Damaged and repaired during delivery?

[Max_Headroom]

3 minutes ago, SB1500 said:

The industry is headed toward touch only... what a !Removed! nightmare. I love technology and I'll use it anywhere, as much as I can (sometimes maybe even for the sake of it). But it is NOT a good idea for touch only controls for heating or any of the basic important functions of a modern car. You need to be able to feel for it and control it with some precision at all times whilst keeping your eyes on the road. 

When you watch car reviews many reviewers say the screen is/isn't easy to use when you are driving, what are these muppets talking about you are not supposed to use the touch screen when you are driving  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Max_Headroom said:

When you watch car reviews many reviewers say the screen is/isn't easy to use when you are driving, what are these muppets talking about you are not supposed to use the touch screen when you are driving  

From experience, it’s not. Even when you know where to press and are fluent in it, it’s just not easy at all. Certainly not compared to physical buttons. I can adjust the temperature from feel whilst focussing on the road. Some new cars where they can only have the heating adjusted via the screen, how are they supposed to use climate control on the motorway as an example? ..

[anchorman]

6 hours ago, Max_Headroom said:

When you watch car reviews many reviewers say the screen is/isn't easy to use when you are driving, what are these muppets talking about you are not supposed to use the touch screen when you are driving  

You shouldn’t but you do.   You’re not supposed to adjust your interior mirror on the move but you do.  I agree it’s probably better if you don’t but I’m guilty of it and I think of myself as being quite conscientious.  

5 hours ago, SB1500 said:

From experience, it’s not. Even when you know where to press and are fluent in it, it’s just not easy at all. Certainly not compared to physical buttons. I can adjust the temperature from feel whilst focussing on the road. Some new cars where they can only have the heating adjusted via the screen, how are they supposed to use climate control on the motorway as an example? ..

The best system as you’ve mentioned is the Mazda command knob.  You can navigate that without taking the road out of your line of view and at lightning speed.  These Toyota screens and the incudes the new ones that are coming are a worrying distraction.  Wherever you have to touch a target, your attention is drawn from your primary task and on some screens the target is tiny.  Mazda do right to lock the screen when the car is in motion.  

[Tomv]

my friend (working for dealer) ( not Toyota )was repairing cars that had been damaged by hailstorm. They were new unregistred cars that had dealer in the parking lot. I asked if they will provide some discount for the customer and the answer was - no, we will sell them as a new car.

[Guest]

My granny bought a "new" Hyundai i10 in 2014 around the start of the year. Turns out it was built early 2013, had a green mould like buildup around the window seals and other nastiness from how long it had been sitting around. This was I believe the outgoing shape / model at the time.  On a wet day, the thing steamed up so badly and the de-mister on full setting couldn't hold back the fight of clearing the windscreen (Now as I look back, probably a done old cabin filter from sitting around).  The radio went up to like 30 and you could barely hear it over the road noise either, absolute joke. It was the top spec and the remote unlock was a separate key fob....   I'm all for small, cheap cars and I miss my Fiat Panda, but the i10 made it look and feel like a Rolls Royce hahaha

...now, where was I..  ah yeah, they sold that car, brand new / registered 2014 to her and as much as she is a 'don't care what car I drive just have money to spend on one' kind of person, she even hated it.  

I know all cars sit around between the factory and the day of delivery to the customer, but you'd think they'd make an effort....  

[cruiserOAP]

On 5/20/2023 at 10:25 PM, RonYarisX said:

I'd love to know the logic behind that one.

Wouldn't have been more productive to ask the dealer that if there were no changes in agreed circumstances, then they would guarantee the PX valaution?

I was referring to the new car delivered to the dealer

[cruiserOAP]

23 hours ago, SB1500 said:

From experience, it’s not. Even when you know where to press and are fluent in it, it’s just not easy at all. Certainly not compared to physical buttons. I can adjust the temperature from feel whilst focussing on the road. Some new cars where they can only have the heating adjusted via the screen, how are they supposed to use climate control on the motorway as an example? ..

