Updated/facelifted RAV 4 PHEV ??

[Cyker]

It's happening just as Toyota predicted and planned before the change from the 2040 date screwed them - People will move to HEV, then PHEV, then EV.

If they can increase Battery energy density enough to make a usable PHEV Yaris then we'll be nearly ready for mass EVs!

 

[HSDish]

One big advantage with Toyota Plug Ins , campare to many other Plug In Brands ( as for ex Kia/Hyundai phevs) is that Prius PEV gen2 and RAV4 PHEV got an " heat pump" that allows drivning in EV mode right from the start. Therese no need for ICE to kick in and heat/ cool the cabin.

And yes, Prius PEV gen2 and RAV4 PHEV has a Button to choose/ switch for HV or EV mood, so you can choose HV mood on highway trips and save EV mood to city driving

[ernieb]

One other advantage of the Toyota PHEV is it can to run at 85mph in EV mode, many similar PHEV's in other brands just can not do this. 

[Flatcoat]

10 hours ago, HSDish said:

One big advantage with Toyota Plug Ins , campare to many other Plug In Brands ( as for ex Kia/Hyundai phevs) is that Prius PEV gen2 and RAV4 PHEV got an " heat pump" that allows drivning in EV mode right from the start. Therese no need for ICE to kick in and heat/ cool the cabin.

And yes, Prius PEV gen2 and RAV4 PHEV has a Button to choose/ switch for HV or EV mood, so you can choose HV mood on highway trips and save EV mood to city driving

Yes, the Kia/Hyundai PHEV’s (and others such as MG, Peugeot etc without heat pumps) rum mostly in ICE mode in cold weather when cabin heat is required. Defeats the benefit of having a PHEV……. 

[kucyk]

3 hours ago, ernieb said:

One other advantage of the Toyota PHEV is it can to run at 85mph in EV mode, many similar PHEV's in other brands just can not do this. 

Also, no gear shifting in EV mode. For reference, CX60 is making some horrible noises in EV mode.

[nlee]

And not to mention EV range on the RAV4 PHEV. 4th out of 20 in this article, although you could probably argue the RAV is the only one that betters the manufacturers claimed EV range which likely moves it to 3rd, above the BMW X5, with the top 2 being odd exceptions withe the Merc being a diesel PHEV and the Polestar being from another planet.

https://leasing.com/top-picks/best-hybrids-for-electric-range-plug-in/

[philip42h]

17 minutes ago, kucyk said:

Also, no gear shifting in EV mode. For reference, CX60 is making some horrible noises in EV mode.

There's no gear shifting in the HEV either! 😉

[ColinB]

I briefly considered a PHEV when looking at my RAV4, however they were much more expensive and therefore the increased repayments and especially the higher VED for the five years would more than wipe out any petrol savings.

PHEVS make the most sense for company car drivers with the much reduced benefit in kind tax penalty.

[HSDish]

Heard from my local Toyota dealer that standard RAV 4 hybrid/ HV 2023 will be able to preheat/cool cabin from MyT. 

To sum my wishes up...

I would realy like a RAV 4 PHEV with 11kWh onboard charger (able to charge faster than current modell) with ability to pre heat seats from MyT app and ability to adjust hight at pasanger seat

[philip42h]

14 hours ago, HSDish said:

Heard from my local Toyota dealer that standard RAV 4 hybrid/ HV 2023 will be able to preheat/cool cabin from MyT. 

That strikes me as unlikely - but what do I know? 😉

Cabin precondition on the HEV would require the ability to start the engine remotely which would be fraught with problems. Without the engine running enabling preconditioning would give us a good chance of getting into a nice warm / cool car that won't start!

You already have preconditioning in the PHEV courtesy of the bigger traction Battery.

[nlee]

6 hours ago, philip42h said:

Cabin precondition on the HEV would require the ability to start the engine remotely which would be fraught with problems

My wife's Yaris Excel does just that.

[Hayzee]

1 hour ago, nlee said:

My wife's Yaris Excel does just that.

My previous Volvo XC60 and XC90 both had pre-conditioning by starting the ICE remotely 

[Strangely Brown]

Given that it is (or at least it was as far as I can remember) illegal to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running I wonder how remote starting of an ICE can be allowed.

ETA: A quick check shows that it is illegal if the vehicle is on a public road. If on your driveway then you're OK.

[Hayzee]

1 hour ago, Strangely Brown said:

Given that it is (or at least it was as far as I can remember) illegal to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running I wonder how remote starting of an ICE can be allowed.

ETA: A quick check shows that it is illegal if the vehicle is on a public road. If on your driveway then you're OK.

Or in a car park

[Strangely Brown]

47 minutes ago, Hayzee said:

Or in a car park

You're opening a can of worms there. It would depend on whether the car park is a public place and/or the public can be expected to be found there. It all gets a bit murky quite quickly as to what is defined as what.

Bottom line is that you shouldn't leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running unnecessarily. I suspect strongly that cabin-preconditioning would not qualify as necessary. It may be convenient, but it's not really necessary. 🙂

Anyway... my HEV doesn't have the option so it's all academic for me.

