Whats wrong with the mk4 Yaris?

[Cyker]

9 minutes ago, jerry123 said:

You're right the OP didn't have any mechanical issues with the Yaris but I must admit that if I had read some of the posts on this forum before purchasing the car I would have been more apprehensive. I've read comments on here about putting the Yaris on trickle charge if you are not going to use it for a few days, that just seems a bit crazy to me. If you are buying a brand new car you shouldn't have to do things like that, previously I had been buying Fords and never encountered any such issues.

You'd be right to, but that's the thing - For most of us, we aren't having any problems; I leave mine sat for up to 2 weeks a time during a lot of the school holidays and it's never even given any inkling that it wouldn't start - Always come on straight away.

It's been such a non-problem for me I don't even have a portable jump starter pack!

It's all about use - if you use it regularly it'll be fine, but if you don't that's when trouble can rear its ugly head.

TBH, if you're not going to use it regularly, there are less expensive cars that will also be less prone to this issue - The Yaris Hybrid is *really* expensive for what it is, and if it's not going to be used regularly it doesn't make economic sense to get one (Although if the cost isn't an issue and you just want a fun car that is still cheap to run then it still makes sense  )

 

[flash22]

Have you seen the amount of red tape it takes to get one installed on a public highway

[TonyHSD]

3 minutes ago, Cyker said:

You'd be right to, but that's the thing - For most of us, we aren't having any problems; I leave mine sat for up to 2 weeks a time during a lot of the school holidays and it's never even given any inkling that it wouldn't start - Always come on straight away.

It's been such a non-problem for me I don't even have a portable jump starter pack!

It's all about use - if you use it regularly it'll be fine, but if you don't that's when trouble can rear its ugly head.

TBH, if you're not going to use it regularly, there are less expensive cars that will also be less prone to this issue - The Yaris Hybrid is *really* expensive for what it is, and if it's not going to be used regularly it doesn't make economic sense to get one (Although if the cost isn't an issue and you just want a fun car that is still cheap to run then it still makes sense  )

 

Indeed. Dacia Sandero comes to my mind 👌

[Mojo1010]

37 minutes ago, Cyker said:

You'd be right to, but that's the thing - For most of us, we aren't having any problems; I leave mine sat for up to 2 weeks a time during a lot of the school holidays and it's never even given any inkling that it wouldn't start - Always come on straight away.

Ya silly old fool, your car is like less than 2 years old, mine is 6.5. I don't carry anything other than a silly punchline....oh even that I copied from some gentleman. 

[Cyker]

Bah, fine! Well... My old Mk1 Yaris diesel had a Battery that was something like 10 years old and it still started the car fine, even in winter - Does that count?    (It was quite a beefy Battery for a Yaris tho'; They always over-spec them for diesels!)

 

[Dala]

when the car was parked for several weeks no one provided proof of Battery voltage
then the error would be better evaluated
answers: I started the car / I didn't start the car
they are useless

[flash22]

Voltage is meaningless, without knowing the current draw under load, the DCM is the main culprit for current draw on the Mk4

[Dala]

do you mean bad connection?
DCM constantly looking for a mobile connection to the Toyota satellite?
yes, this could drain the car Battery

interesting from the Sienna manual:

 

[flash22]

The DCM has a few issues, including the DCM paging the cell when it should be sleeping, i posted the info but i can't remember where

[Max_Headroom]

On 1/24/2023 at 7:19 PM, flash22 said:

Have you seen the amount of red tape it takes to get one installed on a public highway

Councils will have to encourage them as we move to EV's not make it difficult for us too charge them.

[flash22]

52 minutes ago, Max_Headroom said:

Councils will have to encourage them as we move to EV's not make it difficult for us too charge them.

Sorry PMSL do you know how hard it is to get the council to sign off on anything, let alone getting the Highways, DNO and contractors organized

The domestic DNO infrastructure is no way up to the task in any area that wasn't built in the last 5 years for any amount of mass EV charging

you be lucky to pull 4-8kw

[Jimota]

My local council installed 9 EV points in a public car park in a nearby town over 2 years ago.  They haven’t worked since that time and rumour has it they were fitted with the wrong type of cable.  Good news though, workmen were seen digging holes last week and someone wearing a suit and carrying a clip board was seen looking into them.  Fills you with confidence doesn’t it.

[Max_Headroom]

10 hours ago, flash22 said:

Sorry PMSL do you know how hard it is to get the council to sign off on anything, let alone getting the Highways, DNO and contractors organized

As I said the thing that is going to hold back EV sales in the future is going to be on street charging if you think  local councils are going to be allowed to put a huge hurdle in the way of those wanting to buy one who don't have off street parking  by blocking companies like the one I linked to installing chargers and the supply to them (did you actually watch thr video) you need to take your head for a wobble. 

[TonyHSD]

I have seen few street charging points in London taken by non electric cars. This is also a thing that needs to be dealt with. At some private place block of flats there is a charger that often gets blocked by ice car drivers and when ask them to park at different spot they become nasty and ready to argue and fight, seems like many people hate evs plus perhaps the fact it’s !Removed! London 😂👍

[Cyker]

The problem is parking is already scarce in London, and a lot of us are a bit aggrieved where existing parking spaces are taken away from general use in areas where there is already inadequate parking, and given to EVs, esp. when they're empty 90% of the time.

Like, why can't they put them in CPZs that have plenty of parking space, instead of doing it to unrestricted parking areas that are already over-subscribed due to people being pushed out of the CPZs??

 

[Max_Headroom]

55 minutes ago, Cyker said:

The problem is parking is already scarce in London, and a lot of us are a bit aggrieved where existing parking spaces are taken away from general use in areas where there is already inadequate parking, and given to EVs, esp. when they're empty 90% of the time.

