Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2

[Bozz]

I fitted a set of these to replace the Falken's fitted from new and wondered if any other owners had fitted them. I paid a silly price during a national promotion at £79 each including precision balance. Have done a couple of thousand miles and have noted the following regarding the Goodyears compared with the Falkens.

- They are quieter

- They have less 'feel' through the steering

- They don't seem to handle standing water so well (and there's been lots recently)

- They tramline quite badly on the M25 concrete ridges around Leatherhead

- I guess we'll see how well they wear

 

Bozz

[Talking Hoarse]

13 hours ago, Bozz said:

I fitted a set of these to replace the Falken's fitted from new and wondered if any other owners had fitted them. I paid a silly price during a national promotion at £79 each including precision balance. Have done a couple of thousand miles and have noted the following regarding the Goodyears compared with the Falkens.

- They are quieter

- They have less 'feel' through the steering

- They don't seem to handle standing water so well (and there's been lots recently)

- They tramline quite badly on the M25 concrete ridges around Leatherhead

- I guess we'll see how well they wear

 

Bozz

Interesting feedback thank you. 

The tram lining may be a tracking issue (front wheels toed out?), so well worth getting wheel alignment checked.  However - in my experience if tracking is currently at fault, the tyres will have worn in to that "shape", and will still tramline and bump steer after correction.  Likely fix will be to swap tyres front to rear or to replace fronts.

How many miles did you get out of Falkens?  

[hengeli]

Falkens through my experience once half worn are dangerous in the wet, I would rate Good Year tyres a bit lower than Michelin and Continental.

For feel, try Continental in future or even Bridgestone, Michelin wear the best though, just don't expect a whole lot of steering feedback from them.

[jcps001]

Those tyres are really good, and highly rated.

Tyre reviews gave very high marks to those Goodyears.

User TonyHSD recommends those tyres, and they're some of the tyres I am seriously considering for the replacement I will do next year...

However, lately, I am also considering Pirelli Cinturato P7 C2. Tyre reviews guy loved them. And they sell at very good price.

[Auris James]

I have the same tyres on a 2015 Auris Hybrid TS.

Had Continental Eco contact 5 or 6 when bought at 5 years old. They were noisy and fronts perished, but 5 years old with cracking sidewalls and worn out at 28,000 miles with around 3mm left.  After a short while replaced for the Goodyears.

Can't say I have noticed any issues, except not been on concrete motorways. Had them on for around 2 years. Fronts on around 3.7-4mm and rears 6mm. May rotate them, then new set sometime next year. Grip never felt any scary moments and always drive to the conditions/speed limit. I don't feel any feedback as the Auris steering if far too light.

Would buy the same. Had them supplied and fitted by the dealer. 

James.

[TonyHSD]

Hi all, 

I am actually surprised by the OP he finds these tyres has negatives and all he mentioned above could be as a result of wrong tyre pressures or defective tyres or as suggested alignment issues. 

I am on my second set of these tyres with size 205/55 16 and I can tell that these are the best summer touring tyres by far.
Comfortable, quiet, not as quiet as v shaped all season but amongst the summer one probably the quietest, grip, this is where they exceed anything else, they are so good that you only ever find when compared to others directly. Deep water disperse is very good, they even work on dry snow and ice when new.
Braking and acceleration, sharp turns , emergency stops, roundabouts at speeds you name it these are great by all means and also lasts long, very long, I get well over 60000 miles , current set at just over 30000 miles and they are 5.5mm all around, wear also very evenly, rotating every 10k miles.  Pressure needs frequently checked to make sure they are set exactly the correct numbers and just slightly above as they have very soft side walls.  I run them at 2.35 bar front and 2.25 bar rear at around 12-16C° 
The steering response is good and they does not make the car steering feel vague and too light in comparison to others summer or particularly all seasons tyres. Another huge benefit to the hybrids is how easy they rotate, very low drag and the car goes in ev mode for ages where with other tyres previously fitted on the car simply slows down too quickly like it does have stronger regenerative braking, this affects efficiency.
The name for these stands correct efficient 👍 grip 👍 performance 👍 2 👍 these are better than previous model. 
All above only as my personal experience and preferences.
Some others may not like these as much as I do.
I drive a lot and try usually many different cars equipped with different tyres, I have some base to compare but all it’s subjective.
You better do your own research and consideration. 
Regards 
 

[Willss]

I run them on both my cars (auris and avensis tourers). Probably on 4th set between the 2. I get 18-25k out of a set depending on front/rear and amount of rotation on basis of my rural driving (virtually no cruising).  Quiet, grip well and no complaints. Prefer to the Michelin primacy 3 I used to use in terms of grip and longevity.

