Whats wrong with the mk4 Yaris?

[davidif]

16 hours ago, forkingabout said:

As a person that rarely carries more the one passenger or luggage a Yaris is the perfect size vehicle for me.

Reasons I didn't even bother to test drive one when I was looking for a replacement vehicle where:

I don't like where it's built.

I don't like 3 cylinder engines.

I don't like the fact the UK get stiffed on available trim, equipment & options.

My choices came down to C-HR with back up option of Corolla if a C-HR didn't fit in the garage, luckily it does.

I'd be interested to hear why you think that a CH-R (made , I believe, in Turkey) would be any better or worse than a French built Yaris?

 

[Jimota]

15 hours ago, anchorman said:

Not bad if you put LEDs in but it only caters for the privileged front passengers.   

Which type of replacement bulbs did you use Don?

[forkingabout]

24 minutes ago, davidif said:

I'd be interested to hear why you think that a CH-R (made , I believe, in Turkey) would be any better or worse than a French built Yaris?

 

C-HR for European market is indeed built in Turkey.

I've previously owned several French built vehicles from a French owned company & I just don't want another vehicle built in France.

There are other reasons why but I won't discuss them on here.

[anchorman]

7 minutes ago, Jimota said:

Which type of replacement bulbs did you use Don?

They were these Jim although they don’t seem to be available at the moment from my seller.   They are very high colour temp which matches the blue interior light bulbs. Also vastly improves the boot light and they fade nicely too.  You will think you’re going to break the light as it’s quite tight.  I made a little vid somewhere, maybe Cyker has got it?

[Jimota]

Yes, I’d like a look at it.  Over to Cyker if you please.

[anchorman]

5 minutes ago, Jimota said:

Yes, I’d like a look at it.  Over to Cyker if you please.

Don’t know why I haven’t got it, I must have deleted it.  If Cyker can’t find it I’ll do another at weekend.

[Jimota]

Thanks, much obliged Don.

[Jasper.]

If I remember correctly it was under the thread of 'Yaris cross side bars' ?

[Cyker]

Look I'm not bookmarking everything anchs does! That other thread was just a one-off!

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It's just a freak coincidence I also had this thread bookmarked!

 

 

[jerry123]

22 hours ago, Jimota said:

I take your point Jerry.  Initially I looked at EVs but quickly came to the conclusion that they weren’t for me so self charging hybrids were the next the next thing to look at.  I have to confess that moving from an Audi ICE to a a Toyota Hybrid was a big step as I was loyal to the Audi/VW brand for over 30 years.  I’m certain that I’ve made a sound decision and am perfectly happy with my Yaris Cross Design model.  Yes, there are some issues with the 12v batteries but my car has behaved impeccably even in the extreme temperatures between -10 and -12 degrees.  The more I understand about Toyota self charging cars the more confident I feel about their overall performance and reliability.  You raise another good point about supply issues and I don’t think I would wait 7 months for delivery of a new car again.  I’m now thinking seriously of keeping my car and taking out the 10 year Toyota warranty rather than trading it in for another new car in 2-3 years time.  Good luck in your search for a new vehicle or retaining the existing car.

I was considering a full EV but came to the conclusion that the charging infrastucture in the UK isn't there yet and at the moment there isn't a great deal of chioce of EV cars out there for less than 30 grand. I feel that once more manufacturers get EVs to the market then the vehicle cost should drop due to more competition.

[Jimota]

15 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Look I'm not bookmarking everything anchs does! That other thread was just a one-off!

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It's just a freak coincidence I also had this thread bookmarked!

 

 

Many thanks to you Cyker, Anchorman and not forgetting Mrs Anchorman for the pictures and video.  However, when it comes to prizing off plastic components, I’m a bit ham fisted and have a nasty habit of breaking these things too easily.  I’ll have a close look at the interior and boot lights before I commit myself to using a blunt screwdriver or other suitable implement

[jerry123]

22 hours ago, Max_Headroom said:

There isn't "an issue to be ironed out" drive the car every 3 or 4 days and you will have many years of problem free and inexpensive motoring why would you buy an ICE car because of a few negative articles as you can see from the threads here its those that park the car for weeks at a time that are having issues if this is what you intend to do instead of driving the thing an ICE car is probably the thing for you.

