Window Shopping - Yaris Cross Excel

[152bobby]

Well, I'm still very much window shopping for a Yaris Cross Excel, not sure if the AWD model or just the 2WD.

It's bloody like getting blood out of a stone getting a decent trade in value and believe it or not Cazoo have offered the most and Toyota dealers seem to offer the least and be the most expensive.

Northern Ireland seem to be the cheapest, but last time I was in NI, I was shot at and nearly got blown up !!

One thing I found out about Cazoo today, is that ALL their cars come only with one key, who on earth decided that and what do they do with all the 2nd keys !!!

And as usual, cars up North are cheaper than the rip off South !!

[Gren]

9 hours ago, 152bobby said:

Northern Ireland seem to be the cheapest

Be aware if you consider a car from NI between 3-4 years old, as it won;t have a MOT (1st one at 4 years) but if you buy it as a England/Wales/Scotland keeper you will need to go straight to a MOT station the moment you get off the ferry.

[152bobby]

34 minutes ago, Gren said:

Be aware if you consider a car from NI between 3-4 years old, as it won;t have a MOT (1st one at 4 years) but if you buy it as a England/Wales/Scotland keeper you will need to go straight to a MOT station the moment you get off the ferry.

Yes, I found that during my online research, 👍

[RonYarisX]

13 hours ago, 152bobby said:

Well, I'm still very much window shopping for a Yaris Cross Excel, not sure if the AWD model or just the 2WD.

It's !Removed! like getting blood out of a stone getting a decent trade in value and believe it or not Cazoo have offered the most and Toyota dealers seem to offer the least and be the most expensive.

Northern Ireland seem to be the cheapest, but last time I was in NI, I was shot at and nearly got blown up !!

One thing I found out about Cazoo today, is that ALL their cars come only with one key, who on earth decided that and what do they do with all the 2nd keys !!!

And as usual, cars up North are cheaper than the rip off South !!

Trade-in value is a whole topic on it's own. What I will say is the market is in the process of becoming 'normal' again - it's a really crap time to change a car IMO because dealers are still asking inflated prices as if there was a supply issue.

Be VERY, VERY wary of Cazoo in fact I'd go as far as to say ignore them. Their business has been in trouble for sometime - they've closed lots of branches. I sold my car ( not Toyota ) to the people who took over a Cazoo site up here in Scotland - Peter Vardy.

Speaking of which - I sold my car to them for £22500 in August. Other popular buyers were offering £21k and upwards. The local franchised dealer wasn't buying, the next franchised dealer offered £19k. I think franchised dealers have more overheads - best going thru their buying service - even if its the same group!  ( Arnold Clark being the perfect example ).

As I say I sold my car in August for £22500. I was doing some research for something the other day and entered that car's details with an extra few thousand miles on the clock to account for the longer period. The same garage offered £13825.

Put that another way - my Yaris Cross listed at £30k, I paid £25600 after various discounts. The best I can see a new Yaris Cross GR for is now £27k so...

£25600 - £22500 = £3100 which is what I paid in August.

£27000 - £13825 = £13175 if I had been changing today.

As I say, I would not be contemplating changing my car at the moment until both the trade and buying prices return to normal. Selling low and buying high is not a good financial move.

Regarding rip off south - that's never been my experience. I've often travelled down south as few have been interested in doing deals up here. Never in a million years would I consider going to NI to buy a car and that has nothing to do with the area. What happens if a circumstance arises that you have to return to the supplying dealer?

[RonYarisX]

14 hours ago, 152bobby said:

It's like getting blood out of a stone getting a decent trade in value and believe it or not Cazoo have offered the most and Toyota dealers seem to offer the least and be the most expensive.

Northern Ireland seem to be the cheapest, but last time I was in NI, I was shot at and nearly got blown up !!

One thing I found out about Cazoo today, is that ALL their cars come only with one key, who on earth decided that and what do they do with all the 2nd keys !!!

And as usual, cars up North are cheaper than the rip off South !!

Trade-in value is a whole topic on it's own. What I will say is the market is in the process of becoming 'normal' or finding it's level again.

Cazoo:   Be very wary of Cazoo, in fact I'd go as far as to say ignore them. Their business has been in trouble for sometime - they've closed lots of branches. I sold my car ( not Toyota ) to the people who took over a Cazoo site up here in Scotland - Peter Vardy.

