All cameras on the M1 & M25 go live set at 72mph.

[Mojo1010]

Inside information from someone I know working in that department. Auto ticket generating system!

[Yugguy1970]

Stick the auto cruise on 73 and crack on then.

[Eddiefh]

Set mine to 70 probably doing 64 

[Rhymes with Paris]

Ah ha, amazingly I have never met anyone who got fined or got "encouraged"to attend a speed awareness course who was doing more than 1 mph above the speed limit.

According to them, anyway.

I don't always agree with the limits set on roads, for instance the 60 mph limit on a narrow one track road passing a residential caravan site near here, with a large parking/picnic area opposite, on the river Trent, 10 or 20 mph would be better I think.

But my point is , that if I've got it right, there is a lot of leeway,all speedometers over read by 2 or 3 mph at least.

My own Tsport reads 74 mph on 68 mph according to Tom.

Plus the allowance of 10% +2 mph that I understand is the threshold for a penalty.

So, I would say that these people who swear that they were doing 31 mph in a 30 zone, and it's so unfair, were doing at least 35 mph if not more.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for motorists freedoms, and using common sense for safety of others and self, but the self delusion of the "I was only 1mph over the limit" is patent nonsense.

[Cyker]

Great. I swear the people who come up with these things do not live in the real world.

My prediction is at first they'll generate loads of speeding ticket fines, which they'll use to roll this sort of thing out even further rather than e.g. actually improve road quality and safety, then when enough people have been stung by fines, the congestion in the outer lanes will shoot up to new unbelievable levels as nobody can get past anyone else and the conditioning to move to the outer lanes to overtake ends up trapping everyone there, and then weaving and undertaking becomes the new norm. At some point this will hit critical mass and both motorways will become practically unusable because of the sheer number accidents on the Smart Motorway bits trigger full-lane closures, because the Smart Motorway operators love doing that for even minor incidents and because of the lack of hard shoulders. Eventually people will start shifting to the A-roads surrounding them instead, which will increase the accidents and congestion through all the villages along side them.

It annoys me that this whole more speed = more danger misthink is so deeply embedded in the idiots that make the rules that they can't think of anything else, like actually engineering roads to be safer, and instead slavishly push that narrative, and even when what they're doing makes things more dangerous, and the accident and death rate rises because of it, they bury their heads and blame everything else they can and *keep doing it*!

 

 

Edit: Hoooooooold on... I think this might not be true - I have been reminded of a viral hoax on Twitter about 4 years ago that was doing the rounds saying this exact thing...

Then again, they could be pulling a KHAAAAAN!, who categorically said he had no plans on extending the ULEZ up to the M25, yet here we are a short time later...

[Bper]

36 minutes ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Ah ha, amazingly I have never met anyone who got fined or got "encouraged"to attend a speed awareness course who was doing more than 1 mph above the speed limit.

According to them, anyway.

I don't always agree with the limits set on roads, for instance the 60 mph limit on a narrow one track road passing a residential caravan site near here, with a large parking/picnic area opposite, on the river Trent, 10 or 20 mph would be better I think.

But my point is , that if I've got it right, there is a lot of leeway,all speedometers over read by 2 or 3 mph at least.

My own Tsport reads 74 mph on 68 mph according to Tom.

Plus the allowance of 10% +2 mph that I understand is the threshold for a penalty.

So, I would say that these people who swear that they were doing 31 mph in a 30 zone, and it's so unfair, were doing at least 35 mph if not more.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for motorists freedoms, and using common sense for safety of others and self, but the self delusion of the "I was only 1mph over the limit" is patent nonsense.

Hi Paul, If the accuracy of speedometers are in question the cars today are equipped with enough electronics and computer chips to log the speed of a car along with the time and date of journey and keep it until deleted.

Surely if you received a speeding ticket you could check this with the log in the car and send them a print out. If the corresponding speeds do not match and they still insist of fining you then the manufacturers would have to release just how truly accurate the speedometers really are and either the police or them would need to adjust the limits of the camera's to compensate accordingly.

 

[Cyker]

I seem to recall some guy got done in a Punto or something for doing well over 100mph, when the car physically wasn't capable of going at that speed, but the case still went ahead despite the guy getting experts to test the car to prove it wasn't physically capable of going at the speed he was being accused of. I think in the end he got off because they found evidence it had been a squirrel or bird or something flying in front of the camera at that moment  

[Corolla2004]

This has been claimed before & has received this 2019 rebuttal, so with respect I'm not fully convinced:

[Mojo1010]

Maybe have been given propaganda then I don't know.

[Roy124]

11 hours ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Plus the allowance of 10% +2 mph that I understand is the threshold for a penalty.

So, I would say that these people who swear that they were doing 31 mph in a 30 zone, and it's so unfair, were doing at least 35 mph if not more.

This is our guidance for Community Speed Watch in Lincolnshire.  I cannot confirm other counties allow this +10%.  

With CSW, first report you get a letter.  Second report you get a stronger  letter.  Third you get a visit. 

You don't need to be caught in one area but in any area in the county. 

[Yugguy1970]

Me and my daughter are off to Wembley tonight to watch England v Brazil.

M1 most of the way and I fully expect not to be able to get anywhere near 70 while on it.

