Khan Can

[Aygolite]

11 hours ago, Haliotis said:

Khan is pulling in enough revenue to pay for high resolution cameras, and owes this provision to the motoring public.

Khan's ULEZ camera (Siemens "Sicore II" ANPR camera)

https://assets.new.siemens.com/siemens/assets/api/uuid:97cffb3db0008552606664ebd5ef4ffb0becab16/siemens-anpr-alpr-camera-sicore-ii-2-brochure.pdf

Khan's ULEZ camera actually has two cameras, as you can see by looking at the front of one. One is an IR (Infrared) camera and the other one is a colour (visible light) camera.

Siemens contact details are shown below, if anyone wants to ask them why they are enabling Mayor Khan to victimise elderly people.

Siemens Intelligent Traffic Systems

Sopers Lane

Poole

Dorset

BH17 7ER

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 782000

Email: sales.stc@siemens.com

[Basil-BarryC]

7 hours ago, Aygolite said:

Khan's ULEZ camera (Siemens "Sicore II" ANPR camera)

https://assets.new.siemens.com/siemens/assets/api/uuid:97cffb3db0008552606664ebd5ef4ffb0becab16/siemens-anpr-alpr-camera-sicore-ii-2-brochure.pdf

Khan's ULEZ camera actually has two cameras, as you can see by looking at the front of one. One is an IR (Infrared) camera and the other one is a colour (visible light) camera.

Siemens contact details are shown below, if anyone wants to ask them why they are enabling Mayor Khan to victimise elderly people.

Siemens Intelligent Traffic Systems

Sopers Lane

Poole

Dorset

BH17 7ER

Tel: +44 (0) 1202 782000

Email: sales.stc@siemens.com

I Don’t think Siemens will be bothered, after all they’re selling cameras to TFL and making money as well !

[Haliotis]

16 hours ago, Bper said:

The dealer info on a plate can be printed just as easy as the cloned plate number it's self. technology has ensured that. As already been mentioned the camera resolutions are not high enough to pick up a moving vehicle.

I suspect the revenue stream that is received from legit number fines doesn't give rise to cloned vehicle detection being very much a priority.

As always money is the goal.☹️

(1) If the falsifier copies a dealerships details, or makes one up, this adds a charge when the culprit is caught.

(2) The police not giving cloned vehicle detection much priority places them [police] in an awkward position, particularly so if they rigorously pursue a victim with threats of fines, etc.  they simply cannot claim that detection is a low priority but, in the process of catching a victim, claim possible prosecution of that victim then becomes a high priority.

[Yugguy1970]

It used to be you had to provide proof of numberplate to a plate maker and if you go into Halfords you still do.

But I've ordered plates from https://www.carplatesdirect.com/bgs/ recently and never had to provide anything.  

[Bper]

1 hour ago, Haliotis said:

(1) If the falsifier copies a dealerships details, or makes one up, this adds a charge when the culprit is caught.

(2) The police not giving cloned vehicle detection much priority places them [police] in an awkward position, particularly so if they rigorously pursue a victim with threats of fines, etc.  they simply cannot claim that detection is a low priority but, in the process of catching a victim, claim possible prosecution of that victim then becomes a high priority.

It's not high on the police priority list and I doubt even with photographic evidence if TFL bother to report it due to both cost and hours involved in reporting. It's probably the same priority for police as arresting shoplifters.  How many are actually caught and how many are driving around with no tax and insurance and have been doing so for years and never been caught. It's a numbers game and it is stacked in favour of the criminals unfortunately.

[Haliotis]

I am afraid that, if I should happen to get in an argument with any authority, I will apply any pressure necessary to help my cause.  I have only ever had a case where this occurred - many years ago, and involved the Social Services and the Police, when a sickness giro that I should have received was stolen.  It happened in a period when we were moving between homes.

When I realised I had not received a payment, I visited the local S.S. offices.  Here, they showed me the cashed giro, with a signature that in no way resembled mine.  I then got into a situation where (a) the S.S. Refused to take the matter further, and (b) the Police refused to accept my complaint because the S.S. had decided no offence had been committed.  So I wrote to the Leicester Mercury, stating my case and declaring myself a victim of the S.S. The L/M contacted the Police, which resulted in my being visited by two “detectives” (Keystone Cops!)

These two cops showed me the giro and asked had I seen it before?  When I said “yes”, one then triumphantly stated that, when faced with the evidence, they usually surrendered.  I then said I had been shown it when I was at the S.S. offices.  I pointed out that the only persons who could have cashed the giro was those at my old address, where the giro was sent.  I told these cops that I was only concerned to get what was due to me, and that their performance so far was a certainty that they would not get the culprit.  They didn’t, but I got the payment to which I was due - so who cares?

