Remote pre-conditioning

[Roy124]

Cyker, that start up grumble only occurs as start up revs and fades immediately you apply throttle.  Leaving our house, after 60 yards we reach a junction, the grumble returns until we move off, and that's the last time it is noticeable. 

[TonyHSD]

4 hours ago, Roy124 said:

Cyker, that start up grumble only occurs as start up revs and fades immediately you apply throttle.  Leaving our house, after 60 yards we reach a junction, the grumble returns until we move off, and that's the last time it is noticeable. 

All that noise that you have experienced in 3 cylinders hybrids is also present in all 4 cylinders Toyota hybrids, just less pronounced. It happens when mg1 load the engine to recharge Battery. If you stay long enough without driving off while the car is warming up and at some point the Battery gets fully charged you can notice how the engine gets unloaded and changes it’s nouse and rpm. Then if you continue to stay stationary in ready mode you can also notice that with Battery full engine now is running to discharge it, similar to when going on long downhill, again engine will sound different from the two previous scenarios. I keep my car in ready mode sometimes for hours and these processes repeat infinite times. 👍

The 3 cylinder engines on all car manufacturers sound very similar to me, hybrid or not they always sound the same, the hybrids though add this extra electric element to it from the mg1 which I like a lot. 👌

[RobertR]

Well said. Yes, when the car is recharging the HV Battery stationary ( and on very rare occasions during low-load driving) the noise from the car is quite loud, this little surprised me when a bought the car, But then (when you parked in ready) it shut down the engine for 10 to 20 minutes completely (time varies depending on how hard AC work).

Other than that I'm pleased with the sound coming from the car, Tony is right, toyota 3cylinder sound like any other 3cylinder with balance shafts etc.

You will not change the sound of the engine or any other noises coming from the car. If it's annoying for you, the only solution is to move to another car.

[Jimota]

21 hours ago, ToyotaFan56 said:

Will this work on Design trim 2023 model? It doesn't have the tech pack. 

I have the Design 2023 model and unfortunately it doesn’t have this clever feature.  Not sure if it can be upgraded or indeed controlled with an OBD scanner and diagnostic tool.  Hopefully, someone more knowledgeable than me can give an accurate update.

[Cyker]

12 hours ago, anchorman said:

I think you must have a demic.  All three cylinder engines have a growl under load but there’s no way mine was obnoxious or irritating enough to take an extended way home.  My route home from work has a one mile 1:6 climb and this is where the maximum “flare” is experienced from the engine.  Yes it revs and yes it is intrusive but no more than flooring a diesel in a city car.  It’s quieter still in the cross so I’m more than happy.  I also seem to do rather better than you with the EV mode.  I can drive all round my town on EV and I live in the hills of Derbyshire.   Our engine has a balance node on the front crank pulley.  

 

7 hours ago, Roy124 said:

Cyker, that start up grumble only occurs as start up revs and fades immediately you apply throttle.  Leaving our house, after 60 yards we reach a junction, the grumble returns until we move off, and that's the last time it is noticeable. 

Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear - The noise I'm talking about is not any of those things; Remember I'm a DERV person so the thrum of the 3-pot is actually something quite pleasant to me   I actually quite like the noise it makes when you're giving it the beans, esp. when it switches into Otto-cycle mode  

No, the thing I'm taking about is the horrible sound and vibration you get when a) You are completely stationary and b) The ICE is running to charge the Battery.

At *all* other times, the engine is fine, no complaints - If you're moving at even 1mph then it's much smoother. In fact, if the ICE is running while you are stationary to generate *heat*, but NOT charging the Battery it's *much* smoother and barely audible. I don't think I'd even know it was running if not for the tacho on the HUD!

For some reason it's only that *specific* scenario when it's totally stationary *and* charging that this happens - RobertR understands by the sound of his post!

I don't think any other car has such a marked NVH blip, aside from maybe the original Bluemotion Polo - Even an idling Aygo is much smoother, and an Auris hybrid charging while stationary is also nowhere near as raucous or shakey. 

I'm sure anyone who's been in a Mk4 Yaris and sat in traffic for long time, esp. in summer with the AC on, will have experienced this - You can feel the engine vibrations through the cabin and it's like a knocking/hammering sound!

It's not the end of the world, certainly nowhere near bad enough to change the car over - You'd have to be an idiot to throw away a car that is so engaging to drive, is fast and responsive but can still do 80mpg realistically, can take most other cars off the line easy and looks pretty badass just because it's a bit obnoxious in a specific scenario that can be avoided most of the time.    