😀

[FROSTYBALLS]

According to Highways England this is fake news, and has been rumoured before.

[Yugguy1970]

Not so bad on the way back, but yeah, 50 to 60 all the way down.

The RAV was great, I mean yes, I whinge about switches and lights but their core hybrid tech is superb.

Good match too, tense at the end.

Wemberley, wemberley, wemberley.

[Cyker]

I'm about to make the opposite journey, up from here to Donington! I suspect the journey will not be as comfortable in the Yaris compared to the RAV4...!  

[Yugguy1970]

I dunno.  The Yaris is a very capable small car, with all the bells and whistles safety stuff as the RAV. 

And a hell of a lot easier to park in tiny Wembley parking spaces. 🤣

[Cyker]

Oh I just meant the seats!  

The Yaris is a really good car but it's definitely no grand tourer   

It's a riot on the twisties tho', which is why I usually go up the A5 and not the M1...  

 

[Mojo1010]

That's good to hear as I need a capable twisty small car. The MK3 works me harder in the twisty than a workout in the gym. 

[tfc]

According to Greater Manchester traffic inspector on tv a couple of years ago there is no allowances or %, if the camera is on a 30mph road it's set at that same goes for other speeds. 

 In the UK you can legally have a speedo over read up to 10% but must not under read. If all vehicles had accurate speedo (highly unlikely) due to them being digital now. HGV have to have their Taco's calibrated every 2 years .

There would far more people with points on their  licences if we had calibrated speedometer.

 

[Roy124]

As I implied earlier, Lincolnshire might allow a tolerance but others, including I think Nottinghamshire, do not.

Also we tend to have the speed Camera 300m in from the limit, but that does not mean you have 300m to slow down. The 30 sign is not a slow down sign, nor is 30 a lower limit or a challenge. 

I try an decelerate to the limit without braking and am then happy to cruise at 30 indicated (28T) but it certainly seems to annoy some people. 

[FROSTYBALLS]

2 hours ago, tfc said:

In the UK you can legally have a speedo over read up to 10% but must not under read.

... and additionally for actual speeds between 25 mph and 70 mph (or the vehicles' maximum speed if it is lower than this), the indicated speed must not exceed 110% of the actual speed, plus 6.25 mph.

For example, if the vehicle is actually traveling at 50 mph, the speedometer must not show more than 61.25 mph or less than 50 mph.

[Cyker]

3 hours ago, tfc said:

According to Greater Manchester traffic inspector on tv a couple of years ago there is no allowances or %, if the camera is on a 30mph road it's set at that same goes for other speeds. 

 In the UK you can legally have a speedo over read up to 10% but must not under read. If all vehicles had accurate speedo (highly unlikely) due to them being digital now. HGV have to have their Taco's calibrated every 2 years .

There would far more people with points on their  licences if we had calibrated speedometer.

 

That's a good point actually - Officially there is no leeway, so they can totally do you for going over by even 1mph.

There is an unofficial 10%+2 (Now 10%+1) 'rule' where essentially they can't be bothered to prosecute you, but they definitely can if provoked!

 

[mpm235]

if anyone thinks this story is true, I have a bag of magic beans for sale, £1000,000.

[Roy124]

On 4/7/2023 at 6:39 PM, Cyker said:

That's a good point actually - Officially there is no leeway, so they can totally do you for going over by even 1mph.

When I had a diesel Merc, and fuel was affordable, I would use the Satnav and set the cruise control to the 50 or 70 limits on the motorways and dual carriageways. 

Would be overtaken on Motorways but on dual carriageways and 50 zones I was frequently faster than most. 

Now, with the hybrid, I drop to CC to 30 or 40 before the limit aiming to be on speed at the zone start.  Surprising how many people treat the sign as the point to start slowing down.

The VSC frequently flash up 28 or 37 but I stick with the CC 30/40.

As the signs often say, 30 is the limit not a target. 

[mpm235]

18 hours ago, Roy124 said:

When I had a diesel Merc, and fuel was affordable, I would use the Satnav and set the cruise control to the 50 or 70 limits on the motorways and dual carriageways. 

Would be overtaken on Motorways but on dual carriageways and 50 zones I was frequently faster than most. 

Now, with the hybrid, I drop to CC to 30 or 40 before the limit aiming to be on speed at the zone start.  Surprising how many people treat the sign as the point to start slowing down.

The VSC frequently flash up 28 or 37 but I stick with the CC 30/40.

As the signs often say, 30 is the limit not a target. 

Good post, well said.

[mpm235]

On 4/6/2023 at 8:36 AM, Roy124 said:

This is our guidance for Community Speed Watch in Lincolnshire.  I cannot confirm other counties allow this +10%.  

With CSW, first report you get a letter.  Second report you get a stronger  letter.  Third you get a visit. 

You don't need to be caught in one area but in any area in the county. 

The 10% thing is not a legal requirement at all. You are not legally allowed an extra 10%. I wouldn't risk it. You can be prosecuted for 1 mph over the limit. Although, camera operators often do set a threshold for prosecution a bit above the limit, such as 33 in a 30 zone, or 65 in a 60 zone.. Don't ever try telling a Traffic Cop or Magistrate that they can't do you because were only speeding by 10%, they won't be impressed.