Tyre Life (17" Falken)

[Cyker]

Hah I used to play that game with dealer servicing too; Now I just tell the service rep to add a note to the docket saying Don't Change The Tyre Pressures! and most of the time they leave them...

 

 

[bigblock]

1 hour ago, Tech429 said:

Interesting to know what the average cross-tyre wear is.

My last hybrid i had correct PSI and they wear on outer edges on all four tyres.  So on new set of tyres i upped the PSI to 3 or 4 PSI more - and had even wear throught.

On the Corolla I have noticed on correct PSI the outer edges wearing more again - so after my 10k service the technicians lowered the PSI to correct - and I put more back in to ensure even tyre wear.

I always use the recommended PSI as a guide. Then see how the tyres are wearing and then tweak the PSI accordingly. It takes a few thousand miles to get it just right but you can get the maximum out of the tyres depending on your driving style. Also it's a balance with ride comfort as well. The ride might be too soft or hard with tyres wearing evenly. A bit of a black art really.

[TonyHSD]

Agreed with Michael, I do exactly the same but usually stay close to the manufacturer recommended as basically they had tested this for us.
I also tend to put a tiny bit more psi just to be on the safe side and the fact that I am driving at night when temperatures are usually lower than daytime. 
I have seen on my gf car for a first time what means over inflated tyres wear on the central tread, it is 4-4.5mm after 10k miles mostly city driving where sides are around 6mm. Town drive with a lots of turns, start and stops plus roundabouts and wrong pressures are important factors in regards to tyre wear. Motorways and easy negotiations with turns and roundabouts help a lot extend the tyre life but also the suspension and wheel bearings life too. 

[bigblock]

Yes. That's what I mean by a tweak. Always stay close to the recommended PSI. Just 2 or 3 lbs either side of recommended can make a differance. It depends on what brand of tyre you have as well. The Falkens always seem to wear quicker in the middle compared to the Bridgestones and Goodyears I have had on other cars. But then no two cars are the same anyway. 

[YarisHybrid2016]

BEWARE ROTATION DIRECTION!

Swapping same side is OK (swap front/rear), but diagonal swap is NOT OK! It causes the wheel to rotate in the opposite direction and may be backwards for the tyre!!

I run my fronts 2 psi over book (37 vs. 35) and they wear evenly. Rear I run at high load figure (35 psi). Rear wear very well.

I have never rotated tyres. Replace front when worn (as a pair), and put rears on front, and new tyres on rear.

[TonyHSD]

5 hours ago, YarisHybrid2016 said:

BEWARE ROTATION DIRECTION!

Swapping same side is OK (swap front/rear), but diagonal swap is NOT OK! It causes the wheel to rotate in the opposite direction and may be backwards for the tyre!!

I run my fronts 2 psi over book (37 vs. 35) and they wear evenly. Rear I run at high load figure (35 psi). Rear wear very well.

I have never rotated tyres. Replace front when worn (as a pair), and put rears on front, and new tyres on rear.

Actually diagonal swap it’s perfectly fine and also recommended by the manufacturer and their oem tyres which aren’t directional but has markings “Outside “ on the outer wall. This means that once the tyre is mounted correctly onto the wheel it doesn’t matter which side of the vehicle will be placed the tyre will always rotate in the correct direction. 
Most winter and all season tyres that had V shaped tread pattern can not be diagonally rotate because of what you have described. 
These can not be diagonally swapped Goodyear vector 4 season 

 

And these Goodyear efficient grip performance 2 can be rotated on any corner of the car. 👌

 

[Chriss27]

Just rotated my Falkens there was 5mm at back and 4mm at front. Mileage 10500

[Gray86]

Yesterday I had 4 new Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2 fitted, with Falkens sitting around 2-3mm at 20,400 miles when removed. The difference is night & day - much quieter, much more comfortable (ride quality) and they look good on the wheels too (flat faced, rather than rounded). I’m very very pleased so far (100 miles in). 
 

a slight worry was my tyre fitter said that Goodyear & Dunlop are prone to cracking on the tread blocks. Will see how we get on. . 