 

 

[Roy124]

Cyker, all* other times, the engine is fine, no complaints - If you're moving at even 1mph then it's much smoother. In fact, if the ICE is running while you are stationary to generate *heat*, but NOT charging the Battery. For some reason it's only that *specific* scenario when it's totally stationary *and* charging

That is exactly what I meant

[Primus1]

I must admit to being a little apprehensive regarding the noise the engine and cvt makes, on several reviews I’ve seen, the noise of the cvt/engine is commented on, but I’ve seen others where they said it’s lovely and very refined, I must say I did notice a little more noise on the test drive but nothing really noticeable as such, although it was the AWD version if this makes any difference, I’m hoping it’s ok on the motorway and not too draining on my annual holiday to the south coast ( if I’ve got it by then) .

[Jimota]

I haven’t done much mileage since collecting my car last month and have only driven on the motorway on two occasions during that time.  Due to heavy traffic my trips  were limited to 55mph.  So, I haven’t got anywhere near the 70mph limit and haven’t had a chance to form an opinion on noise levels and general road behaviour at that speed.  Apart from an occasional slight “growl”  the engine on some of the urban and rural roads can be heard but it’s not something that bothers me.  Haven’t experienced any obtrusive sounds from the CVT gearbox   and I’m more than happy with my new best car.

[Cyker]

Aside from that one case I am harping on about, the engine is very well behaved most of the time; In gentle town cruising it's surprisingly tricky to tell whether you're running on electric or the engine, unless you're on an extremely smooth and quiet bit of tarmac.

At motorway speeds, the engine does most of the work but unless you're really giving it some it will stay at around 2000rpm no matter what speed you're doing, so at higher cruising speeds it's actually quieter than my Mk2 or Mk1 were. If you floor it tho it's like doing a mass of down-shifts so the engine will switch to Otto-cycle mode and rev up very sharply and to give you full acceleration and a very (IMHO) nice engine growl  

You'd really need to have a play in one to know if it suits, but the new hybrid drives feel much more responsive and powerful, esp. at high speeds, than the previous gen, even the 1.5 in the Yaris!  

 

[anchorman]

1 hour ago, Primus1 said:

I must admit to being a little apprehensive regarding the noise the engine and cvt makes, on several reviews I’ve seen, the noise of the cvt/engine is commented on, but I’ve seen others where they said it’s lovely and very refined, I must say I did notice a little more noise on the test drive but nothing really noticeable as such, although it was the AWD version if this makes any difference, I’m hoping it’s ok on the motorway and not too draining on my annual holiday to the south coast ( if I’ve got it by then) .

Take no notice, the pair of them are on drugs…. Or they’ve both bought demics.  

[anchorman]

1 hour ago, Jimota said:

I haven’t done much mileage since collecting my car last month and have only driven on the motorway on two occasions during that time.  Due to heavy traffic my trips  were limited to 55mph.  So, I haven’t got anywhere near the 70mph limit and haven’t had a chance to form an opinion on noise levels and general road behaviour at that speed.  Apart from an occasional slight “growl”  the engine on some of the urban and rural roads can be heard but it’s not something that bothers me.  Haven’t experienced any obtrusive sounds from the CVT gearbox   and I’m more than happy with my new best car.

Hallelujah, a normal person.  You didn’t see any psychedelic colours or feel any strange presence???

[Jimota]

We all have our likes, dislikes opinions and even biases but I can now honestly say Toyota has comprehensively ended my love affair with Audi.  However, speaking of a strange presence, I did get that Audi feeling the other day which gave me an incredible urge to tailgate somebody.  😉

[anchorman]

3 minutes ago, Jimota said:

We all have our likes, dislikes opinions and even biases but I can now honestly say Toyota has comprehensively ended my love affair with Audi.  However, speaking of a strange presence, I did get that Audi feeling the other day which gave me an incredible urge to tailgate somebody.  😉

Can I buy your unused indicator bulbs when you swap the Toyota in ten years pls.  

[Jimota]

Thought it wouldn’t be long before someone mentioned Audi indicators.  Might send you a video of me removing the baffles from the Cross exhaust pipe.  Not to increase the noise just to make other road users aware of my presence.

