Intelligent Speed Assistance - speed warnings

[Beefstah]

Hi,

I'm very happy with my 2024 PHEV GR Sport...apart from the excess speed notification. It seems to turn itself back on each time I start the car, and it's buried deep enough in the menus for turning it off to be tedious. I couldn't even find a threshold to allow a small bit of overage.

Is there any way I can kill it permanently. Carista didn't seem to have an option for it, but I wondering if there's any alternatives available?

[haelewyn]

It's a part of the toyota road sign assist system. The abbreviation is RSA system.

See manual/// search for RSA ROAD SIGN ASSIST warnings.

ROAD  SIDE ASSIST, then >>> warnings.

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Explained in short : steering wheel, left side of it, press the ARROW DOWN until you reach a sign for SETTINGS.

Select OK.

Go down again to settings for RSA.

There you can change the warnings. 

 

I have an aygoX but I trust all systems are a bit the same in toyotas..  if not, try to find a way with the above path. 

Good luck and enjoy !!

[philip42h]

49 minutes ago, Beefstah said:

I'm very happy with my 2024 PHEV GR Sport...apart from the excess speed notification. It seems to turn itself back on each time I start the car, and it's buried deep enough in the menus for turning it off to be tedious. I couldn't even find a threshold to allow a small bit of overage.

Is there any way I can kill it permanently. Carista didn't seem to have an option for it, but I wondering if there's any alternatives available?

Abide by the speed limit? 😉

What you can and cannot do may well vary with geography and does vary with TSS version. With mine - UK, TSS 2.0 - the speed limit display goes red but no warning sounds. And that doesn't bother me at all.

With a UK, 2024 PHEV the customisation settings are on page 607 of the manual. It states clearly that you can switch RSA Off altogether, and that it will re-enable to On "each time the power switch is turned to ON".

However, you do have the options to customize the:

• Excess speed notification method - with options: "No notification, Display only, Display and buzzer".
• Excess speed notification level - with options: "2 km/h (1 mph), 5 km/h (3 mph), 10 km/h (5 mph)

There is no indication that these customisations would be reset when power switch is turned to ON ...

So, you should be able to get the system to a state that you can live with.

[Beefstah]

Excellent idea...sadly let down by the manual being wrong, and the notification level setting simply not existing!

And if I set the 'Above speed Limit' notification to 'No Notification', it resets itself on the next engine start, as the attached video shows.

[philip42h]

Well, that's a bit annoying ...

Your profile says that you are not in the UK, and I merely quoted what was stated in the UK manual ... Different geographies may have different homologation rules on these systems.

Have you checked my suggestion against your own manual - i.e. the one that corresponds to the VIN of your car?

And then, if you have, you should next refer the discrepancy to your dealer - because the car should conform to what is stated in the manual and vice versa.

[P_J]

Fortunately my kids aren't babies any more but inherent beeping in the car from warnings would disturb their sleep, so I used to turn everything off where possible before long journeys.
Same for disabling the stop/start engine when at lights. They would sense the engine stop and immediately wake and scream for the next half hour. 
 

[Beefstah]

Oh I'm in the UK - I just didn't like needing to to give any details about my location.

I also downloaded the manual from the Toyota website after validating VIN, so it's definitely the 'intended' manual for my vehicle.

I've emailed my dealer, will see what they say. Not holding my breath...

[ColinB]

Looking at new car reviews this seems to be the new norm, driven by updated regulations no doubt. There are also new driver attention warnings that sound every time you take your eyes off the road for more than a few seconds. 🙄

 

[RAV4GRS]

6 hours ago, Beefstah said:

Oh I'm in the UK - I just didn't like needing to to give any details about my location.

I also downloaded the manual from the Toyota website after validating VIN, so it's definitely the 'intended' manual for my vehicle.

I've emailed my dealer, will see what they say. Not holding my breath...

New safety regulations I am afraid. 2024 models have to comply with this which means it switches ON after every start.

[Cyker]

Yeah, it's awful - The eye trackers shine infrared light into your eyes the whole time you're driving, and I don't understand how that got through safety trials. Your iris doesn't react to infrared light so the full force of it is going to be hitting your retinas continuously, and I'm sure this is going to increase eye fatigue on top of all the bright LEDs and blue backlit buttons everywhere...

Maybe when everyone is crashing because they have splitting headaches from all the safety devices being added

[Beefstah]

Well whatever the reason, it's extremely annoying.