 

As it says below 32.9% of all car sales in 2022 were EV its not going to be many years  before those charging points are in regular use.

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In December 2022 EVs made up as much as 32.9% of new car registrations.10 Jan 2023

 

[Cyker]

40 minutes ago, Max_Headroom said:

As it says below 32.9% of all car sales in 2022 were EV its not going to be many years  before those charging points are in regular use.

Turns out that statistic is a deception - It's just manufacturers trying to bring their fleet-average CO2 rating down to avoid EU fines.

That's why it always happens in December, but no other months.

See:

 

[Max_Headroom]

To put it another way, if the take up of EV carries on at the rate from 2000 to 2022 below those charging points are going to be busy in the not too distant future - 

How many electric cars are there in the UK?

The chart below shows the number of electric cars registered in the UK – as of the end of December 2022 there were more than 660,000 battery-electric cars.

More than 265,000 battery-electric cars were registered in 2022, a growth of 40% on 2021.

Cumulative number of battery-electric cars in the UK (2016 to date)

 

[Cyker]

That's assuming it's working, which from what I've seen is unlikely...

... so it's more likely for the majority of the time it'll be a wasted space that nobody can use in an area that is already starved for parking space.

But you're missing the point - If they're going to be dedicated EV-only spaces, they should deploy them in areas that have lots of spare space like CPZs, not put them in places where there already isn't enough parking for normal cars. If they mass deploy them and have them as shared space then fair enough, but at the moment the choice of dedicated single-bay charge locations is just to benefit a tiny minority and screw over everyone else and frankly I don't think our tax money should be used like that.

 

[Jimota]

I’m not afraid of change or rapid advancements in technology, in fact I’m now more attuned and enthusiastic towards developing engineering and electronic objectives than I was in my younger years.  However, coming up with new concepts and ideas may be difficult but it’s always more challenging to turn them into practical and achievable realities.  The EV debate on this forum has come up with a wide range of viewpoints, some for, some against, but change will definitely affect us all and I always like to use the old adage “Adapt or Die”.

Despite being in my late sixties my wife still refers to me as “Mr Gadget Man”.  In addition to my love of motoring I am a very enthusiastic cook and have every expensive culinary gizmo under the sun.  If James Martin has it, I have to have it.  Technology rules!

Any request for recipes will gladly be accepted for a a small cover charge.

[Yugguy1970]

I'm not against new, but new has to be better.  Too much new is just new for the sake of it.

[Jimota]

43 minutes ago, Cyker said:

That's assuming it's working, which from what I've seen is unlikely...

... so it's more likely for the majority of the time it'll be a wasted space that nobody can use in an area that is already starved for parking space.

But you're missing the point - If they're going to be dedicated EV-only spaces, they should deploy them in areas that have lots of spare space like CPZs, not put them in places where there already isn't enough parking for normal cars. If they mass deploy them and have them as shared space then fair enough, but at the moment the choice of dedicated single-bay charge locations is just to benefit a tiny minority and screw over everyone else and frankly I don't think our tax money should be used like that.

 

Great video Cyker.  It highlights my previous point that the difference between concept and reality can be worlds apart.

[Jimota]

18 minutes ago, Yugguy1970 said:

I'm not against new, but new has to be better.  Too much new is just new for the sake of it.

Another great point.  The organisation that I worked for were renowned buying out of date and in some cases not fully tested technologies that only caused you more work with less favourable outcomes.

[Dexter290]

On 1/25/2023 at 10:35 PM, Jimota said:

My local council installed 9 EV points in a public car park in a nearby town over 2 years ago.  They haven’t worked since that time and rumour has it they were fitted with the wrong type of cable.  Good news though, workmen were seen digging holes last week and someone wearing a suit and carrying a clip board was seen looking into them.  Fills you with confidence doesn’t it.

Obviously wasn't in Spain or there would have been at least 5 men looking into the hole.

[Cyker]

45 minutes ago, Jimota said:

Great video Cyker.  It highlights my previous point that the difference between concept and reality can be worlds apart.

Yeah it really sucks; New chargers are being installed all over the place daily and if you take the figures at face value the future of EVs looks bright, but if you look into it more you find nobody seems to be maintaining the old ones so the actual number of available chargers is going up much slower than numbers would suggest; It feels like the old ones are going off-line almost as fast as they're installing new ones!

This is why I prefer the idea of them being installed in an actual place where they can be supervised and have some sort of on-site maintenance - Street chargers will never be looked after. Local councils can't even keep on top of repairing potholes so I can't see them coping with chargers too.

The worst thing is these chargers are supposed to report back if they have a fault but either that system is completely broken or the people who're running it don't care and are just ignoring them.

The people running these things are reacting very slowly or don't care; Even supermarkets realized very quickly they needed at least one full-time person to supervise the 'self-serve' checkouts because they kept going wrong. I remember initially hardly anyone used them because they'd mess something up which would brick the checkout, or trigger some lockout due to it thinking you're trying to not pay for something etc. Now, there's usually more people using them than the normal checkouts! (And the poor supervisor is constantly running to-and-fro resetting terminals and overriding warnings  )

But with the majority of chargers, there's nobody.

This is partly why I want my 300+ miles real range - I want as little to do with the public charging system as possible because even if they get their act together I know what's going to happen with the costs once ICE stops competing (Hint - It's only going one way). If 99% of my journey round-trips can be done on a single charge in something the size of a Yaris (And I can actually charge it at home, which is a whole 'nother problem!) then I'm in! But until then, my Mk4 is going to very hard to beat!