Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2

[AisinW]

@Louie tires wear are faster o. curves and city driving with a lot of turns.  When we drive on straight roads at 30-50 mph, the wear is minimal. But from 70mph and above, the wear is fast, and very fast in mountainous roads like alps, although the max speed is 50mph. 

[mpm235]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:38 AM, Yowsah said:

I have fitted Michelin Cross Climate 2 tyres to my Touring Sport and am absolutely delighted with them. 

I've seen the reviews for those, top notch, usually first, always at least top three in all reviews. I currently have Goodyear Victor 4 Seasons on my 2014 Auris, very happy with them. When they are worn out,  will replace with either  Cross Climate 2s, or Hankook Synergy. I like all season tyres, have 30-mile drive to work. Work shifts so on road early morning either before day shift, or after a night shift. At 04:30 a.m. in January, I like to know I've got good tyres on.

 

[AisinW]

Oh yeah. In slipery, thin icy roads, all seasons tires rock. I still install them from the end of December to early March.  But most of my miles piled up on spring and summer vacation time.

I wished we can just use M+S all seasons tires that has similar to summer pattern, not lateral and last 90k miles like Michelin defender. It grips just fine in mild snow and ice. 

I am not sure where I can buy such tires in Europe.

[taxidriver50005]

I liked these tyres But  found they wore quickly but more alarmingly I suffered side wall punctures on all 10 tyres I fitted to my car.. Pot holes being the major culprit but never had this with other brands before or since.. I did like otherwise. 

[Louie]

I forgot to add that I rotate my tires once around every 18 months, so fronts swapped out with  backs but still does not explain the wear on the MIchellin Sport  4's.

[AisinW]

side wall puncture is usually caused by vandalism or curb damage.  Michelin Sport 4s is performance tires with aggressive tread; they are naturally louder, especially if we run 17 or 18 wheels.  My goodyear also developed such a feathering pattern if I did not do cross rotation.  It takes about 2 mm of tread wear when such a pattern develops. 

[Cyker]

They are also caused by pinch punctures caused by impacts with e.g. potholes or mounting kerbs - I used to fit XL-rated tyres to my old Mk1 D4D because the thicker sidewalls reduced the problem, before I found just upping the pressures helped too.

It's also why I switched to the 15's as my colleague's Auris had 17s and he (still!) gets pinch punctures all the time!

[TonyHSD]

Touching the wood so far no problems with these tyres and 16” size.
I did run through deep and sharp potholes and no punctures, if it was with my previous low profile 17” would had been unavoidable disaster. 
The first gen  egp on 215/45 17 were having some cupping only after 20-25k miles with one rotation but those egp 2 never developed anything like that and last much longer in terms of tread depth and dry rot cracks. 
The gen 2 egp are nice upgrade over the first generation imo. 

[AisinW]

That's right, the EGP2 has short rounded edge tread instead of deep wide edge tread like Continental. The jigsaw patterns on the outer tread is much less on EGP2. 

My contisportcontact5 becomes very loud from the jigsaw pattern on the outer tread. They are longer and not rounded like EGP2. 

[twintopp]

had Goodyear years ago and thought they were crap at road holding, never touched them since, i found Bridgestone hard wearing but no feel , Conti`s didn`t last long Michelin have long since been my go to brand but i have been surprised  by the Falkens . 

[Don Mac]

9 hours ago, twintopp said:

had Goodyear years ago and thought they were crap at road holding, never touched them since, i found Bridgestone hard wearing but no feel , Conti`s didn`t last long Michelin have long since been my go to brand but i have been surprised  by the Falkens . 

Nice or Nasty surprise...?

[Louie]

Anyone have any experience with Michelin Sport 5s's. I understand they are ok in the wet but harder wearing than the 4s any comments greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

[Cyker]

Are the Pilot Sport 5S out already? I've only seen the not-S Pilot Sport 5 in the wild. If they are, the tyrereviews website should have some owner reviews by now. Being michelin, they'll probably be at least decent, if not excellent.

[AisinW]

Pilot Sport, or anything similar are not for touring but for fun and spoil our ego. It will not last long. Just get Primacy if you love michelin. 

It is easy to see that sticky tires wear fast with low UTQG number.  OEM Dunlop is 240, Contisportcontact5 280, EP2 360. 

[Cyker]

Although the Pilot Sport series are meant for higher performance, they can still be used for touring and general use. It's the Pilot Sport 'S' models that are the more track-focussed tyres.