The car is more for my wife to use rather than me, I ride a motorcycle for commuting. My wife works in a school so takes the same holiday as the school kids pretty much and that means the car would be sat at home for quite long periods during school holidays.

[Jimota]

Last request on this subject.  If possible, could you give me the make and product number of the bulbs please and where best to purchase them.
 

[Cyker]

4 minutes ago, jerry123 said:

I was considering a full EV but came to the conclusion that the charging infrastucture in the UK isn't there yet and at the moment there isn't a great deal of chioce of EV cars out there for less than 30 grand. I feel that once more manufacturers get EVs to the market then the vehicle cost should drop due to more competition.

I'm waiting for one that's Yaris-sized but can do 300 miles in winter at 70mph. I want to minimize the number of times I have to use public chargers as they're just going to get more and more expensive, and rapid charging all the time will shorten the life of the Battery.

300 miles would be about enough for almost all of my regular round trips at 80% charge, with enough reserve to not strand me during Surprise! motorway closure detours.

[jerry123]

23 hours ago, Cyker said:

If you don't need to I wouldn't bother as it's still not a great time to buy a car; Used prices are still high despite the press' bizarro world reports of them coming down, and new cars are going up and they have a long lead time due to the global supply chain still being messed up.

I have new Mk4, and it's awesome, but given a choice I would have kept my old Mk1 diesel if it wasn't for KHAAAAAN and his ULEZ. My original plan was to run it into the ground (The Mk1 D4Ds are pretty much indestructible and the last generation of reliable diesels before they started bolting on emissions control junk that killed their reliability), while saving for a suitable EV replacement, but I'm a lot more pessimistic about EVs at the moment and, unless an incredible breakthrough in battery tech hits the market soon, I'm not hopeful anything suitable for my usecase will hit the market this side of 2030...

 

When I bought my Yaris during the summer I traded in my Ford Puma, the Toyota dealer did give me a good price for the Puma I will admit. Unfortunately I had to return the Yaris 5 days later, the dealer reimbursed me my deposit and all but I lost the Puma on the trade so I had to quickly find an automatic car on the cheap in order for my wife to get to work and back so ended up buying a 2006 Suzuki Alto (don't laugh). It's an ok little car but not what you would call ideal, ok for local commuting but that's about it

[jerry123]

22 hours ago, Mojo1010 said:

You had a damaged car, didn't say what the damage is. The MK4 Yaris in my opinion is the number 1 in its segment of supermini. The dealer should have fix the car for you, so it's their fault. Every car can have problem, just the Yaris mk4 have very few. My MK3 is at 6.5 years, zero problem, am moving on to the MK4 by the autumn. 

The Yaris that I bought was a showroom car so I didn't have to wait long before I could have it, about one months wait. I checked the car out when it was in the dealers showroom and there wasn't a mark on it so I sat down with the salesman and we 'did the deal'. When I collected the car there was a dent in the rear offside passenger door and a large scratch on the drivers door just above the door handle. When myself and my wife collected the car it was draped in a big red 'reveal' sheet,  after the salesman removed the sheet I looked around the car and spotted the damage, the salesman claimed that he didn't realise the damage was there but if a car goes through a P.D.I then this sort of thing should be spotted and the salesman made aware. I strongly believe that he did know the damage was there and if I hadn't had noticed it then he would of let me drive the car away. I was buying the car for my wife to use and she was very disapointed. The dealer did offer to have the car repaired but unfortunately the salesman whom I was dealing with came across as a bit of a 'slimy' git and when myself and my wife went to look at buying a Yaris in the first instance he claimed extremely exaggerated fuel efficiency figures of 105mpg which I took with a pinch of salt, Toyota's own website state a max figure of 68.8 officially! I declined the dealers offer to 'repair' the Yaris and terminted my contract with Toyota only five days in. I felt extremely let down by this very large and well known dealer network in the south of England and to be honest I've recieved better treatment from used car dealers in the past.