[Hayzee]

54 minutes ago, Strangely Brown said:

You're opening a can of worms there. It would depend on whether the car park is a public place and/or the public can be expected to be found there. It all gets a bit murky quite quickly as to what is defined as what.

Bottom line is that you shouldn't leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running unnecessarily. I suspect strongly that cabin-preconditioning would not qualify as necessary. It may be convenient, but it's not really necessary. 🙂

Volvo still do same today with some qualifiers before you set it going, so I assume they are very aware of local laws/ regulations.

[HSDish]

Anything new about longer range on EV and posibillitie to charge faster, on Rav4 phev.

( VAG phev cars has that now)

[Nick72]

On 7/24/2023 at 3:53 PM, kucyk said:

In fairness, the RAV4 Plug-in has one of the fastest, if not the fastest, charger on board among all plug-in hybrids available.

If you want to increase your EV distance, you should buy an electric car 😇

Though my Pug 3008 hybrid4 GT 300 charged faster. 7.4kW to match max output from my wall box. 

Drive train didn't work well and sometimes not at all but that's besides the point. 😂

[Nick72]

On 7/28/2023 at 9:38 AM, philip42h said:

That strikes me as unlikely - but what do I know? 😉

Cabin precondition on the HEV would require the ability to start the engine remotely which would be fraught with problems. Without the engine running enabling preconditioning would give us a good chance of getting into a nice warm / cool car that won't start!

You already have preconditioning in the PHEV courtesy of the bigger traction battery.

I thought the original barrier to preconditioning with ICE only or even self charging hybrid was legal and associated with leaving a car with engine running unattended. EVs changed that. There's no engine to run. As a result I understand that more manufacturers introduced the ability to remote start ICE with the car locked in the UK. Unattended, but no one can get in it and drive off unlawfully. 

The health and safety part about CO asphyxiation was and is a more general matter to which the manufacturers provide a warning. But I don't think this was the basis for preconditioning on an ICE car being inhibited in the UK. 

[kucyk]

On 7/31/2024 at 3:08 PM, HSDish said:

Anything new about longer range on EV and posibillitie to charge faster, on Rav4 phev.

( VAG phev cars has that now)

Only this ... https://www.drive.com.au/news/2026-toyota-rav4-to-offer-hybrid-phev-electric-options-report/

[HSDish]

8 hours ago, kucyk said:

Only this ... https://www.drive.com.au/news/2026-toyota-rav4-to-offer-hybrid-phev-electric-options-report/

Thanks.

I thought that there would be some updates quite soon as the current RAV4 PHEV came 2020.

As I can understand , Your link suggest some news 2025, at the earliest.

[philip42h]

51 minutes ago, HSDish said:

Thanks.

I thought that there would be some updates quite soon as the current RAV4 PHEV came 2020.

As I can understand , Your link suggest some news 2025, at the earliest.

That link suggests that there may be an all-electric version of the RAV4 which seems highly unlikely because (a) the platform isn't suited to it and (b) it already exists but is called the bZ4X. So that report feels like wild journalistic speculation to me - but it might not be 100% wrong! 😉 

It is already August, and if there were to be anything 'new' for 2025 I would have expected to see Toyota official trailers by now - it's not too late but getting that way ...

[Flatcoat]

My take on it is IF or when the next gen RAV is released it will be during 2025, not for 2025. Even if the former, this year still has 5 months to run so i personally am not expecting anything anytime soon. Nevertheless if I personally was contemplating buying a new RAV in the next 12 months I would not make a decision until the likelihood or not of a 6th gen model (or substantive facelift) were confirmed. The choice then is to buy a run out model often at a very good deal or buy the first of the new models. I tend to prefer the latter option, assuming i can afford it of course! 

[DavidinDerbyshire]

On 7/24/2023 at 6:36 AM, ernieb said:

My PHEV works well for me as an EV for probably 80% of the time. I'm able to use a simple granny charger and an overnight charge works with my driving needs. My local trips rarely use the ICE and if it fires it's more likely me forcing it to fire so that the ICE has time to warm before I get to my destination.  I'm not likely to change this car anytime soon but if I did it would be another PHEV.

The price difference (with Octopus) does mean that an overnight charge with a charger would need to be used for a long time to justify the cost of the charger.  We rejected the Toyota inclusive charger offer after learning the British Gas would insist on a very expensive trench to our car port but my wife is 14 years younger than me and we bought our 2024 PHEV on a plan to keep it for the duration of her anticipated driving life so the charger (£1250) is definitely going to pay for itself. In fact after 1000 miles mostly at 7p per KwH it may be much sooner than we anticipated. If I stay healthy I might even get there myself.

[Nick72]

16 hours ago, philip42h said:

That link suggests that there may be an all-electric version of the RAV4 which seems highly unlikely because (a) the platform isn't suited to it and (b) it already exists but is called the bZ4X. So that report feels like wild journalistic speculation to me - but it might not be 100% wrong! 😉 

It is already August, and if there were to be anything 'new' for 2025 I would have expected to see Toyota official trailers by now - it's not too late but getting that way ...

So I read somewhere Musk has partnered with Toyota on the RAV4 EV? Surprising?Struggling to find the link. Seems like a good quid pro quo there if at all true. 

Musk learning from production quality at volume. Toyota getting better EV performance. Or something like that.