Toyota Yaris Hybrid to face a serious competition from VW

[TonyHSD]

Lol, here is the latest small bev, a vw polo replacement. Looks stunning inside out, practical and offers a lots of room for a such a small car. Price most likely will be higher in uk but let’s see. To date the best ev from vw. 
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11867495/First-look-VWs-affordable-ID-2-electric-car-2026.html

[Mojo1010]

Not a direct comparison Bev Vs Hybrid. New MK4 icon can be bought for £18100, i think the id 2 will be around the £25k mark. Unless they can bring out a 300mile motorway range for £20k like someone previously mentioned, the Yaris all the way! 🙂

[as13]

Agree it looks a great looking car, but that was only the demo version, things like the pana roof extra cost along with loads of other extras.

So it might be a slightly better car, but pound for your buck, no comparison?

[TonyHSD]

I know this is not gonna be exactly what they will offer in 2 years time but even so competes with Yaris as it’s in the same class and similar price. I do like it a lot, great design, a lots of room for a small car and very simple. Toyota should come up with something similar. 

[Mojo1010]

So just read some of it, suppose to be £22000 for the base model with a 38kwh Battery. Somehow it arrive in 3 years very doubt it will be £22k. 20" wheels with low profile tyre on the presume top trim, good luck with replacement tyre cost! I'm just going to be glad my car can get 205/55/16 for under 300 a set of premiums.

Yaris is the number 1 supermini hybrid, nothing beat it. It's the most popular automatic driving school car, seeing a lot more mk4 driving school cars on the road this year. 

[APS]

 

25 minutes ago, TonyHSD said:

even so competes with Yaris as it’s in the same class and similar price. I do like it a lot, great design, a lots of room for a small car and very simple. Toyota should come up with something similar. 

Agreed on both counts. It will definitely compete with Yaris. Remember prices are predicted future prices so not necessarily a straight compare to current equivalents. It looks good too. The raked C-pillar will never look old.

Surprised they insist on the flat-bottomed steering wheel. Maybe just a prototype thing.

On a different note - I wish carmakers would lead the charge in moving away from old world measurements like horsepower. It's just utterly arbitrary. Electrification would have been a natural infliction point to transition to kW (and celebrate British engineering! 😉 )

[Ralph H]

Apparently it’s got 226 bhp ! That’ll beat the Yaris 

On sale: 2026 

Price: from less than £22,000

Battery: 38-56kWh

Motor: Single e-motor 

Drive: Front-wheel drive

Power: 226bhp

Range:  280 miles (450km) approx

Charging time: 10 to 80% in 20 minutes approx

Acceleration 0-62mph: less than 7 seconds

Top speed: 99mph

[Max_Headroom]

After the emission scam they pulled I wouldn't touch a VW with a bargepole.

I only moved to Toyota recently so am no fanboy my view is if you are looking at moving to hybrid why not but from a company that makes the best

 

[Saxmaniac]

I suppose Honda has the nearest direct competitor, don't think it's a hatchback though. https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/honda-e/overview.html

I'd rather buy such a thing from a Jap manufacturer than Vag

[Mojo1010]

11 minutes ago, Saxmaniac said:

I suppose Honda has the nearest direct competitor, don't think it's a hatchback though. https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/honda-e/overview.html

I'd rather buy such a thing from a Jap manufacturer than Vag

137 miles range which cost £37k 😳

[Cyker]

On paper the ID2 is annoyingly close to what I'm after in an EV, but I'm very skeptical of the claims. If it gets anywhere near 280 miles in real life I'll be impressed. Not a big fan of the design and I hate the flat-bottomed steering wheel and the unshielded dashboard (Why is that a thing now? Have they not tested them at dawn/dusk?! Surely that flat exposed screen will either blind you or will be completely un-viewable when the sun reflects off it!)

I will applaud them for bucking the trend of making a gigantic land boat, which seems to be the majority of new EVs.

[Mojo1010]

280 miles is the higher Battery model, bet it's going to cost about £35k. I'm happy with the MK4 design for 19k when it arrives, no range issue when doing long distance trip to Wales etc. No 20" wheels either, £150-200 a tyre?

[TonyHSD]

Agreed on the Honda , really good car but range and price simply stopped been a winner. Perhaps id2 has a bigger chance. I always like vw however since 2005 they had started to make one of the worst technically minded cars that gets broken beyond imagination. Also their service includes so many unnecessary parts replacement that on a Toyota car for example even rebuilding the engine will not be as complicated. Anyway, if this turns to be 80-90% true to their promise I don’t mind giving them a second chance. 
I like Toyota, they do the best hybrids but I can’t say the same for bev’s. Renault also showed a few new upcoming models they have a lot of similarities with last year Toyota prototypes so the car market will become even more interesting. If it’s a hybrid it’s easy, Toyota but if you about an ev, then what , perhaps Tesla . 

[Cyker]

Yeah, but not because the cars are particularly good; Purely because their charging infrastructure is just better. Even when they open it up, it will work better with Teslas than third-party EVs.

I'm in no hurry to go EV - For the money and commitment required, I don't want to be a beta tester.

 

[Eddie G]

Could sell well depending on if the SUV fad is still in full swing or not? but not for me Toyota and Hybrid or possibly a full EV Toyota if or should that be when Toyota get in on it but no rush as Toyota's Hybrid is great.