[jerry123]

31 minutes ago, Cyker said:

I'm waiting for one that's Yaris-sized but can do 300 miles in winter at 70mph. I want to minimize the number of times I have to use public chargers as they're just going to get more and more expensive, and rapid charging all the time will shorten the life of the battery.

300 miles would be about enough for almost all of my regular round trips at 80% charge, with enough reserve to not strand me during Surprise! motorway closure detours.

Maybe I should be looking at EV's in more of a save the planet kind of way, but as things are going financially it doesn't make a great deal of sense going electric. You're going to have to buy a road fund license for the things soon and as you you rightly say public charging isn't cheap.

[Cyker]

The irony there is getting a new EV is actually worse for the environment than getting a second-hand car! Even with the higher pollution of an ICE car, it could take something like 5-10 years for the environmental footprint of making the EV in the first place to be off-set vs the ICE car.

EV's are good in a very narrow use case - If you can charge at home and your 90% driving cycle round trip is within the range of the EV, then it's a no brainer; Running costs will be super low and it will be very convenient.

Outside that, things aren't as great. The higher cost will take a long time to offset; Before everything went crazy, I worked out a Hyundai Kona (The most efficient EV at the time, and I think still is!) would need more than 10 years to break even with my Mk1 Yaris diesel. Against my Mk4 Yaris hybrid, I don't think it would ever break even within the lifetime of the car.

 

[TonyHSD]

Honestly, you just been unlucky with this particular car and dealer ( sales person). These events are very frustrating but should not put you off trying again another Toyota from a different dealer.
Yaris or Yaris cross are the best small cars with automatic transmission because of the hybrid system. 
Many people doesn’t care about technical stuff under bonnet but once you have try a Toyota hybrid, you will  like it and you won’t want to have anything else.
Forget about electric cars unless you live in central London.
Also if you buy privately with intention to keep the car for long, these cars from a liability while still under any financial deal quickly become an asset once been paid off. They will continue to serve you for many more years to come without breaking the bank and need to upgrade. No drama, enjoyable drive for life. The only place you will visit is the petrol station and a garage once a year for a service and mot. This is why Toyota cars been called boring by many people, but I love my boring old Toyota that continues to travel through the uk motorway network every day again and again. 🛣🏎🏁

[Mojo1010]

1 hour ago, Cyker said:

I'm waiting for one that's Yaris-sized but can do 300 miles in winter at 70mph. I want to minimize the number of times I have to use public chargers as they're just going to get more and more expensive, and rapid charging all the time will shorten the life of the battery.

300 miles would be about enough for almost all of my regular round trips at 80% charge, with enough reserve to not strand me during Surprise! motorway closure detours.

Yaris size with a 300 mile range at 70mph in the winter? You must be one of those silly old fools huh 

[Rhymes with Paris]

24 minutes ago, jerry123 said:

The Yaris that I bought was a showroom car so I didn't have to wait long before I could have it, about one months wait. I checked the car out when it was in the dealers showroom and there wasn't a mark on it so I sat down with the salesman and we 'did the deal'. When I collected the car there was a dent in the rear offside passenger door and a large scratch on the drivers door just above the door handle. When myself and my wife collected the car it was draped in a big red 'reveal' sheet,  after the salesman removed the sheet I looked around the car and spotted the damage, the salesman claimed that he didn't realise the damage was there but if a car goes through a P.D.I then this sort of thing should be spotted and the salesman made aware. I strongly believe that he did know the damage was there and if I hadn't had noticed it then he would of let me drive the car away. I was buying the car for my wife to use and she was very disapointed. The dealer did offer to have the car repaired but unfortunately the salesman whom I was dealing with came across as a bit of a 'slimy' git and when myself and my wife went to look at buying a Yaris in the first instance he claimed extremely exaggerated fuel efficiency figures of 105mpg which I took with a pinch of salt, Toyota's own website state a max figure of 68.8 officially! I declined the dealers offer to 'repair' the Yaris and terminted my contract with Toyota only five days in. I felt extremely let down by this very large and well known dealer network in the south of England and to be honest I've recieved better treatment from used car dealers in the past.