[Bozz]

On 11/14/2023 at 1:08 PM, TonyHSD said:

Hi all, 

I am actually surprised by the OP he finds these tyres has negatives and all he mentioned above could be as a result of wrong tyre pressures or defective tyres or as suggested alignment issues. 

I am on my second set of these tyres with size 205/55 16 and I can tell that these are the best summer touring tyres by far.
Comfortable, quiet, not as quiet as v shaped all season but amongst the summer one probably the quietest, grip, this is where they exceed anything else, they are so good that you only ever find when compared to others directly. Deep water disperse is very good, they even work on dry snow and ice when new.
Braking and acceleration, sharp turns , emergency stops, roundabouts at speeds you name it these are great by all means and also lasts long, very long, I get well over 60000 miles , current set at just over 30000 miles and they are 5.5mm all around, wear also very evenly, rotating every 10k miles.  Pressure needs frequently checked to make sure they are set exactly the correct numbers and just slightly above as they have very soft side walls.  I run them at 2.35 bar front and 2.25 bar rear at around 12-16C° 
The steering response is good and they does not make the car steering feel vague and too light in comparison to others summer or particularly all seasons tyres. Another huge benefit to the hybrids is how easy they rotate, very low drag and the car goes in ev mode for ages where with other tyres previously fitted on the car simply slows down too quickly like it does have stronger regenerative braking, this affects efficiency.
The name for these stands correct efficient 👍 grip 👍 performance 👍 2 👍 these are better than previous model. 
All above only as my personal experience and preferences.
Some others may not like these as much as I do.
I drive a lot and try usually many different cars equipped with different tyres, I have some base to compare but all it’s subjective.
You better do your own research and consideration. 
Regards 
 

I have the 17" version of these tyres and am religious with maintaining tyre pressures at the manufacturers recommended settings. The car has no issues with wheel alignment either having just been checked and found to be spot on.

The section of motorway I mentioned has a unique combination of transverse and longitudinal ridges that have created a strange tramlining nervousness in all my most recent cars and tyre combinations except the Falkens. I also remember one particularly flooded section of the A30 in Devon where the Falkens surprised me at their aquaplaning resistance. 

The Goodyears are undoubtedly quieter and  hopefully will last longer than the Falkens. Economy wise I guess I'll have to wait until next summer to see what the highest average mpg is as a comparison.

And yes, my comments are subjective but like many here I have years of driving experience (45+) in many different cars over hundreds of thousands of miles; from winter testing and ice driving for Jaguar in Canada to unrestricted high speed cruising on the Autobahns and track work in Caterhams. So I feel that my observations are as valid as anyone's.

But all IMHO of course. 

[Louie]

8 hours ago, hengeli said:

For feel, try Continental in future or even Bridgestone, Michelin wear the best though, just don't expect a whole lot of steering feedback from them.

My Michelin Sport 4’s are very near legal limit after only doing 12k. I am 75 so no longer a boy racer.

Next month I am going for the new Conti’s which are designed for EV/Hybrid vehicles and have been quoted £113 each including balancing to go on my Excel 2j hybrid . Any comments greatly appreciated.

 

[Gray86]

I’ve done nearly 10,000 miles on these now. They are wearing much better than the previous falkens. Still around 6mm left, so no doubt these will last well. Steering feel is not quite as good as Falkens, but that’s the trade off for the soft sidewalls & improved ride comfort. No issues with tram lining, and I’ve been all over the country on these. 

[Talking Hoarse]

May I extend this topic just a little please - ie rather than creating new.

Like Bozz, mine is a 2.0 Design TS, so on 225x17 91W - at present oe Falkens (which I find actually work OK except in snow, and do seem a little noisy).  I am most likely to replace soon with All Season type tyres - my favourite is Michelin CrossClimate - having had both those and Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons on a previous car - I found that the Michelins wore a lot better, retained at least some steering etc "feel", and felt just a little less baggy than the Goodyears.  

But the same size tyre is often available at different prices, eg speed rated "Y" (ie higher rated) may be cheaper than "W" - that doesnt bother me.  However often the load rating is the higher "94" instead of "91" - which I think makes the sidewalls stiffer and rates them as "XL" or extra load.  

Can anyone explain the difference that using a higher load rating (ie 94 instead of 91) will make to the handling, ride and noise of the car? 