Between this and the disaster that is MyToyota - especially the 'Profile not syncing' error that plonks itself across the screen on top of everything else every few minutes - I'm seriously considering returning the vehicle.

Great car mechanically...but the software is disgraceful and Toyota should be ashamed to have released something so poorly designed and tested. It's just one nonsensical frustration after another.

[Station]

Hi All,

Picked my PHEV up yesterday and pretty chuffed overall with the drive / quality / equipment 👍

Only real annoyance is the constant beeping and chiming sounds with the speed recognition system.

Come in to a different speed limit = beep.

Exceed the speed limit (even when the car is showing incorrect limit) = beeps !

For the sake of my sanity, how do I switch them off please ??

Any help and guidance really appreciated.

 

[ernieb]

On my ‘21 PHEV there is a menu setting that allowed me to set the over speed before the warning signal. I’ve set mine to +5mph as I’ve found that the speedo reads about 3 04 mph high. 

[Station]

8 minutes ago, ernieb said:

On my ‘21 PHEV there is a menu setting that allowed me to set the over speed before the warning signal. I’ve set mine to +5mph as I’ve found that the speedo reads about 3 04 mph high. 

Thanks for the reply, I’m slowly working through menus so will try and find that setting 👍

[Roy124]

How strange.  Exactly the same question last week. 

[Station]

9 hours ago, Roy124 said:

How strange.  Exactly the same question last week. 

Found it 👍

[P_J]

I also picked up my GR PHEV at the weekend, and love everything about it... except the incessant beeping!

As Station says, every speed restriction change beep, and then every time you spend more than 2 seconds doing 1 mph more than the road limit beep beepbeep. 
If I can't turn this off somehow, I'll have to disable the Speakers. It's quite distracting. 

Worse - going around a roundabout on a 40mph spine road, it 'sees' a 20 road sign on the entry to a road I'm not turning down, so the limit gets set to 20. 
It then beeps 3 times every 10 seconds or so for the length of the next road (could be 2 minutes of driving without another 40 sign) cos I'm doing say 35 in a 40. 

I need to find a solution to this. Then... I'll be happy with it. But only then 😞

[P_J]

Managed to locate what I'm after in the Owners Manual.
Though it doesn't show what options are available, nor whether they are retained through a switch off/on. 
I'll have a play when I get back to the car. Hopefully something in there can placate it somehow 🙄
 

RSA (Road Sign Assist) 
(if equipped) (P.366)
Select to set up the following items.
 Road Sign Assist on/off
Select to enable/disable the RSA sys-
tem.
 “Notification Method”
Select to change each notification 
method used to notify the driver when 
the system recognizes excess speed, 
no overtaking and no-entry sign.
 “Notification Level”
Select to change each notification level 
used to notify the driver when the sys-
tem recognizes a speed limit sign.*
 “Speed limit change alert”
Select to enable/disable the speed limit 
change notification.*
*: The customized setting varies 
according to country

[Nick72]

First thing I did was switch the RSA thing off. Was way too unreliable.

How is the stereo now that it isn't a JBL?

I've got a 2021 R4P dynamic premium but switch end August to the GR Sport R4P. Company car gets cycled every 3 years.

Looking forward to seeing where its got better (suspension, infotainment, driver display, reversing camera, 360 camera, heated steering wheel) and also where it has got worse (like loss of the JBL which was below par already, loss of the cooled ventilated seats which I love in summer).

Is the 240V socket still in the boot along with a separate 12V socket?

Does it come with a mini net on the cubby on the right inside the boot?

[ernieb]

@Nick72, +1, RSA is definitely not up to the job, often sees the lower speed restriction but never the revert to road limit.

[Station]

22 hours ago, P_J said:

Managed to locate what I'm after in the Owners Manual.
Though it doesn't show what options are available, nor whether they are retained through a switch off/on. 
I'll have a play when I get back to the car. Hopefully something in there can placate it somehow 🙄
 

RSA (Road Sign Assist) 
(if equipped) (P.366)
Select to set up the following items.
 Road Sign Assist on/off
Select to enable/disable the RSA sys-
tem.
 “Notification Method”
Select to change each notification 
method used to notify the driver when 
the system recognizes excess speed, 
no overtaking and no-entry sign.
 “Notification Level”
Select to change each notification level 
used to notify the driver when the sys-
tem recognizes a speed limit sign.*
 “Speed limit change alert”
Select to enable/disable the speed limit 
change notification.*
*: The customized setting varies 
according to country

Just for info -

Tried adjusting, and switching off, but it defaults back to ON when you next start the vehicle.

