Please help Corolla D4D SR 2.0

[Bea204]

Hi guys me again, I’m at my wits end with this poor car please can anyone help me, Corolla D4D SR 2.0 I have a squeaky rubbery groan noise when breaks get hot, no one can find it and one garage has said it was cheap pads, upgraded to genuine Toyota front pads and noise is still there

it has recently had,

This year and most in the last 2 months:- full break discs all round, full pads all round, both front wheel bearings, nsf anti roll bar, nsf caliper, osf caliper carrier, clutch, radiator, water pump, cam belt, starter motor,

last year had both back break calipers, both break shoes, and fitting kits

please please can someone help or advise or have you had this happen at all 

[TonyHSD]

Hm, that’s strange but also point towards two or more problems.
First is the pulsating sound of the brakes and then the noise itself to me seems like is coming from the suspension. Because it matches the frequency of the brake pulsation. 
Does the sound comes from the back of the car or from the front?
Have you had this before brake callipers change or after that? 
By any chance can take photos of all wheels and brakes and share here ? 
 

[DerekHa]

Hi there Bea,

Does your car have drum brakes on the rear? You mention calipers and brake shoes on the rear and calipers are only used for disc brakes.

[TonyHSD]

3 minutes ago, DerekHa said:

Hi there Bea,

Does your car have drum brakes on the rear? You mention calipers and brake shoes on the rear and calipers are only used for disc brakes.

I think the older Corolla has brake discs and small brake shoe inside the discs for parking brake. 

[Bea204]

Hi thank you, 

no pulsating no shaking nothing you can here it when the breaks turn and squeaking/groaning os only there when breaking

 

it has the bigger break discs and discs all round as was apparently a limited edition one 

[Bea204]

[Bea204]

Tyres are all good trackings been done just passed mot 

[Bea204]

26 minutes ago, DerekHa said:

Hi there Bea,

Does your car have drum brakes on the rear? You mention calipers and brake shoes on the rear and calipers are only used for disc brakes.

This model does have break discs all round, xx

[TonyHSD]

12 minutes ago, Bea204 said:

Thanks sharing., 
on picture 3 I believe it’s the front left disc there is a deep groove and not full circumference of the disc. That is a serious sign of not properly installed brake disc or foreign object stuck to pad or calliper.
This need to be addressed. There is definitely a pulsating happening and as a result you have load onto the suspension and suspension bushes are making these rubbery noise. Other than that brake disc look good and apec pads are of ok quality. 
Here on the picture. 

[Bea204]

The discs have been checked and was a stone that had left was no sign of it and no sign of it on previous pass which were installed 1month ago, break pads were changed Friday for Toyota ones and all issues still there, no shaking or pulsing on steering when it happens, can here a slight drone when it goes round on a certain area but nothing on car through steering x

[Bea204]

It’s puzzling everyone xx

[DerekHa]

I agree with Tony about that mark on what looks like the front left hand disc. Seeing scoring on a disc isn't that unusual but for that mark to be deep at the top and then to finish at around the 4o'clock position is strange and needs looking at especially as everything looks near brand new. If something was caught between disc and the outer pad you'd expect a mark all around the disc, that mark only runs part of the way around that disc! Inclined to think that something is out with the alignment/fitting of the disc, pad(s) or caliper on that wheel.

[Bea204]

Thank you I will get them to take a look, that caliper that side( passages side is new ) pads are nee as of Friday the other pads and the discs were done a month ago along with the wheel bearings, surely it wouldn’t be that making such a squeaking groaning noise as garage has said they are all good xx

[oldcodger]

You 2006 model like ours , the rear brakes should be a combined disc and handbrake drum .

Just listening to your sound clips,  makes us think of a squeaking rubber on the exhaust hangers or an engine mount or any of the suspension rubbers, front or rear, even something like the doors, bonnet or rear hatch rubbers ?

Interesting that of all the work you list,  no mention of any of the rubbers  ?  and you have not mentioned when the noise started and if slowly over time or suddenly ?

A trick to try and isolate any such noise is to one at a time lubricate the rubbers with red grease or at a pinch washing up liquid, then driving around to see if the squeak is gone or changed in tone.

