Mutterings over WW3

[Haliotis]

Recently the media has, on several occasions, pontificated over the possibility of us being close to WW3 - the Doomsday Clock not actually helping the publics’ fears  This has raised the question of conscription being reintroduced to supplement our depleted armed forces, with a roughly estimated 60% refusal.

My thoughts about such refusals are based on the grounds that we in the UK are now a country of very mixed races.  Possibly, apart from Russia, any country with which we waged war would almost certainly involve conscripts who were pitched against their own relatives.

The British Empire has gone, and the Commonwealth is a very tenuous collection of countries.  Our only strength -= if it could be called such - is being a part of NATO.  Our rulers need to understand that they do not have any real force to back up their sabre-rattling should their bluff be called and, whilst supporting NATO, leave it to the powerful nations to decide upon what course of action, or not, they should take.

The UK has been involved in two world wars and, without America coming to our aid with men and supplies, it is likely we would have lost those wars.  Today’s America is a very different animal and we most probably would not be so lucky a third time.

[Roy124]

Put it another way, we prided ourselves on punching above our weight.  No longer.

As a maritime nation we depend on international shipping.  True. No longer does our navy rule the waves. 

Many countries depend on international trade and have adequate numbers of patrol boats to patrol their waters.  We don't.   We can't even patrol the Channel. 

Why do we have to have a blue water navy to patrol the international sealanes?  Where are all the warships of the European countries that depend on sea trade?

We trailed our coat in the Black Sea before the present war, why?  Our Warship in the Red Sea has treadmills not missiles.   Our naval power projection force is protecting Portsmouth. 

We have 10 nuclear submarines with 2 building.   The French have 12.  That is 24 more than the whole of the other Western European countries put together. 

I think we should let the European countries organise the Armies and drop the pretence that our army can do everything. 

Without being partisan,  the Air Force has the agility for World Wide power projection but does require airfields.   That was a rationale for aircraft carriers, but they cannot apply force thousands of miles away in less than 24 hours.

Our armed forces see the Treasury as the most significant foe.  I think we should have a locked door conference,  Treasury and politicians only, to decide what we want to be - little fish in big pool or big fish in little pool.

[Haliotis]

We will never again be big fish, in either a little pool or a big pool.  The worrying thing is that our government seem to think we are big fish in a big pool, and our would-be enemies know that we are not.

Whilst the UK leaders should be exercising skilled diplomacy that would keep us out of getting into trouble, instead they are engaging jointly in engaging us in what are mainly religious wars with countries that will never be our friends, whatever!

Also, and what should greatly concern us, is that we are receiving thousands of illegal migrants who are sympathetic to these unfriendly countries (witness the frequent angry crowds gathering in London), and we do not know just how many of these are ready to act against us in undercover activities, nor what the time frame is for trouble to commence.

It has been acknowledged that we are living in a dangerous world, but the real fear in my mind is that we live in (our own) dangerous country.

[1.33]

3 hours ago, Haliotis said:

It has been acknowledged that we are living in a dangerous world, but the real fear in my mind is that we live in (our own) dangerous country.

My thoughts exactly, and not just with the recent arrivals. Previous generations i.e. Windrush with 2nd/3rd generation immigrants who feel they've been treated unfairly by the government/police, etc and feel they have a score to settle. As previously stated, we've already seen numerous protests and gatherings during the last few years.

[Cyker]

The thing with them is a lot of them were just suffering in silence; It was more SJWs speaking up for them and encouraging them to speak up that brought it to light, and while they feel hard done by (Which is very understandable) that's a long way from saying the have a score to settle.

Don't turn prematurely turn friends into enemies just out of paranoia - It's that kinda thing that's tearing the country apart, with groups with ulterior motives setting us against each other. Things like the success of Brexit has only emboldened such groups. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest tricks in the book and I feel like we're still falling for it hook line and sinker.

 

[Roy124]

@Cyker a poignant post. 

[Haliotis]

Cyker said, “Divide and conquer is on of the oldest tricks in the book…..”