Really has soured my experience so far as I find the beeps too distracting and it’s annoying not being able to personalise my car my way !

Hope it is somehow configurable to permanent off, as others have mentioned it is very inaccurate.

I will be asking the dealership for advice next.

Cheers 👍

[P_J]

14 hours ago, Nick72 said:

First thing I did was switch the RSA thing off. Was way too unreliable.

How is the stereo now that it isn't a JBL?

I've got a 2021 R4P dynamic premium but switch end August to the GR Sport R4P. Company car gets cycled every 3 years.

Looking forward to seeing where its got better (suspension, infotainment, driver display, reversing camera, 360 camera, heated steering wheel) and also where it has got worse (like loss of the JBL which was below par already, loss of the cooled ventilated seats which I love in summer).

Is the 240V socket still in the boot along with a separate 12V socket?

Does it come with a mini net on the cubby on the right inside the boot?

Sound system is good. I was worried coming from a car with a good quality Bose that the 'standard' Toyota offering would be subpar, but its not a disappointment at all thankfully. Also the lower overall in-car noise aids the audio too (with the exception of the stupid beeps, which is the only thing I'm unhappy about). 

Handling is good (imo) firm, prescise, though not tried the handling in Sport mode yet, just the power. 
Reversing camera 360 is great, very accurate (kids amazed you can see the driveway paving through the car image). 
Heating steering wheel is a bonus, though it'd have to be pretty cold for me to think of using it. 

There's a 230V socket in the boot, but circular plug - not sure I have anything to plug in it. 
No net in boot. 

 

[Nick72]

5 hours ago, P_J said:

Sound system is good. I was worried coming from a car with a good quality Bose that the 'standard' Toyota offering would be subpar, but its not a disappointment at all thankfully. Also the lower overall in-car noise aids the audio too (with the exception of the stupid beeps, which is the only thing I'm unhappy about). 

Handling is good (imo) firm, prescise, though not tried the handling in Sport mode yet, just the power. 
Reversing camera 360 is great, very accurate (kids amazed you can see the driveway paving through the car image). 
Heating steering wheel is a bonus, though it'd have to be pretty cold for me to think of using it. 

There's a 230V socket in the boot, but circular plug - not sure I have anything to plug in it. 
No net in boot. 

 

That's good to hear on both the ride quality and the stereo. Yes, circular European socket. I got a converter that plugs in and has a mains socket on it. I just leave it in because it's relatively flush. I think it might have been @ernieb that suggested it. Not that I've plugged anything in yet given the low wattage but may be useful one day. Shame about the lack of net in the cubby in the boot. Ideal little spot for plastic bottles of water. I may need to make something for that. 

My biggest disappointment with the 2021 PHEV was the shockingly bad reversing camera. VHS long play quality and the low resolution infotainment display. Had many company hire cars with low specs far from premium which were better. Plus coming from a high spec Merc also clouded my judgement. So I'm glad to hear this is now pretty good. I believe you can set it to come on automatically in 360 when driving at very low speed which for me is a huge benefit as I'm navigating cliff edges and low rocks on some of the mountain roads around the north Lake District where I spend a lot of time April to October.

Heated steering wheel a bonus as my hands and feet really feel the cold.

 

How is the MyT Toyota App as I believe you get extra functions?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

[nlee]

7 hours ago, Station said:

Just for info -

Tried adjusting, and switching off, but it defaults back to ON when you next start the vehicle.

Really has soured my experience so far as I find the beeps too distracting and it’s annoying not being able to personalise my car my way !

Hope it is somehow configurable to permanent off, as others have mentioned it is very inaccurate.

I will be asking the dealership for advice next.

Cheers 👍

I believe this is the new standard, not just Toyotas. You cannot turn these functions off permanently on new models, only on a journey by journey period. It was discussed somewhere else on here recently.

Google "Intelligent Speed Assistance" there is lots on it.

[Station]

3 hours ago, nlee said:

I believe this is the new standard, not just Toyotas. You cannot turn these functions off permanently on new models, only on a journey by journey period. It was discussed somewhere else on here recently.

Google "Intelligent Speed Assistance" there is lots on it.

Thanks, I will take a look 👍