[Tomv]

Still have 5mm on my OEM Falkens after 28 000km but I am not happy with them, thinking about replacement for MICHELIN - CROSSCLIMATE+ 

It’s 4 season tire but on some tests it outperformed summer tires. Anybody any experience with them?

[TonyHSD]

15 hours ago, Gray86 said:

Yesterday I had 4 new Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2 fitted, with Falkens sitting around 2-3mm at 20,400 miles when removed. The difference is night & day - much quieter, much more comfortable (ride quality) and they look good on the wheels too (flat faced, rather than rounded). I’m very very pleased so far (100 miles in). 
 

a slight worry was my tyre fitter said that Goodyear & Dunlop are prone to cracking on the tread blocks. Will see how we get on. . 

Good choice, these are probably the best summer touring tyres at the moment. Tyre fitters are right that tyres cracks but that is applied to all brands including Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental. It’s down to two major facts, salt during winter and latest rubber compound ingredients (organic). Goodyear efficient grip performance 2 in that particular area are much better than previous generation. Every single car tyre after 3-4 years will start cracking on the tread and inner side walls, some even only after 2-3 years and all that will depend of how much you drive winters and particularly on motorways. I run my first set EGP 2 up to 65k miles in 3 summers and then eventually they started to dry rot and show small cracks which is to be expected. They are not better or worse than any other tyre brand. 

[TonyHSD]

15 hours ago, Tomv said:

Still have 5mm on my OEM Falkens after 28 000km but I am not happy with them, thinking about replacement for MICHELIN - CROSSCLIMATE+ 

It’s 4 season tire but on some tests it outperformed summer tires. Anybody any experience with them?

These are very good and one of the best all season tyres. They are also favourite within Toyota car owners. They will not be better than any premium brand summer tyres during summer will not outperform them but can get good results. They are also quieter than most summer tyres on rough roads. Where these shines the most is snow, ice, cold weather, and gravel. All all season and winter tyres V shape like cross climates and vector 4 seasons will affect efficiency 3-5mpg immediately as these types are very grabby and easily kill the inertia of the car, something that Toyota hybrids relays greatly to achieve good mpg.
For anyone fitting an all season or winter tyres it will be a good idea to have mud-flaps installed too because of the reason above they will make the car much dirtier than any other summer type tyres. 
Got 2 new fitted the other day to am ev in the family and on Saturday fitted another 2 to the rear and will monitor energy consumption and will share experience, definitely we gonna loose up to a mile per kw/h. 

[jcps001]

Be warned if you're planning on changing tyres soon... In my country it's starting to appear the Continental PremiumContact 7.

I want to change mine around May this year, I was going to go for those GEP2, but now I'll wait for a Tyre Review video on these new ones. They seem very interesting and very focused on competing with the Primacy 4+. Of those that I found, prices seem too high, however there are still not many of those in stock.

[Tomv]

3 hours ago, TonyHSD said:V shape like cross climates and vector 4 seasons will affect efficiency 3-5mpg immediately as these types are very grabby and easily kill the inertia

That is the price I'm willing to pay for more silent and comfort 😀

[jcps001]

Just before I posted, the released a video featuring the PremiumContact 7:

https://youtu.be/3ZsWD4N0yds

And yes, it was the best of the lot. So a tyre to consider, if you're willing to pay for it.

The GEP2s are still excellent and way cheaper. I have not made my mind yet, but I'm still leaning towards those.

[Gray86]

13 minutes ago, jcps001 said:

Just before I posted, the released a video featuring the PremiumContact 7:

https://youtu.be/3ZsWD4N0yds

And yes, it was the best of the lot. So a tyre to consider, if you're willing to pay for it.

The GEP2s are still excellent and way cheaper. I have not made my mind yet, but I'm still leaning towards those.

The GY EGP2 are fantastic - now with 200 miles on mine on a combination of motorway & bumpy & potholed B roads around the Cotswolds, I’m even more impressed. Soak up the bumps, traction is spot on, noise is much reduced. . . all without loss of feel / handling ability (compared to falkens).

 

@TonyHSD thanks for the recommendation. If these see 30k miles, I’ll buy you a pint!  