Encountering a slimy git car salesman who lies through his teeth, even if he knows enough about the car he is flogging to lie about it,is unfortunately par for the course from what I see,hear, and have experienced.

Good on you for having a good look and spotting the damage before you were landed with the problem.

I think it is common for dealers to damage cars in their care through carelessness and sheer incompetence in doing the simplest things, like driving them from one side of the compound to the other.

Having said that, I realise that somewhere out there is an honest, straightforward salesman in a good dealership, that cares about a customer that pays their wages.

Maybe they can be found with the unicorns in magic laa laa land.

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

9 hours ago, flash22 said:

lets compare new registrations like for like models

Honda jazz, 2021-22, 577 registrations

Renault Clio, 2021-22, 66 registrations

Yaris Mk4 Excel 2021-22, 2891 registrations

Based on Q3 2022 data

Based on the sales figures, perhaps the topic subject should be "Whats wrong with the Jazz and the Clio?"

[Jimota]

I moved from a 4 bedroomed house with a fairly big garage and downsized to a 2 bedroomed new build flat some 4 years ago.  As my children flew the coop, my wife and I are delighted with our new location in a village that has plenty of amenities and suits our needs.  If I was still living in my old house, I wouldn’t have any hesitation in buying an EV car as overnight  charging would not be a problem and my mileage has reduced dramatically since I retired.  Unfortunately, my new location has no nearby access to an EV charge point so that’s why I took the self charging hybrid route.  We seem to be fixated about charging points but surely the boffins can come up with a small detachable Battery that can be removed from the car and wheeled on a small trolley to your desired flat or dwelling and connect it up with a 13 amp socket.  Sounds a bit like the Jetsons.

 

 

[Eddie G]

1 hour ago, jerry123 said:

The Yaris that I bought was a showroom car so I didn't have to wait long before I could have it, about one months wait. I checked the car out when it was in the dealers showroom and there wasn't a mark on it so I sat down with the salesman and we 'did the deal'. When I collected the car there was a dent in the rear offside passenger door and a large scratch on the drivers door just above the door handle. When myself and my wife collected the car it was draped in a big red 'reveal' sheet,  after the salesman removed the sheet I looked around the car and spotted the damage, the salesman claimed that he didn't realise the damage was there but if a car goes through a P.D.I then this sort of thing should be spotted and the salesman made aware. I strongly believe that he did know the damage was there and if I hadn't had noticed it then he would of let me drive the car away. I was buying the car for my wife to use and she was very disapointed. The dealer did offer to have the car repaired but unfortunately the salesman whom I was dealing with came across as a bit of a 'slimy' git and when myself and my wife went to look at buying a Yaris in the first instance he claimed extremely exaggerated fuel efficiency figures of 105mpg which I took with a pinch of salt, Toyota's own website state a max figure of 68.8 officially! I declined the dealers offer to 'repair' the Yaris and terminted my contract with Toyota only five days in. I felt extremely let down by this very large and well known dealer network in the south of England and to be honest I've recieved better treatment from used car dealers in the past.

Draped in a big red reveal sheet! did the sales person think it was a Ferrari 😂 luckily my last two Toyota's have been with a fair sales person who was not full of the brown stuff but rather keen on selling extras, like GAP and Paint Protection.

[Jimota]

I once got a great deal from an Audi dealership in Carlisle which was £2500 cheaper than any of the local dealers in Glasgow and surrounding areas.  I was treated like royalty on the day and my wife was very impressed when they removed the velvet cover and revealed a beautiful Audi Q2 with a massive ruby red rosette placed on the bonnet.  Lots of freebies were thrown in and I drove back to Glasgow quite contented.  Took a detour through the town of Ecclefechan and stopped for a coffee.  That’s when I discovered they had forgotten to put the spare wheel and jack in the boot.  Quick phone call to highlight the problem and much to their credit a really friendly member of their staff drove up to my house in Scotland the very next day and dropped off the missing items.  That was a round trip of nearly 200 miles.      Great service.