 

 

[Yowsah]

I have fitted Michelin Cross Climate 2 tyres to my Touring Sport and am absolutely delighted with them. 

[jcps001]

Noone likes Pirelli tyres? Any experiences on these on the forum?

[TonyHSD]

No doubt about anyone’s experience and observations.
That’s why the forum is a great place we can share and learn from each other. 
For extra load vs standard load tyres in this case 91 vs 94 xl, the extra load tyres will have thicker side walls and reduced comfort as result. How much and would you feel any difference in the ride quality will be again subjective and dependent of car suspension set ups, tyre pressures, road surfaces and how well you know your car.

I noticed myself something that no one ever mentioned on any tyres review seen on the media , perhaps the cars driven there are more plush than mine or drivers has no enough base for comparison: 
- The thing is that v shaped all season tyres has stronger steel carcass construction and slightly thicker side walls to accommodate the softer rubber compound used and make the tyres work at higher temperatures during summer months. The comparison was direct between Goodyear efficient grip performance 2 and Goodyear Vector 4 seasons gen 3 on sizes 205/55 16 91 V both tyres. , same car , same driving pattern and places, same temperature, same tyre pressures.
The summer tyres were way more comfortable over bumps and cracks on the road. Noticeable difference in rolling resistance in favour to summer ones.
The pluses for the all season tyres were: - quieter on a rough asphalt which are the majority of the roads in the UK.
Aquaplaning both were excellent but the summer ones exceeded the v shaped all season when hitting deep waters at speed.
Tram-lining yes, the summer tyres tend to do this more than v shaped all season. They also has a tendency to follow the road camber more and to maintain straight direction , the steering wheel feels heavier and slightly less connected, where the all season makes the steering wheel feel very sensitive and returning to centre after turns its slower , but the same time turns are way sharp., very light steering wheel feel. Again very subjective, some will like one over the other, for me personally the summer tyres are my favourite.
The summer tyres has shorter braking distance when pushed for emergency brake while the v shaped will be more likely to lose grip especially on dry and wet. Basically the v shaped all season tyres exceed the typical summer tyres in three categories: 

1. Quieter on rough roads - less noise and vibration transmitted into the cabin

2. Better traction on snow and ice

3. Can be good all year around. 
 

Here all about my tyre experience with Goodyear and Toyota hybrids plus some other tyre brands and cars. 

 

[Niky]

I am with Good Years EGP2 all round and am happy with them. They are perfect for my very relaxing, slowish driving style. Done just over 6k miles since I put them on and they still look like new. Hope they will last at least 50k miles vs only 27k for the previous Continentals.

Compared to the stock Continentals Eco contact 6, The Good Years are quieter, more comfortable and feel safer in the corners. 

 

I was considering the Michelin CC2s, but found the Good Years with 20% discount and paid less than £270 for 4 - 205/55/16

 

[TonyHSD]

Here how my fronts looks after one year and just over 30k miles. 
So far so good. I think they can eventually do another 30k and one more year if all goes to plan. I am easy and relaxed driver but I do a bit more motorways. This again is 205/55 16. Previously on 215/45 17 which is the oem size of my car tyres never been able to last so long. 

[Cyker]

I'm jealous; My tyres would be shreds after such a distance  

This is the problem with being in stop-start traffic most of the time! Also busy roundabouts. I hate roundabouts!

[DC_Ms]

On 11/14/2023 at 1:08 PM, TonyHSD said:

Hi all, 

I am actually surprised by the OP he finds these tyres has negatives and all he mentioned above could be as a result of wrong tyre pressures or defective tyres or as suggested alignment issues. 

I am on my second set of these tyres with size 205/55 16 and I can tell that these are the best summer touring tyres by far.
Comfortable, quiet, not as quiet as v shaped all season but amongst the summer one probably the quietest, grip, this is where they exceed anything else, they are so good that you only ever find when compared to others directly. Deep water disperse is very good, they even work on dry snow and ice when new.
Braking and acceleration, sharp turns , emergency stops, roundabouts at speeds you name it these are great by all means and also lasts long, very long, I get well over 60000 miles , current set at just over 30000 miles and they are 5.5mm all around, wear also very evenly, rotating every 10k miles.  Pressure needs frequently checked to make sure they are set exactly the correct numbers and just slightly above as they have very soft side walls.  I run them at 2.35 bar front and 2.25 bar rear at around 12-16C° 
The steering response is good and they does not make the car steering feel vague and too light in comparison to others summer or particularly all seasons tyres. Another huge benefit to the hybrids is how easy they rotate, very low drag and the car goes in ev mode for ages where with other tyres previously fitted on the car simply slows down too quickly like it does have stronger regenerative braking, this affects efficiency.
The name for these stands correct efficient 👍 grip 👍 performance 👍 2 👍 these are better than previous model. 
All above only as my personal experience and preferences.
Some others may not like these as much as I do.
I drive a lot and try usually many different cars equipped with different tyres, I have some base to compare but all it’s subjective.
You better do your own research and consideration. 
Regards 
 

What is your preferred tyre rotation direction ?  