[Primus1]

I was behind an Audi the other day, it indicated to overtake and then indicated again to pull in, all the time it was driven courteously and with care…..I reported it to the police….it was obviously stolen..🤭

[Jimota]

Maybe the driver thought you were the police.  🥹

[davidif]

15 hours ago, Jimota said:

Thought it wouldn’t be long before someone mentioned Audi indicators.  Might send you a video of me removing the baffles from the Cross exhaust pipe.  Not to increase the noise just to make other road users aware of my presence.

And not to forget pulling onto the motorway, straight to the outside lane in the smallest engine'd A3!!

 

[YarisHybrid2016]

On 1/25/2023 at 6:31 PM, Primus1 said:

I must admit to being a little apprehensive regarding the noise the engine and cvt makes, on several reviews I’ve seen, the noise of the cvt/engine is commented on, but I’ve seen others where they said it’s lovely and very refined, I must say I did notice a little more noise on the test drive but nothing really noticeable as such, although it was the AWD version if this makes any difference, I’m hoping it’s ok on the motorway and not too draining on my annual holiday to the south coast ( if I’ve got it by then) .

Ignore the reviewers! British reviewers are obsessed with it as they want to do nothing but promote European junk. I personally love how it works, and consequently, find what little noise there is, mostly satisfying.

I understand the comment on the stationary noise of the engine. What hurts my brain is WHY? Timing? EGR? WHAT IS IT?

[Roy124]

I am no judge of noise but even with my hearing aids I find is quieter than the Corolla.  A little grumble when I start but I need to look at the power meter and cross check with the mpg display to see if the engine is running. 

This month, EV for a third of the distance and half the time has to be quieter than an ICE. 

[Jimota]

There is a slight “growl” at times but doesn’t really bother me.  When I compare the fuel consumption to my last car, the Yaris Cross is in a different league.  Well done Toyota!

 

[RobertR]

well cvt(or ecvt) changes the RPM depending on power demand. In a normal car, you have a set particular gear and if you push the gas pedal down, the engine changes the sound promotion only a little, due to power demand but does not change the rpm of the engine, gradually it will, but connected with the vehicle speed and this confuses lots of people.

It's more noticeable on cvt but this is only a tiny dislike compared to many advantages that come from this drivetrain, like smoothness, perfect engine rpm at any speed and any engine load, and reaction speed. But who drives with full gas daily anyway. Noone normal so you will be ok with the noise. Just try the car on dealership if you want...try little sporty behaviour and also a normal calm drive.

Also it's common to sense a lack of dynamic on this drivetrain but that's purely in our heads, because there is no jerking, shifting gears ... just pure power delivery like on plane liftoff, it just pulls smoothly to the max speed.

I like this powertrain, and the cherry on top is class-leading consumption and reliability.

[TonyHSD]

Absolutely, majority of manual cars drivers aren’t able to drive their cars correctly. All they do is to smash the accelerator and change gears when the rev counter is at the red end, for them that’s the normal driving. All of that become obvious when weather conditions worsen and roads become slippery ☃️😂. 
Toyota hybrids are a smart cars with silky smooth drive and they are loved by the smart people, only hated by the rest not so smart one who think that they know how to drive., but they actually can’t.
Basically if anyone says to me : -“ ooh, I hate these Toyota hybrids and their cvt whining transmission “ , I simply ignore these  people  and if I need to tell anything more I will likely offer them to take  a refresh driving course.

[Simon P Croucher]

I purchased a new 2023 exclusive model Aygo X in February 2023 which states on the TOYOTA website that from this model, basic remote climate control is available and they sent me an email telling me to download the new MyT app and stated “ imagine what it would be like to adjust the cabin temperature, lock / unlock the car, activate the hazard lights all from being tucked up in bed”. I can unlock / lock the car and activate the hazard lights but NOT the climate control. Why ?  
 

Has anyone else got this model and issue ?
 

https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/servicing-and-aftercare/my-toyota/myt-and-connected-services

[xCyanide]

On 1/23/2023 at 11:44 AM, GR Weasel said:

The only models that get this are the Launch/Premier and Excel models since June 2021.  

Just replaced my Launch with a GR sport and it's gone 😞

 

So confused why others are saying design has it too. The dealer said I needs excel AND the upgraded screen but wasnt sure

[Ralph H]

34 minutes ago, xCyanide said:

So confused why others are saying design has it too. The dealer said I needs excel AND the upgraded screen but wasnt sure

Design spec doesn’t have remote start on the 2021 model it was only available on the dynamic and the excel models