Speaking of which - I sold my car to them for £22500 in August. Other popular buyers were offering £21k and upwards. The local franchised dealer wasn't buying, the next franchised dealer offered £19k. I think franchised dealers have more overheads - best going thru their buying service - even if its the same group!  ( Arnold Clark being the perfect example - use their online buying service rather than a dealership. You can still drop off the car at that same dealership, but their online service will make a better offer. That's my experience in all four cars I've sold to them ).

I sold my previous car in August for £22500. I was doing some research for something the other day and entered that car's details with an extra few thousand miles on the clock to account for the longer period. The same garage are now offering £13825.  You may think that's a crap price but in fact it's quite a normal price - it meant 45%-49% depreciation in 4yrs.

Put it another way - my Yaris Cross listed at £30k, I paid £25600 after various discounts. The best I can see a new Yaris Cross GR for today is £27k.  So were roughly saying:

£25600 - £22500 = £3100 which is what I paid in August.

£27000 - £13825 = £13175 if I had been changing today. That's just incredible. 5 months later on and I'd have needed to fork out an extra £10,000 for the same car. 😲

As I say, I would not be contemplating changing my car at the moment until both the trade and forecourt prices return to normal. Selling low and buying high is not a good financial move.

Regarding rip off south - that's never been my experience. I've often travelled down south as few have been interested in doing deals up here. Never in a million years would I consider going to NI to buy a car and that has nothing to do with the area. What happens if a circumstance arises that you have to return to the supplying dealer?

[Chas G]

@RonYarisX cars are just like watches in my experience. Easy to buy and difficult to sell. Except for my Aygo 2 which I kept for a year and got my money back when i traded it in, buy high sell low has been the norm for me.

[Cyker]

Nah you're just doing it wrong  

I think @Catlover actually made a profit when he sold his hybrids to downsize to a pair of VW Up!'s - They were in high demand so they practically bit his hands off to buy them off him  

The Toyota hybrids especially tend to hold their prices surprisingly well - You'll never have trouble selling it for a decent price any time soon. One of the biggest advantages is, unlike everyone else's hybrids, they've proven the traction batteries last, so people aren't as worried about them as they are with EVs and other hybrids.

They're also relatively cheap to replace even if they do need it - A small fraction of an EV's!

[Mojo1010]

Got my Yaris hybrid gen3 for £9500, 5 years later (last summer) sold for £9100. It's coming down gradually now. And no 12v Battery problem, though it was a Yuasa in that.

[Cyker]

That's mad!   A combination of the high used prices and it being a hybrid I assume; I still remember my first car, the Fiesta, depreciated to like a 6th of its original cost in the 3 years I had it  

To be fair it wasn't a very good car... How was I to know the 1.2 had nearly twice the horsepower of the 1.3?!    

It's mostly responsible for my current momentum-saving driving style, as if you dropped any speed in that thing you weren't getting it back for at least an hour  But it did have that weirdly good Ford handling...

 

 

[RonYarisX]

8 hours ago, Chas G said:

@RonYarisX cars are just like watches in my experience. Easy to buy and difficult to sell. Except for my Aygo 2 which I kept for a year and got my money back when i traded it in, buy high sell low has been the norm for me.

My experience is exactly the opposite. If it's not already in stock then buying anew car these days is a pain but they've made it easier than ever to sell a car without being fleeced by the 'part-ex' game we used to play. Even some main dealers are advertising a seperate buying service now. Can do it all pretty local and not having to put up with an 'Arthur Daley' typre salesman haggling over the price.  Just a small sample:

https://www.wewantanycar.com/

https://www.webuyanycar.com/

https://www.carwow.co.uk/sell-your-car

https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/car-buying-sites

https://www.arnoldclark.com/sell-my-car

https://www.petervardy.com/carz/the-experience/we-want-your-car

You just have to contact as many as you can as prices vary. I've used three of the above and also directly to a main dealer and have been very happy with the prices and the experience. I always treat buying and selling as two completely seperate actions now.

 

[RonYarisX]

6 hours ago, Cyker said:

Nah you're just doing it wrong  

I think @Catlover actually made a profit when he sold his hybrids to downsize to a pair of VW Up!'s - They were in high demand so they practically bit his hands off to buy them off him  

The Toyota hybrids especially tend to hold their prices surprisingly well - You'll never have trouble selling it for a decent price any time soon. One of the biggest advantages is, unlike everyone else's hybrids, they've proven the traction batteries last, so people aren't as worried about them as they are with EVs and other hybrids.