[RabButler]

1 hour ago, DC_Ms said:

What is your preferred tyre rotation direction ?  

Forwards.

[Louie]

Hi Guys

Wow what a prolific response but can I  throw a spanner in your works so as to speak.

I have been reading some advertising blurb regarding appropriate use of the correct tyre for hybrid/EV vehicles bearing in mind that physically these vehicle are heavier than standard cars  because of Battery weigh etc and the force exerted by instant acceleration./Torque . Now I am not taken in normally by everything I read but the statements do make sense. Some manufacturers seem to have taken all this into account and are producing a more robust and quieter tyre designed specifically for EV's/Hybrids. 

There is a lot of discussion surrounding EV tyre longevity as opposed to standard tyres. However I can say that the Michelin Pilot Sport 4's on my old Golf GTD  had still lots of tread on them  after 20k miles and my 3 year old Corolla GR2 Sport 2l Hybrid has around 13k mileage and same make/model  of tyre purchased from new currently has  just over 3mm tread. The interesting thing is I did take advantage of the Golf's performance but my current Corolla  is driven round town in a much more relaxed sedate manner and during Covid the vehicle spent more time parked up rather than being driven so what's with the drastic tyre wear. The tyres were balanced and correctly fitted originally by a Toyota dealer.

EV tyres are a tad more expensive than standard ones but  the difference is marginal. I was quoted £429 for a set x 4  Conti EcoContact tyres and that includes fitting and balancing. A set of standard new x4 Michelin Pilot Sport 4's were around £390 plus about £40 for fitting etc.

 

[TonyHSD]

12 hours ago, DC_Ms said:

What is your preferred tyre rotation direction ?  

I do front to rear and then next rotation is crossed pattern FL-RR and FR-RL . 
I am not so strict about mileage rotations, sometimes I do at 5k miles other times at 10 or even 15k miles. 

[AisinW]

I had a good year, too. 2 regular 91W and 2 extra load XL 94W on 225/45R17.   The extra load is firmer, has a louder impact sound, and is less comfortable on uneven roads.  The XL has a stiffer sidewall, better rolling resistance, and €5 more.  So, I think we should not use the XL if comfort is our priority. 

I feel the difference when the XL pair are at the front of the car. It is sharper and more responsive but more vibration from uneven small bumps road.  So, no free lunch, guys. 

Cross-pattern rotation is important to prevent tire noise from feathering.  Wa..wa..wa....wa noise when decelerating. 

 

[AisinW]

This is what I meant about tire feathering from lack of cross-rotation.  I just dump my 4mm tread Continental tires because of unbearable noise. 

It is not dangerous, and will eventually gone too if we are passion waiting for it to be even out.

 

[Talking Hoarse]

20 hours ago, AisinW said:

This is what I meant about tire feathering from lack of cross-rotation.  I just dump my 4mm tread continental tires because of unbearable noise. 

It is not dangerous, and will eventually gone too if we are passion waiting for it to be even out.

 

Good call.

I had Michelin CrossClimates on a previous car that "feathered" - I would describe as the tread blocks were worn in a saw tooth pattern.  This caused a droning noise a bit like a wheel bearing.  As I usually avoid swapping tyres to other side of vehicle (for other reasons - but now I will) it wasnt solved until I replaced the tyres at over 30k miles.

[AisinW]

Unfortunately, directional tires cannot be cross rotated. Left must be all the time left side. Only summer tires and Americans all seasons tires are not directional. We just need to live with it but rotation front to back will still reduce the effect.  That's why I don't install all seasons/winter tires too long. Only in snowy time which is very rare for most of us in western europe unless we live in Alps.

Check the alignment if we ever work with suspensions parts like tie rod or struts. Sometimes the camber and toe are a bit off and the inner or outer side has more wear.  Wear on the outer side os common if we drive and turn aggressively. Nothing to worry about