[Bper]

Fighting back.😂

[Basil-BarryC]

28 minutes ago, Bper said:

Fighting back.😂

That’s at Maiden lane, part of which comes within the Dartford boundary ( a non ULEZ area ) part of the lane falls within the London borough of Bexley at Crayford so not sure where van was parked ?

Another crazy thing is if you drive along Dartford road to a mini-roundabout in Crayford and U turn you remain outside the ULEZ zone even though technically you’re in Crayford , but if you proceed or turn right into a retail park car park you’re deemed to be within the ULEZ zone !

Until recently there were no warning signs as Bexley council were refusing to allow TFL fitting them as part of their Legal objection to TFL’s expansion of the Zone

Some time ago it was rumoured that Sad ( ***** Turpin ) Khan wanted to include everything within the M25 but he realised he didn’t have any authority beyond the London boroughs 

Makes you wonder though all that traffic on the M25 with all the associated air pollution, it must just stop at the ULEZ boundary, after all we know the air doesn’t move …Does it 😀

It’s not about air quality…….It’s all about the money 🚗

[Big_D]

Of course it stops at the ULEZ boundary. It can't cross. It doesn't have a passport 😁

It's such a pity about the ULEZ Camera van. I'm absolutely devastated (he says sarcastically)

[Haliotis]

20 hours ago, Big_D said:

Of course it stops at the ULEZ boundary. It can't cross. It doesn't have a passport 😁

 

Simple - just pump it into rubber boats and the RNLI will escort it through!

[Basil-BarryC]

1 hour ago, Haliotis said:

Simple - just pump it into rubber boats and the RNLI will escort it through!

khan’t use rubber boats TFL will be sweeping up enough piles of tyre debris from the roads, brake dust as well ! 😀 at least the air in London will be clean(er) ?

I bet TFL’s solution will be to insist all Road users have wooden wheels, no problem then, only with splinters, I know we could go back to using a horse & cart…😀…Only thing is what to do with all the horse !Removed! 💩

Can’t flush it away, the water companies have already turned our rivers and beaches into open cess pits ….Hmmmm ! 🤔

[Bper]

Wales has a 20mph speed limit on all roads from Sunday. What is the point in owning a car when this becomes the norm country wide.😡

[Cyker]

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with being overtaken by cyclists  

[Basil-BarryC]

39 minutes ago, Cyker said:

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with being overtaken by cyclists  

Cyclists and e-scooters tearing along the pavements near me 😡

[Haliotis]

22 hours ago, Bper said:

Wales has a 20mph speed limit on all roads from Sunday. What is the point in owning a car when this becomes the norm country wide.😡

I don’t think it will be all  roads - only built up areas where there are pedestrians and cyclists.  That alone will cause problems, and I can see the scheme eventually being rolled back to just highly populated residential areas.  Ideology can only go so far before general outcry takes effect.

[Cyker]

Alas, it *is* all roads - As I understand it, they have literally changed their urban National Speed Limit to 20mph; It's still 60 for single carriageways and 70 for multi-lane carriage ways, but *all* urban roads will now default to a 20mph speed limit.

I don't know why they've decided this as it seems rather drastic and I'm not sure what their goal is.

It's things like this that people should be given a vote on, and not just be imposed on them without a good and clear reason and explanation.

 

I don't think there is any signage, so the rest of us have to be VERY careful when going into Wales, as the 20mph will very likely NOT be marked, as it is their National Speed Limit, in the same way that 30mph zones are generally not marked in the rest of the country as that is the urban National Speed Limit.

I imagine a lot of uninformed people will be getting speeding fines over there!

[Paul john]

🤦‍♂️

well the 20 mph zones are clearly signed in london

Stupid is as Stupid does (forrest gump)

[Cyker]

That's because in London (And the rest of England) the NSL is 30mph, so 20mph zones *HAVE* to be signposted to have any chance of being legally enforceable.

That won't be the case in Wales now.

[Paul john]

58 minutes ago, Cyker said:

That's because in London (And the rest of England) the NSL is 30mph, so 20mph zones *HAVE* to be signposted to have any chance of being legally enforceable.

That won't be the case in Wales now.

Are you absolutely certain of your “facts”?
or just scaremungering?

 

[Cyker]

What do you mean? Those are clearly existing signs, predating this blanket 20mph urban limit. What the change means is unmarked 30mph NSL areas will now become unmarked 20mph NSL areas. 

I don't know Wales that well, so maybe they're doing this because so much of it was already an indicated 20mph so they decided to make that the default.

Existing signage may remain or be taken down, and I know the local councils have been given powers to put up 30mph signs for areas they deem it would be better to be 30mph, but the default speed limit in urban areas *is* 20mph now and does not need to be signposted to be legally enforceable, any more than 30mph does in the rest of the country.

Well, unless I've badly interpreted the articles I've read!

