Rotating tyres for even wear.

[Stivino]

2 hours ago, Haliotis said:

I’m not totally in agreement with this, unless the car is rear-wheel drive - here , a good grip is needed to avoid a breakaway skid.  But this is much less likely on a front-wheel drive car, and here the treads need good grip for directional control and braking.  I have followed this practice for many years, since having front-wheel drive cars, and never found a reason to change my views.

Maybe you're onto something that every tyre manufacturer in the world has missed?

[Eddiefh]

1 hour ago, TonyHSD said:

Absolutely Albert👍

Better tyres on the rear axle is totally wrong by all means.
It’s a myth created by auto journalist by appointment of tyre manufacturers and traders to sell more tyres.
Fitting new tyres on the rear axle and switching older to the front results buying a new couple of tyres every year which makes more tyre numbers sold per car in a long term. 
Rotate tyres regularly, replace all 4 corners together when tyres wear off below 4mm or as necessary and check inner walls and water channels for cracks.
Always have the better tyres on the front and don’t listen the authorities and their stupid statements, those who were pushing people to buy diesel cars and now battery electric and the same organisations will stand against their word in a short time. Some of them can’t even drive cars or know anything about cars. Period. 

4 mm surely that’s only half worn 

[APS]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:23 PM, Stivino said:

It's hardly "organic materials". 

Semantics. Both orange oil and petroleum mineral oils are organic in that they are carbon based. The author is probably more referring orange oil being renewable. That would make it a circular material 😉

[Stivino]

1 hour ago, APS said:

Semantics. Both orange oil and petroleum mineral oils are organic in that they are carbon based. The author is probably more referring orange oil being renewable. That would make it a circular material 😉

I have no idea what "organic materials" were being alluded to but, I'm quite sure it wasn't a dribble of orange juice. 

[TonyHSD]

1 hour ago, Eddiefh said:

4 mm surely that’s only half worn 

This is where the tread stops working properly in slippery conditions especially if the tyres are very old and harder than when new.
Water disperse is also gradually reduced when you are driving over deep water at speeds. Tyres can be ok for longer than 5 years and driven down to bare minimum but all that comes at a price and bring risk along. Everyone free to make their own choice and there is nothing wrong as long as is within the law. 👍

Here what I have taken out and replaced with. 65000 miles over three summers I think was enough. Probably would have kept them for another 30k miles or 6-12 months  if it was spring time but in autumn I decided to buy new and did not regret at all. They worked very well even over snow., a real surprise to me. 👌

 

[GBgraham]

65000, wow that is steady driving.

[TonyHSD]

5 hours ago, GBgraham said:

65000, wow that is steady driving.

It is indeed.
Every day I come here and write and read some posts, then in the evening I go to work. The next morning my car is now older with 200+ miles on average which equals 35-50k miles per year, the typical business use. 👌

[Mushu84]

Hi all,

What I'm personally doing on my cars is respect the Toyota owners book rotation plan as that is the way to maintain the car properly advised by Toyota.

How much each of us what to use the tires is up to personal preference but normally I would recommend to respect what the book says. Personally I keep a set about 4 or 5 year and then I change them due to age as I can fell the tires feel like plastic especially on rain ignoring the miles as long as they are not over 50k.

 

[philip42h]

19 minutes ago, Mushu84 said:

What I'm personally doing on my cars is respect the Toyota owners book rotation plan as that is the way to maintain the car properly advised by Toyota.

The only issue with that is that Toyota assume that you have asymmetric or non-directional tyres fitted - that is tyres that are either unmarked on the sidewall or marked Outside on the side you can see (and Inside on the other).

If you have directional tyres fitted - that is ones that show the direction of rotation on the sidewall. Such tyres can be swapped front to back but must not be moved to the other side of the car (without being removed from the rim and refitted the correct way around).

Modern tyres, particularly All-Season and Winter tyres, tend to be directional and display a noticeable V pattern to the tread grooves ...

[ISL]

Have never rotated tyres, but guess its maybe due to owning cars with different size wheels/tyres on front and rear axles, so impossible to rotate tyres.  I always feel like tyres are like a good pair of shoes, they wear accordingly due to tyre pressures, suspension setup, and can improve with age.  

[Mushu84]

11 minutes ago, philip42h said:

The only issue with that is that Toyota assume that you have asymmetric or non-directional tyres fitted - that is tyres that are either unmarked on the sidewall or marked Outside on the side you can see (and Inside on the other).

If you have directional tyres fitted - that is ones that show the direction of rotation on the sidewall. Such tyres can be swapped front to back but must not be moved to the other side of the car (without being removed from the rim and refitted the correct way around).

Modern tyres, particularly All-Season and Winter tyres, tend to be directional and display a noticeable V pattern to the tread grooves ...

Hi Philip,

That is not an issue even with directional thread, normally I balance them yearly or every 2 years due to a lot of potholes that I encounter on the roads, so you can move the tires around at the tire shop.

13 minutes ago, ISL said:

Have never rotated tyres, but guess its maybe due to owning cars with different size wheels/tyres on front and rear axles, so impossible to rotate tyres.  I always feel like tyres are like a good pair of shoes, they wear accordingly due to tyre pressures, suspension setup, and can improve with age.  

For sure if you have different tire sizes you can't rotate. What do you drive that has different size front and back 😛 ?

[ISL]

9 hours ago, Mushu84 said:For sure if you have different tire sizes you can't rotate. What do you drive that has different size front and back 😛 ?

A 20 year old Porsche 911 with 285/30R18 on the rear and 225/40R18 on the front.