Is ethanol E5 ok for my avensis

[DanTavensis]

okay, so I have a Toyota, Avensis T25 2004 vvti 2.0litre . It’s the one that Toyota has said does not run well on ethanol seeing as all fuel has got it in now. What are you guys doing about fuel is E5 fuel okay to use it in the car without any problems?

[TonyHSD]

Same car but made in 2006 is running  on e10 95 since 2018 and has 0 problems ever since. The place this car been used has only e10 standard on all types of petrol and no other option available. The owner never bothered to use any additives in petrol or try to remove ethanol out of the fuel.
Simply fill and drive. I asked him if he is aware that these cars should not be used with e10 , and he replied to me, -“ what can I drive on then, water? ” 😂

[skidlid]

E5 is the highest spec you can get at the pumps these days. In truth 5% ethanol has been the lowest for years, only change has been E10 is now the norm and is 95 RON, the E5 stuff is min 97 RON.

If you want something with less than 5% ethanol you will be in for a long search and if it is available it will cost a fortune. Honestly, I think it would be illegal and don't think it exists.

Would be very surprised if a 2004 car would not be fine on E10

[Mjolinor]

I am pretty sure you can get non-ethanol petrol at most airports. Ethanol is not used in fuel for light aircraft.

[skidlid]

1 hour ago, Mjolinor said:

I am pretty sure you can get non-ethanol petrol at most airports. Ethanol is not used in fuel for light aircraft.

But like red diesel aircraft fuel is not taxed for road use. Get caught using it and I am pretty sure it will be an expensive exercise.

[Mjolinor]

I thought they had done away with tax free petrol in the UK about 40 years ago. I remember the pump on the pier in the dock at Fleetwood where you could fill your boat up without tax but that disappeared when they changed some rule or another.

[skidlid]

7 minutes ago, Mjolinor said:

I thought they had done away with tax free petrol in the UK about 40 years ago.

Red diesel is tax free but only for agricultural and other off road uses. It has the red dye in it to make it easy to identify to the authorities. Farmers are regularly caught using red diesel in their road vehicles and face large fines. Its an HMRC matter not a Police one.

Tax on Aviation petrol (Avgas) is about 1/2 that of road petrol. If they caught you using it the HMRC would certainly issue some fines.

[Mjolinor]

I do not think there is any legal reason why you cannot use it in cars provided you declare it and pay the appropriate tax.

I have, in the last fifty years, bought a lot of vehicles that had been used on red and in every case I just told customs that it has red in and is going back on the road. They never bothered, just took the reg number and told me to refer any problems I had to them.

Just because it is interesting here is a picture of the first with me mending it. Guess the year.

 

[Cessna]

3 hours ago, Mjolinor said:

I am pretty sure you can get non-ethanol petrol at most airports. Ethanol is not used in fuel for light aircraft.

Major airports aside, you can buy avgas at airfields in the UK. As you can probably tell from my username, I do buy it, but for things made of aluminium that have wings and a propeller! It is not advisable to use it in modern cars. The choices are 100LL (100 octane low lead) and 91UL (91 octane unleaded). Neither have ethanol in them. However, lead is not good for the catalytic converter and probably other parts such as the oxygen sensor. 91 octane is below the minimum RON of 95 specified in the manual for my 2015 T27 petrol estate.

[Mjolinor]

4 minutes ago, Cessna said:

Major airports aside, you can buy avgas at airfields in the UK. As you can probably tell from my username, I do buy it, but for things made of aluminium that have wings and a propeller! It is not advisable to use it in modern cars. The choices are 100LL (100 octane low lead) and 91UL (91 octane unleaded). Neither have ethanol in them. However, lead is not good for the catalytic converter and probably other parts such as the oxygen sensor. 91 octane is below the minimum RON of 95 specified in the manual for my 2015 T27 petrol estate.

Just out of interest do you know how much it costs roughly?

 

[Cessna]

3 hours ago, Mjolinor said:

Just out of interest do you know how much it costs roughly?

It varies from airfield to airfield, but at the moment it's around £2 per litre. I guess that's due to it being a low volume product (compared to garage forecourt petrol) and because it has to meet stringent quality controls for aviation use.

[Roker]

8 hours ago, DanTavensis said:

okay, so I have a Toyota, Avensis T25 2004 vvti 2.0litre . It’s the one that Toyota has said does not run well on ethanol seeing as all fuel has got it in now. What are you guys doing about fuel is E5 fuel okay to use it in the car without any problems?

I had a 2005 Avensis 1. 8 which ran on either E5 or E10 there is a published list for engine types.

[TonyHSD]

11 hours ago, Roker said:

I had a 2005 Avensis 1. 8 which ran on either E5 or E10 there is a published list for engine types.

Any engine except 2.0 direct injection are fine on e10. 
Although my relatives Avensis 2.0 now over 5 years been used in e10 and has no issues, they drive it every day.  

[MrAurisT]

Mine, albeit a 2010, has run on E10 fine. I do put the odd tank of E5 in from time to time or mix E5 and E10, but mainly as the petrol companies add more 'cleaners' into the E5 (or so I am told). Please see a cut/paste from Esso's website.

 

"Our Synergy Supreme+ 99 petrol has more cleaning power than our regular petrol – and includes molecules engineered to reduce friction in your engine and help moving parts work more efficiently".

[Konrad C]

No problems with the E10 on my 2009 ('58 plate) 1.8 Valvematic. I did have an idle/sudden revving problem, but was down to the fake spark plugs. I also now using genuine Denso SC16HR11 from the original SC20HR11, as Toyota changed the spec. The car runs very smooth and the fuel consumption seems fine.

[Harry Carri]

I thought that the advice with the 2 litre engines of that vintage was to use E5 rather than E10. In which case E5 is the best choice available at retail service stations. 

I did hear that Esso E5 was very low in Ethanol so possibly E0 but I don't think that was going to last forever. It was a year ago and in the East Midlands area so not necessarily the same nationally and a verbal claim. 

[Harry Carri]

Government website https://check-vehicle-compatibility-e10-petrol.service.gov.uk/manufacturer/Toyota 

Looks like you are OK according to that information.