Euro 7G Legislation

[Hayzee]

Interesting article regarding the new Euro 7G regulations and PHEV's

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/can-geofencing-save-plug-hybrid

[ernieb]

1 hour ago, Hayzee said:

Interesting article regarding the new Euro 7G regulations and PHEV's

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/business-electric-vehicles/can-geofencing-save-plug-hybrid

I understand what they are aiming this at but for people like me I'd never use the traction Battery for the vast majority of my year's motoring as I'd be unlikely to enter these zones. Talk about 'big brother is watching you' then this is something on another level, someone, somewhere would be able to very accurately pinpoint a particular cars every movement. Massive job creation and an easy target, the motorist, when the major impacts on the environment go un legislated. 

Is the UK still bound by EU regulations in respect of cars?

 

[Yugguy1970]

 

21 minutes ago, ernieb said:

Is the UK still bound by EU regulations in respect of cars?

I think we'll probably follow a lot of them as it makes it easier to trade and easier for producers.

Also I think the point is that although in longer trips you are being hybrid, the car should be configured to maintain charge in the Battery to be able to EV it in these zones.

[NASY]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Most people should see the sense in not polluting highly populated areas, gassing kids on the school run with a diesel Range Rover running at idle whilst mummy reminds them to eat their healthy snacks at the right time and dispose of the biodegradable packaging in the correct manner to save the environment.

[Roy124]

2 hours ago, Yugguy1970 said:

 

Also I think the point is that although in longer trips you are being hybrid, the car should be configured to maintain charge in the battery to be able to EV it in these zones.

And therein lies the catch.  My BiL has a Ford Kuga that can manage 55 miles. For a local trip that means he can be EV all the time.  But if he is doing a longer journey he could use all his EV capability and some regeneration, but suddenly hit a congestion zone.  

Or he might conserve Battery unnecessarily. 

[Flatcoat]

2 hours ago, NASY said:

Sounds like a good idea to me. Most people should see the sense in not polluting highly populated areas, gassing kids on the school run with a diesel Range Rover running at idle whilst mummy reminds them to eat their healthy snacks at the right time and dispose of the biodegradable packaging in the correct manner to save the environment.

 No, because the next step is controlling what, when and where you are allowed to drive, his many cars etc etc etc. As with Oxfords 15 minute neighbourhoods such controlling nonsense has to be stopped before it gets out of hand being imposed by unelected technocrats and officials telling you they know best how you should live YOUR life. It’s called freedom and choice - and for anyone with a short memory, when the Berlin Wall came down the rush was from east restrictions to west freedoms. It is a very fundamental principal at stake and if allowed to take hold, we will regret the consequences. 
 

To add to this wider issue of EU7 standards- car manufacturers are seething at the lack of consultation and costs they will add to the price of a car. The heads of Toyota and Stellantis are already and publicly expressing concern the price of new cars will end up such they once again become rich man’s toys. That will lead to mass social unrest when car factories close and unemployment rockets as economies tank. No one thinks through unintended consequences anymore - good intentions they may be but all that does is create paving material for the road to hell. 

[Roy124]

Flatcoat, it is not unelected officials you have to fear but unthinking elected councillors bent on making their mark. 

As a rule, many county councillors are practically there for life. Some councils do change political flavour with the biannual elections for some seats. However, many once elected remain as permanent fixtures, the devil you know situation. 

Often unopposed they sit with no manifesto and rubber stamp what officials present as 'a fashionable' idea. 

I am on a parish council.  The majority are unelected and some have been on the council for years.  Few parishioners bother to attend meetings. 

[nlee]

On the face of it, it seems fanciful and completely unworkable. "The car will come to a halt after 5km". What happens next if there is no Battery charge? Does a big dirty diesel recovery truck come and tow you out of the zone? Many PHEVs are not blessed with the range of ours, some reporting as little as 16-18 miles in winter. That might not be enough to drive into a zone and back out without running out of juice. There would be a lot of abandoned PHEVs on the streets and a upturn in the recovery truck business!