When your say " nsf anti roll bar" not sure what that is, there is only one anti roll bar, but its does have a rubber bush on each side, though wonder if it really was the Drop Links, though it would be unusual to replace just the NS, normally both done together.

You have had a load done to the car and expect its cost you a lot !  but was apart from the brakes was any of it to cure this noise ?

[Bea204]

2 hours ago, oldcodger said:

You 2006 model like ours , the rear brakes should be a combined disc and handbrake drum .

Just listening to your sound clips,  makes us think of a squeaking rubber on the exhaust hangers or an engine mount or any of the suspension rubbers, front or rear, even something like the doors, bonnet or rear hatch rubbers ?

Interesting that of all the work you list,  no mention of any of the rubbers  ?  and you have not mentioned when the noise started and if slowly over time or suddenly ?

A trick to try and isolate any such noise is to one at a time lubricate the rubbers with red grease or at a pinch washing up liquid, then driving around to see if the squeak is gone or changed in tone.

When your say " nsf anti roll bar" not sure what that is, there is only one anti roll bar, but its does have a rubber bush on each side, though wonder if it really was the Drop Links, though it would be unusual to replace just the NS, normally both done together.

You have had a load done to the car and expect its cost you a lot !  but was apart from the brakes was any of it to cure this noise ?

Thank you for all you messages 

Breaks on rest not sure just know it has discs and shoes

the rubbers on the exhaust are all good, was checked the other week when heat shield was loose, good shout on suspension and engine mounts will take a look but wouldn’t that be there all the time? This is only there we’re breaking once warm and as sound clip not constant 

the noise started after having breaks and nsf passenger wheel bearing done 

it was the drop link that was done ( sorry was on invoice as antiroll bar link) never know them to have to be done in pairs, the other side is solid 

 Certanly have spent a lot just tipped over £3000 the garages loves me

all noises started after breaks and the second wheel bearing was done 

 

hope this helps 

 

thank you for helping xx

[Bper]

Just wondering if all the parts replaced are oem You say the noise started after having breaks and nsf passenger wheel bearing done. It may be coincidence that the noise started after but it seems likely that lt is either a problem with a possible faulty part or the install.

If all parts and the replies to you post have been eliminated I would get the car booked in to a Toyota dealer and get them to look at the problem. 

You have spent a lot of money on the car and this is obvious from your post it is causing  you a lot of stress. 👍

[TonyHSD]

These are my thought too, many parts replaced and since then the problem has started. The APEC brake components are good quality and pads themselves can not cause a noise you have, definitely whoever diagnosed the issue got it wrong and most likely the problem is because of incorrectly fitted parts or defective parts., or perhaps poor workmanship.
Brakes are pulsating and loading the suspension that starts squeaking like that or exhaust rubbers as mentioned, very likely, could also be shocks, anything really that has rubber components and moves. 
After all that expense and still an issue they should have look at it for free, find the problem and fix it for free. I hope it was only one place that have done all the work so you can go back and insist to take care of the problem as you are obviously a regular customer. 
They need to find the reason for pulsation and then the squeaking noise. 
Good luck. 

[oldcodger]

Its a bit surprising that you can record the noise, yet the garage cannot find the fault ?! 

Listening to your noise clips again , its such a strong rubber sound, and though you think its all to do with the brakes, to us its more like the engine/gearbox mounts/ movement on deceleration or possibly the front shock absorbers top mounts which like the engine mounts are a large strong rubber assembly.

Have you rolled up to the garage after a journey that warmed it up enough to produce the noise and asked them to come out with you for a test drive ?

Might be worth getting a second opinion from another garage if any nearby?

Do let us know what resolves the issue.

 

[Bea204]

Thank you garage that atarted the work won’t touch it as it was booked on for the n/s/f wheel bearing and they did the wrong side, breaks then went to a garage and again been back 2 of 3 times and now tell me there to busy to look, 

took to another garage after a journey with the noise and they said cheap pads, bought Toyota ones had them fitted and now I have even more noises, I’m running out of options and money I’m so stressed and sick with worry as need car for work and school runs 

[oldcodger]

Who did the MOT test , one of the two garages you have used above, and as you say it passed the other day, so would not think the noise is anything that serious otherwise the tester would be very negligent, though by the same token their job is to test the car for basic safety and not such noises.