They're also relatively cheap to replace even if they do need it - A small fraction of an EV's!

Oh for sure 🤣

If Catlover made a profit, that just means the person who bought it is going to make a greater loss.

It's really easy to work out. Have a look at a PCP deal and see what the GFV is. It might not be 100% accurate but it's a damned good indication of how much the car will be 2/3/4 years down the line.

Just had a look at 23reg Yaris Cross Excels being advertised at dealers online. The selling price is from £25k at non-franchised dealer and from £26k at franchised.  I think you might be in for a shock if you believe they're holding their value well. Remember, our car's value is the price someone is willing to give us for it, not the price a dealer is selling it for.

Stick your car details in to any of the links above and see how much the car is worth.

Edit - remember, a year ago those used Excels were being advertised HIGHER than the price of a new car. And people were buying them. Someone replied to one of my posts saying they knew the price was high but theywanted the car. Fair enough, but they'll have lost absolutely shed loads on their Toyota Hybrid. I'm willing to bet they've easily lost over £10,000 if they decided to sell that car today.

[Roy124]

@RonYarisX there are of course distress purchases.   We bought a new Toyota as the old car was too large for us but also a repair cost  near selling price.

Time to find a new make and do the deal

[152bobby]

I test drove a 22 plate Yaris Cross yesterday.

I did like it a lot.  I did noticed whilst trying out the rear seats and space, there was some sort of grey plastic blanking plate in the headlining where a rear courtesy light would normally be.  Is this normal ?

I'd expect being a so called top spec model, it would have a courtesy light for the rear passengers.

It's not Toyota GB deciding again, that the UK people don't need one, but every other country does !!

[Cyker]

16 hours ago, RonYarisX said:

Oh for sure 🤣

If Catlover made a profit, that just means the person who bought it is going to make a greater loss.

It's really easy to work out. Have a look at a PCP deal and see what the GFV is. It might not be 100% accurate but it's a damned good indication of how much the car will be 2/3/4 years down the line.

Just had a look at 23reg Yaris Cross Excels being advertised at dealers online. The selling price is from £25k at non-franchised dealer and from £26k at franchised.  I think you might be in for a shock if you believe they're holding their value well. Remember, our car's value is the price someone is willing to give us for it, not the price a dealer is selling it for.

Stick your car details in to any of the links above and see how much the car is worth.

Edit - remember, a year ago those used Excels were being advertised HIGHER than the price of a new car. And people were buying them. Someone replied to one of my posts saying they knew the price was high but theywanted the car. Fair enough, but they'll have lost absolutely shed loads on their Toyota Hybrid. I'm willing to bet they've easily lost over £10,000 if they decided to sell that car today.

Yeah - catlover sold his just before the bubble peaked so he made off like a bandit  , but while it hasn't burst it's definitely deflating so getting harder to get such good deals. Fortunately the hybrids held their value even before the bubble, and were only rivalled by diesels at the time, but since diesels were demonized their values tanked, so the only cars that still tend to hold their value now, aside from some rarer models that have a few strong fans after them, are the hybrids!

 

[152bobby]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:09 PM, 152bobby said:

I test drove a 22 plate Yaris Cross yesterday.

I did like it a lot.  I did noticed whilst trying out the rear seats and space, there was some sort of grey plastic blanking plate in the headlining where a rear courtesy light would normally be.  Is this normal ?

I'd expect being a so called top spec model, it would have a courtesy light for the rear passengers.

It's not Toyota GB deciding again, that the UK people don't need one, but every other country does !!

Any input on my reference to the grey plastic blanking plate question ?

[anchorman]

3 hours ago, 152bobby said:

Any input on my reference to the grey plastic blanking plate question ?

The blanking plate is an access cover for the aerial.   The lack of a decent interior light is well documented on this forum.  I’ve got another one to fit next week.  

[152bobby]

17 minutes ago, anchorman said:

The blanking plate is an access cover for the aerial.   The lack of a decent interior light is well documented on this forum.  I’ve got another one to fit next week.  

Did a Google search and it lead me to the thread topic on this site.  I should have done that in the first place.