As you say the Primacy is the better one for the road tho' as it has more balanced wet/dry performance.

I think in the parlance, the Primacy is the touring tyre, while the Pilot Sport is the UHP and the Pilot Sport S is the UUHP  

Edit: Ah here is a video from the tyre nut himself  

 

 

[TonyHSD]

2 hours ago, Cyker said:

Although the Pilot Sport series are meant for higher performance, they can still be used for touring and general use. It's the Pilot Sport 'S' models that are the more track-focussed tyres.

As you say the Primacy is the better one for the road tho' as it has more balanced wet/dry performance.

I think in the parlance, the Primacy is the touring tyre, while the Pilot Sport is the UHP and the Pilot Sport S is the UUHP  

Edit: Ah here is a video from the tyre nut himself  

 

 

And this is the reason why Falkens stock tyres on Corolla hybrid aren’t as good for daily drives but some find them excellent, especially those who enjoy driving more spirited.
UHP tyres similar to performance brake pads are designed for more extreme use , extra load and heat plus they wear faster.
They need certain conditions to show their properties and if these aren’t met those can be not as good as regular equivalents ( touring tyres) or can be even worse and dangerous. 
Push the car into corners fast and Falkens might be better than egp 2 or primacy , drive smooth and relax and you find them harsher and noisier with a short life. Toyota perhaps has a great deal on them as oem supplier and this is the only reason imo why they use them. UHP aren’t the most suitable tyre choice for Toyota hybrids, the standard summer touring tyres will be better choice for most people. 

[t1t4n]

I was interested in purchasing a set of Michelin CrossClimate 2, but I get conflicting info from the Internet.

It is said these tires have very good grip in all conditions, but might suffer from 3 downfalls:
- ride quality - might be stiff, especially if you get higher rated tires, not the default 91H, because the rubber tends to be a little bit stiffer
- road noise - might be noisier especially at high speeds because of the aggressive thread pattern
- high rolling resistance - the fuel consumption penalty, from a dedicated summer tire would be between 1-2% at low speeds up to 10% at highway speeds

Can someone confirm or deny these infos?

[TonyHSD]

13 hours ago, t1t4n said:

I was interested in purchasing a set of Michelin CrossClimate 2, but I get conflicting info from the Internet.

It is said these tires have very good grip in all conditions, but might suffer from 3 downfalls:
- ride quality - might be stiff, especially if you get higher rated tires, not the default 91H, because the rubber tends to be a little bit stiffer
- road noise - might be noisier especially at high speeds because of the aggressive thread pattern
- high rolling resistance - the fuel consumption penalty, from a dedicated summer tire would be between 1-2% at low speeds up to 10% at highway speeds

Can someone confirm or deny these infos?

Yes, I can confirm that and it’s totally correct with some small differences. 
- ride quality - may suffer a bit but not because of the rubber, rubber is actually softer than summer tyres and because of that the metal carcass of the tyre construction is harder, even if you run them little bit low pressure they still harder over bumps

- road noise - they are actually much quieter on rough asphalt, all all season and winter tyres with v shape tread pattern has ability to cancel road noise better than typical summer tyres with straight channels. However all of these are slightly noisier on smooth asphalt, they sound a bit like worn out wheel bearings . 
- rolling resistance- absolutely, even if rated close to the summer equivalent those v shaped tyres tend to grab the road surfaces much more aggressive and slow down the car, killing the inertia, the free rolling that it is the most important in hybrids and evs to maintain low energy consumption. 2-4 mpg down on hybrids and up to a mile per kWh in evs. Not a big deal for most, especially if winter traction is important factor. 

Another interesting thing about these all seasons is that they make steering wheel feel ultra light and very very sensitive, just a tiny move and the car steer to the side where summers are better planted to the road with greater tendency of keeping the car moving straight. 
Also in an emergency braking the all season tend to lose grip especially on wet. 
Conclusion:

all season v shaped tyres are great for low miles driving, and for those who live in area with mixed seasons and horrible rough asphalt, perfect choice for most of the uk.  

 

[Cyker]

They're generally pretty quiet, but tyres with tread designs like this have a tendency to 'hum' slightly - Summer tyres tend to have wide continuous bands of rubber to minimize road noise and keep it even, but tyres which have interrupted sections or perpendicular/angled edges tend to generate a slight hum that varies with speed because of those edges hitting the road at a certain frequency.