[ISL]

Where I might agree with 20mph in certain areas, I do not agree on how it is actioned. As far as I am concerned if we change speed limits or anything in the Highway Code it should be a National decision for the UK.  I live on the border of Wales and half the time I have no clue whether I am in Wales or England. During Covid the Welsh had different rules and often the English were caught out by venturing into Wales accidentally.  I took a walk only yesterday along Offas !Removed!, and we were all arguing which side was England and which was Wales. As far as I am concerned all roads should be marked clearly with the correct speed limit with no ambiguity.

Living in England I live in a area where the road outside my house has a 60mph limit, single track so no way you can do that, but sometimes cars do go too fast.  I walk the dogs along this road and my girls ride their horses.  The majority of motorists are extremely sensible and courteous.

My girls go to a school where there is a 50mph limit on the main road and a national speed limit lane which separates the school playing field and school.  Parents have campaigned to the local council but without success, however just a few miles up the road in Wales you drive already through villages with 20mph signs and it is too slow. Only yesterday I was obeying the 20mph only to look down and suddenly see my speedo at 25mph, worse than 30mph I have become a little fixated on the speedometer rather than constantly looking at the road ahead.

Again we need to have consistent rules for the whole of the UK, and not separate rules for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (and London which of course is what this thread is about). I could go on to mention Glasgow, Birmingham and all the big cities having their own rules which means our freedom of driving results into anxiety on what ULEZ, congestion charges there are, how, when, where to pay, inconsistent speed limits.  

Just about to jump in the 86 and might accidentally powerslide around a few roundabouts at a maximum of 20mph of course. 😂

[ISL]

9 hours ago, Paul john said:

Are you absolutely certain of your “facts”?
or just scaremungering?

 

I think @Cyker is correct, but as you have shown, but not enforceable until today I see a lot of areas in Wales are displaying the 20mph limit (has also rolled into parts of Herefordshire I think, but then get confused whether it is Herefordshire or Powys).  I think it is mainly residential where existing 30mph signs never existed, they do not have to put up 20mph signs. We will see 🤔

[ISL]

13 hours ago, Cyker said:

Alas, it *is* all roads - As I understand it, they have literally changed their urban National Speed Limit to 20mph; It's still 60 for single carriageways and 70 for multi-lane carriage ways, but *all* urban roads will now default to a 20mph speed limit.

I don't know why they've decided this as it seems rather drastic and I'm not sure what their goal is.

It's things like this that people should be given a vote on, and not just be imposed on them without a good and clear reason and explanation.

 

I don't think there is any signage, so the rest of us have to be VERY careful when going into Wales, as the 20mph will very likely NOT be marked, as it is their National Speed Limit, in the same way that 30mph zones are generally not marked in the rest of the country as that is the urban National Speed Limit.

I imagine a lot of uninformed people will be getting speeding fines over there!

I believe they did lots of surveys and consensus was that majority of people were in favour of reducing the limit, but then questions were like “should speed limits be reduced on the road outside your house?” “Should roads outside schools have lower limits?” and of cause most would agree with this.  I don’t think any questions were related to driving, for example they should have had questions like “Would you be able to easily retain a speed of 20mph without exceeding the limit?” On a scale of 1 to 10 do you think it is justified to receive points on your licence for driving at 21mph in a 20 zone?” I could be wrong but doubt these type of questions were raised. Again every individual think they are a good driver and it is always everyone else.  For me controversially I might enjoy the new 20mph limit, Wales has some good roads, so I just slow down and drive at 15mph through all the villages and let those annoying drivers that don’t have the ability to drive faster than 40mph continue to speed through the villages without changing their speed opening the road in front of me when it changes from 20 to 60.  Could be having some fun 🤩 

[Yugguy1970]

Looking on the gov website it's residential, so wherever was a 30, streetlights etc. is now a 20.

Like any law it's only as strong as how well it is enforced.

[Haliotis]

I think some are going OTT about this new 20mph limit.  For starters, no speed limit is a “target speed”. And all speed limits apply on the basis of it being a clear, fine day with maximum visibility.  As conditions deteriorate from this, drivers are supposed to adjust (lower) their speed accordingly.

So, as everywhere else in the UK, Wales will have had many 30mph speed limit roads where it was never safe to drive at a speed anywhere near the legal limit. Therefore, drivers who observe the rules of safety will achieve average speeds of much less than 30mph, so the effective increase in time for a journey will not be very much.

In driving around my local area (30mph with a small number of 40mph roads), by looking at my “Hybrid Performance” in my MY T app., I was surprised to see how low my average journey times are, even though I felt that I was driving quite normally, along with most other drivers.

This leads me to believe that many drivers are taking a knee-***** revolt attitude to the new 20mph limit, rather than making a true assessment of exactly how the change will really affect them.