If you think touch screen controls are a bad idea, someone at VW had a brain freeze and released the Mk8 Golf not only with touch slider heater controls, but they were not illuminated at night! Unbelievable SNAFU. That cretinous design error finally lost me as a long time VAG customer.

[Guest]

Just now, cruiserOAP said:

If you think touch screen controls are a bad idea, someone at VW had a brain freeze and released the Mk8 Golf not only with touch slider heater controls, but they were not illuminated at night! Unbelievable SNAFU. That cretinous design error finally lost me as a long time VAG customer.

I've long thought that touch only was a bad idea from the early days of them taking over HVAC controls... but yeah, when I saw that Golf review (not that I'm a fan of reviewers in general) I thought how the hell did they do that and not think that it would cause an issue. 

I understand where the notion came from.... looking at the 2011 era Astra. I used to like the interiors of those, but they had way too many buttons.  I think now we've gone in the opposite direction.  Interestingly, Mercedes MBUX system whilst having everything controllable on the screen, also has the physical buttons at least for adjustment while driving. The new DS4 (which inevitably took notes from Mercedes) seems to have the same array of buttons, albeit in a single line.. that's a wise compromise between the two in my opinion. 

Saw a video of the 1960s Fiat 124 which had solid metal switches / dials for these features. It was something like "low on the left, off in the middle, right for high" - totally unintuitive unless you've been using it for a while, and I appreciated the fact that the worst thing in my lifetime I've come across in cars are things like wind down windows.... lol 

[cruiserOAP]

On 5/21/2023 at 4:10 PM, TonyHSD said:

Most Toyota dealers are usually on the better side when compared to other makes. I have few positive and few negative experiences, but overall they are ok. I hear a lots of poor service from dealers who trade with makes like vw, Audi, Range Rover, peruse the products they offer quality not at the top and consequently the dealer has to fight back and defeat. 🫢 Car trade is what 150 years old but together with estate agents are two business that we should take extra care with when dealing and no easy trusting in either of these. 

Are Toyota dealerships part owned by Toyota? I seem to remember this at some point but I don't know if this is still the case.

[TonyHSD]

56 minutes ago, cruiserOAP said:

Are Toyota dealerships part owned by Toyota? I seem to remember this at some point but I don't know if this is still the case.

I don’t know really about this. Better someone else to answer 👍

[Cyker]

AFAIK all dealers (At least in the UK) are franchises and separate entities from Toyota UK/GB who are 'Toyota' in the UK, and are in turn separate from the mothership that is Toyota Japan.

None of them have any direct influence in day-to-day operations of each other, and only have to conform to rules and directives set by the above, but are otherwise basically independent.

 

[bathtub tom]

1 hour ago, SB1500 said:

the worst thing in my lifetime I've come across in cars are things like wind down windows.... lol 

Early Minis (and other cars) had sliding windows. What's wrong with you, you got arms?

[FROSTYBALLS]

Toyota GB was originally owned by Inchcape, before being bought by Toyota in 2000. Toyota GB don't own any dealerships.

Inchcape Fleet Solutions was bought by Toyota in 2019 for £100,000,000, and was rebranded Kinto.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, bathtub tom said:

Early Minis (and other cars) had sliding windows. What's wrong with you, you got arms?

Actually, my Avensis is heavily modified to enable me to steer it by gripping a rope with my teeth and tilting my head left / right to steer 😝

 

just kidding. Of course there’s nothing wrong with the wind up windows. I was just making the remark that ‘the worst’ lack of features I’ve ever seen since I started driving in 2014 was older cars without electric windows. The joke was that this isnt actually big deal (I’m sure a lot of brand new cars still come with winding windows in the rear) 

[Cyker]

Keep-Fit windows we call them  

 

[cruiserOAP]

5 hours ago, Cyker said:

Keep-Fit windows we call them  

 

I think this post is a wind up!