[Derek.w]

ID2 range 280 miles thats on paper so you can cut it in half for winter trips then you spend most of your time looking for a quick charger if you want to travel away from your local  area.

[Saxmaniac]

I'd always want to look at how the heater and Battery cooling systems work and also the braking system, regenerative or whatever. Car Care Nut did an interesting technical video on a Tesla. Conclusion was that the Battery, HVAC and software was way more advanced than the rest but the build quality was dreadful 

[YarisHybrid2016]

6 hours ago, Max_Headroom said:

After the emission scam they pulled I wouldn't touch a VW with a bargepole.

All German, and European cars more widely, are permanently off my list.

I looked around at several major European makers websites yesterday, and by the time you get a reasonable spec in anything, they are all 40k+. Even freaking Peugeot. 😳 

Toyota are very good value for money!

[Pumatron]

I had 4 VW’s between 2017 and 2021, all new, 3 had issues, one of them which I rejected.

I Tried two different VW dealers, both obnoxious, rude and clueless how to look after a customers car or fix faults.

The last VW in 2021 the dealer ended up buying back off me after destroying it trying to fix a water leak.

The service manager in 2021 openly admitted that VW had huge quality issues and software glitches and problems were rife and unresolved, especially on the ID3.

None of this inspired confidence and I’m very cautious of the brand after the Diesel gate scandal, not of what they did, but the fallout from now trying to save money, penny pinch and grab back some of the money they lost by allowing the accountants to hold the engineering purse strings.

While I’m not overly excited by the two Toyotas I own, I’m happy with the product for the money I paid, and 2 out of the 3 dealers I’ve used have so far been okay. 

A lot can happen from now until 2026, so personally I think we need to see how all this EV hype pans out. 

[YarisHybrid2016]

23 minutes ago, Pumatron said:

The last VW in 2021 the dealer ended up buying back off me after destroying it trying to fix a water leak.

How the heck did that happen?!

I don't know how this myth of "German engineering" = great perpetuates. Nothing I've seen in 30 years supports that. A friend of ours had a 2-year-old GLE (100k car) burn up on her driveway and destroy the car a year last Christmas due to a faulty vacuum valve. It was made of plastic, and destroyed by coolant contamination. Mercedes didn't want to know. Turns out it is a common problem, and Mercedes already knew about it. Total and extremely expensive junk!

[Max_Headroom]

6 hours ago, Pumatron said:

The service manager in 2021 openly admitted that VW had huge quality issues and software glitches and problems were rife and unresolved, especially on the ID3.

When I was looking for my next car I looked at the golf I found out they are prone to leaks especially in the boot. 

[Pumatron]

6 hours ago, YarisHybrid2016 said:

How the heck did that happen?!

I don't know how this myth of "German engineering" = great perpetuates. Nothing I've seen in 30 years supports that. A friend of ours had a 2-year-old GLE (100k car) burn up on her driveway and destroy the car a year last Christmas due to a faulty vacuum valve. It was made of plastic, and destroyed by coolant contamination. Mercedes didn't want to know. Turns out it is a common problem, and Mercedes already knew about it. Total and extremely expensive junk!

The car was immaculate with just over 1000 miles on it. I let the dealer keep the car for as long as they wanted to fix the water leak to the drivers footwell (it was clear water) but on the promise that it was looked after. They had it for a month, when I requested to pick it up it was at the back of the compound covered in bird lime, which wasn’t ideal. 
Once I started to inspect it I found rust on the white paint because someone had been grinding near it, the front wing had been removed and put back (no idea why), the car was covered in limescale because they left a hose on it for 24 hours in the sun, the water hose had been dragged all over the roof which was black (as per picture) and over the bonnet and was scratched beyond any polishing. There was car polish on various plastic exterior black trims, mud on the back seat, a hole in the carpet and the insulation missing from the drivers side foot well, various trims not installed correctly inside and outside.

We all sat around the board meeting table in the dealership a few days later, they agreed it wasn’t repairable to the original condition I gave it to them in and a financial package was agreed, we walked away vowing no more VW’s. 

[Saxmaniac]

I saw German "engineering" deteriorating through the 1980s in a different field. They turned out solidly built products before that but past the 1990s turned out stuff built to a price but over complicated. From what I've heard from people with German cars the same applies 

[YarisHybrid2016]

33 minutes ago, Pumatron said:

The car was immaculate with just over 1000 miles on it. I let the dealer keep the car for as long as they wanted to fix the water leak to the drivers footwell (it was clear water) but on the promise that it was looked after. They had it for a month, when I requested to pick it up it was at the back of the compound covered in bird lime, which wasn’t ideal. 
Once I started to inspect it I found rust on the white paint because someone had been grinding near it, the front wing had been removed and put back (no idea why), the car was covered in limescale because they left a hose on it for 24 hours in the sun, the water hose had been dragged all over the roof which was black (as per picture) and over the bonnet and was scratched beyond any polishing. There was car polish on various plastic exterior black trims, mud on the back seat, a hole in the carpet and the insulation missing from the drivers side foot well, various trims not installed correctly inside and outside.

Wow! I'm sorry to hear that! I'd go nuclear if that was my car.

[TonyHSD]

Last good vw imo was built in 2004, since 2005 and the introduction of Passat B6 version everything went downhill. I still like these cars but how they look and since then I only enjoy watching others driving and owning them 😉, fast cars, they often overtake me on the motorway but I don’t mind driving my old Toyota day or night , again and again like a public transport machine., just keeps going. 👌