[TonyHSD]

23 minutes ago, Gray86 said:

The GY EGP2 are fantastic - now with 200 miles on mine on a combination of motorway & bumpy & potholed B roads around the Cotswolds, I’m even more impressed. Soak up the bumps, traction is spot on, noise is much reduced. . . all without loss of feel / handling ability (compared to falkens).

 

@TonyHSD thanks for the recommendation. If these see 30k miles, I’ll buy you a pint!  

Cheers Graeme, will wait for the drink 🍺 🙂

The tyres  will become even plusher when weather warms up a bit.
They are very soft and cushy indeed and have excellent grip on all surfaces dry or wet. Rolling resistance it’s spot on too. My car keep rolling in ev mode where with other tyres and particularly winter ones used to slow down very quickly. 

[Tomv]

Tony if you compare GY EGP2 with MICHELIN - CROSSCLIMATE+ in terms of  comfort and noise?

[bunnyrabbit03]

With CrossClimate 2s, I get approx. 58 mpg in winter and around 64 mpg in summer (about 1/3 town driving an 2/3 long distance motorway driving). Overall, I am very happy with the tyres and would not go back to the summer/winter tyre swaps I did in the past. 

[TonyHSD]

2 hours ago, Tomv said:

Tony if you compare GY EGP2 with MICHELIN - CROSSCLIMATE+ in terms of  comfort and noise?

Hi,

unfortunately I can not compare these two against each other as I never had them on my car.
I had Goodyear vectors that are very similar to Michelin cross climate and they were slightly quieter on rough roads but slightly noisier on smooth roads.
The comfort levels for some reason the summer egp 2 were much more saddle and cushier over bumps. It seems that all season tyres has stronger heavier metal carcass and thicker side walls than summer plus they are slightly heavier and less efficient. 3-5mpg less in hybrids. 
All that will apply to Michelin too because I have seen a review from other driver who said exactly the same about his experience with Michelin cross climate 2 against Michelin primacy 4. 
I wish I went for cross climates to test them but now it’s too late. I won’t try any other tyres on my car, only egp 2 all year around and renew every two years. 🛞👌

 

[TonyHSD]

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On 2/24/2023 at 10:58 AM, Tomv said:

Tony if you compare GY EGP2 with MICHELIN - CROSSCLIMATE+ in terms of  comfort and noise?

Michelin cross climate 2 look very good 👍 

Haven’t tried the car yet but my gf said positive feeling against Michelin energy green they had replaced. There are so fresh , made in Germany week 5 of this year. Energy consumption only 0.3m/kWh lost from the summer eco tyres, that’s nothing ⚡️👍

[Tomv]

11 minutes ago, TonyHSD said:

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Michelin cross climate 2 look very good 👍 

Haven’t tried the car yet but my gf said positive feeling against Michelin energy green they had replaced. There are so fresh , made in Germany week 5 of this year. Energy consumption only 0.3m/kWh lost from the summer eco tyres, that’s nothing ⚡️👍

Thank you for the information.

I did some research, a lot of googling and made final decisions that I will replace my falkens with Michelin cross climate 2.

They got positive reviews in almost every test. 

[TonyHSD]

7 minutes ago, Tomv said:

Thank you for the information.

I did some research, a lot of googling and made final decisions that I will replace my falkens with Michelin cross climate 2.

They got positive reviews in almost every test. 

Yeap, good choice 👍 

[TonyHSD]

And because the spring is around the corner and the summer tyres will be getting popular again here are the best touring tyres available. 

 

[JoaoM]

I saw that video. Continental cheats a little bit with the Premium Contact 7: they are more an UHP than a premium touring tire. But that's the way the Conti lineup is arranged. You can't go wrong with any of the top 5.

[Mooly]

Just looking at my tyres (MOT on Tuesday). These are Dunlop Blue Response Sports fitted Feb 25th 2016 so exactly 7 years old now. Mileage when fitted was 41972 and mileage now is 92280. Mileage covered 50308. 

They have been rotated once and these are the fronts. The rears are similar. Depth gauge shows even wear across the width. Showing just under 5mm which is pretty amazing really.