Assuming you are not miles out in the countryside, think you ought to go to one or even two other garages and with the car hot and the noise present ask them to go for a little test drive with you, if they will not, go elsewhere.

Sometimes even a one man band type of garage might be better than the larger ones,  better still if anyone local can recommend one , other than the ones you have tried.

Shame you are not nearer or we could have lent hand.

PS  one other thing rubber that comes to mind, the Aux belt , or fan belt as we still call it,  if there was some problem with the belt or its tensioner that might cause a problem /squeaking as there are some heavy forces at play in that belt system when the revs suddenly rise or drop  etc.

[Bea204]

1 hour ago, oldcodger said:

Who did the MOT test , one of the two garages you have used above, and as you say it passed the other day, so would not think the noise is anything that serious otherwise the tester would be very negligent, though by the same token their job is to test the car for basic safety and not such noises.

Assuming you are not miles out in the countryside, think you ought to go to one or even two other garages and with the car hot and the noise present ask them to go for a little test drive with you, if they will not, go elsewhere.

Sometimes even a one man band type of garage might be better than the larger ones,  better still if anyone local can recommend one , other than the ones you have tried.

Shame you are not nearer or we could have lent hand.

PS  one other thing rubber that comes to mind, the Aux belt , or fan belt as we still call it,  if there was some problem with the belt or its tensioner that might cause a problem /squeaking as there are some heavy forces at play in that belt system when the revs suddenly rise or drop  etc.

Thank you the garage that motd it was aware of the noise as I drove it on like it, they then checked everything and lots it, ( don’t forget noise then when breaking) 

I have it booked back in with that same garage on Tuesday  but just feel like being female and going to garages they are not looking and just saying they have, 

I broke down In a different garage today but then he suddenly mentioned drive shaft and a lot of labour, this was with out even looking at car, this is todays noise  of it, it’s really scaring me with the kids in the car. 
 

I’m based I. North norfolk 😞 

[oldcodger]

Afraid it does seem like you have been given the run around / bad service as with a noise like that cannot imagine how any garage cannot identify it.

Don't know how big or small the garages are that you have dealt with, but if you Google  "car servicing" you might find some decent garage , big or small , in your area that can help sort things out properly.

Not something we use, but other forum members might,  would the Social Media platforms with many more local folk  help you find a good garage / mechanic near you ?

[Bea204]

40 minutes ago, oldcodger said:

Afraid it does seem like you have been given the run around / bad service as with a noise like that cannot imagine how any garage cannot identify it.

Don't know how big or small the garages are that you have dealt with, but if you Google  "car servicing" you might find some decent garage , big or small , in your area that can help sort things out properly.

Not something we use, but other forum members might,  would the Social Media platforms with many more local folk  help you find a good garage / mechanic near you ?

Thank you, these are a mixture of big ish and small garages, just feel the car is unsafe but everyone is telling me it’s not 

costing a lot in labour for people to just look 😞 just don’t know where else to turn xx

[Bper]

In my opinion you are going round in circles with this with no resolve you need to take the car to a Toyota dealer. You have tried different garages and had problems with them. This is always a red flag. 

From your profile you are in Norfolk like myself, take it to either Toyota in Norwich or Attleborough.

[DerekHa]

Been reading the latest on your troubles Bea.

Listening to your new recording that definately sounds as though the noise is becoming a lot more prominent and worrying. You may not know the answer to this question but am sure other members would know!

Does the Corolla D-4D have a rubber vibration damp fitted on one or both of the drive shafts? It's my recollection that drive shaft vibration dampers are usually a rubber ring/sleave bounded onto the onto the shaft between the inner and outer CV joints. If the rubber damper has deteriorated badly or the shaft corroded it could begin to seperate and expand and start to come into contact with the underbody, engine or gearbox and could make noises similar to what you've recorded.

I'm fairly sure someone on the forum had a similar issue with one of these dampers through corrosion of the shaft that in turn caused the drive shaft to snap and lost drive. Can't remember which vehicle was affected though.

Hope it turns out to be something far more simple for you.