Surely a more logical development would be for some sort of signal from the car to the cameras/sensors to demonstrate whether it was in EV or ICE and charge a fee in the same way as a petrol vehicle if the engine is being used. It would be drivers incentive then to keep enough charge for use in the zone which would likely have the same impact. Is it basically saying you could drive in a zone and pay the fee in a petrol or diesel car but a PHEV would be rendered unusable? Sounds like waffle to me.

In any case, anything that relies on GPS in the way it's implemented in the journey logs and "find my car" and the car is likely to come to a halt anywhere in the country about 3 days later! 😂

[Flatcoat]

2 hours ago, Roy124 said:

Flatcoat, it is not unelected officials you have to fear but unthinking elected councillors bent on making their mark. 

As a rule, many county councillors are practically there for life. Some councils do change political flavour with the biannual elections for some seats. However, many once elected remain as permanent fixtures, the devil you know situation. 

Often unopposed they sit with no manifesto and rubber stamp what officials present as 'a fashionable' idea. 

I am on a parish council.  The majority are unelected and some have been on the council for years.  Few parishioners bother to attend meetings. 

I know - I worked 12 years for a council that was and is in effect a one party state. But there were also officers pushing their own agenda’s including anti car ideas that politicians were increasingly signing up to. 

[Hayzee]

On a tangent.....I think we shouldn't forget the advantageous tax treatment that PHEV business users enjoy in the UK, even though the vast majority hardly ever run their vehicles in EV mode. Surely a loophole soon to be closed?

[Roy124]

5 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

I know - I worked 12 years for a council that was and is in effect a one party state. But there were also officers pushing their own agenda’s including anti car ideas that politicians were increasingly signing up to. 

I admit to being confused between the elected leader of the council and the selected chief executive. In our previous district council at least 2 departed in interesting circumstances.

In our present district the CEO was a member of our Rotary Club for a time.  He actually lived in the next county and commuted by train each day.  He suddenly departed as well.  The reason was a disagreement with the council leader.

I think It is little different from a minister of state and their civil service neddy.  Calling them CEOs OTOH sort of makes them seeing special.

[NASY]

Okay so I still think the idea of controlling pollution in highly populated areas is a good thing and gentle nudges won't get the job done. I never realised how much thought existed of nanny state as a relevance to the actuality of how real life is conducted. 

[Cyker]

The problem is it's going to cost us all a metric boatload of money, but I'm very skeptical the benefit will be of comparable size, especially after the revelations of how much the ULEZ has cost to implement (hundreds of millions) vs the reduction in emissions achieved (negligible).

To cap it off, the really really stupid and ironic thing about all of this is that encouraging everyone to buy new EVs is creating *more* pollution and emissions, not less!!! Especially as they have to change cars again when they discover how unfit for purpose the one they originally bought was...

But each new vehicle sold nets them that sweet sweet tax revenue.

Every time they force a new initiative on us I increasingly feel that they're less about the environment and more about screwing increasing amounts of money out of people...

[Flatcoat]

Just now, Cyker said:

The problem is it's going to cost us all a metric boatload of money, but I'm very skeptical the benefit will be of comparable size, especially after the revelations of how much the ULEZ has cost to implement (hundreds of millions) vs the reduction in emissions achieved (negligible).

To cap it off, the really really stupid and ironic thing about all of this is that encouraging everyone to buy new EVs is creating *more* pollution and emissions, not less!!! Especially as they have to change cars again when they discover how unfit for purpose the one they originally bought was...

But each new vehicle sold nets them that sweet sweet tax revenue.

Every time they force a new initiative on us I increasingly feel that they're less about the environment and more about !Removed! increasing amounts of money out of people...

And controlling our decisions that are, or should be none of their bleeping business. Good to see some councils are refusing Kahn’s ULEZ control cameras.