Very true.  Company bosses widely used it to keep their ‘flat cap’ employees in line, and MP’s use it to split up  voters by feeding them misleading information and fear of consequence if they don’t act as advised.

The more worrying thing is where influential people, such as MP’s, receive death threats against their families and/or themselves if they step out of line from what the “weirdos” would have them advocate - to the point where MP’s have resigned physical harm, as happened to Jo Cox.  The police and the Intelligence Services need to crush this behaviour PDQ.

[Mjolinor]

What we need is to get shut of religion. How can any person who believes that extra terrestrial beings rule us be considered civilised.

We should stop buying anything from countries where lies like that are preached at government level.

 

[Yugguy1970]

I am not against carefully checked immigration. 

I am against the wholesale importing of 1000s of people who come from places that has made them into people like Ezedi.  We simply do not need these here.

I am against the insanity of granting asylum to serious criminals.

I'd also like 5 minutes with him in a sound proof room.

[Roy124]

24 minutes ago, Mjolinor said:

What we need is to get shut of religion. How can any person who believes that extra terrestrial beings rule us be considered civilised.

We should stop buying anything from countries where lies like that are preached at government level.

 

I see the CofE is 'successfully' converting asylum seekers to Christianity which of course means persecution if they return to their homelands. 

Immigration Officer: "why are you seeking asylum?"

Immigrant: "I am converting to Christianity and will be persecuted."

Immigration Officer: "Name the gospels."

Immigrant: "Oh, I haven't got that far yet."

 

[Mjolinor]

I believe Christianity to be one of the worst.

PERSONAL VIEW

[Haliotis]

I was born and brought up in the Christian Faith.  I follow that code in that I respect people and their property, and conduct myself in a moral manner, and I do not blaspheme.  But I am actually an Agnostic.  It would be very nice if we have an existence of life on another plane when our time on Earth expires.  But isn’t this in the same vein as Santa Claus or fairies at the bottom of the garden?   I wonder how many of the clergy truly believe in what they preach at the pulpit?  Isn’t it more likely that they take up the cloth for an easy life?

The Pope will preach that he has spoken to God, and thousands gather to listen to him.  But, if an ordinary chap systole food for his family, and claimed God had told him this was in order, would he be believed?  I think he would be ridiculed, even though he had sworn on the bible to tell the truth.

[Roy124]

@Haliotis quite agree.  In its purest form I see religions as a form of social contact and legal framework and the Koran is no different from other books.

I think the issue with Pork is down to pork going off in tropical heat whereas smaller quantities of lamb or goat would be slaughtered, cooked and eaten faster.

Hindus veneration of cattle might be down to the provision of milk.

Using both hands for different purposes might relate to the shortage of water.

So it goes on.

Or rather where it goes wrong is the knowledge is power principle. 

 

 

[Primus1]

I believe in the one true religion……jedi ism..

[Cyker]

The funny thing is there is no such thing as a christian or a muslim - They are both heavily fragmented - e.g. sunni, shia, protestant, catholic, and the factions will fight each other almost as willingly as they'd band together to fight another religion.

Ultimately it's just the tribe mentality that's ingrained in everyone manifest, and it's in everything - Ford vs Vauxhall/Opel/Holden, Spurs vs Arsenal, Yorkshire vs Lancashire, Marmite vs sanity etc.

 

[Roy124]

United v City

Everton v Liverpool 

Cathedral v Paddy's Wigwam

[Haliotis]

Don’t forget Totem Pole v Pyramid!!!😜

[Bper]

Butter versus margarine 😂

[Roy124]

47 minutes ago, Bper said:

Butter versus margarine 😂

Your that be cow butter or vegetable butter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can't_Believe_It's_Not_Butter!

And

"Take note, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! is not margarine. Margarine has a standard identity established by the FDA and must contain at least 80% fat. I Can't Believe It's Not Butter! products contain less than 80% fat and are, therefore, not classified as margarine."

Every day a school day.

[Cyker]

Wow, I can't believe you can't believe it's not I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!

[dannyboy413]

It all comes down to brainwashing, which starts as soon as we are capable of learning. If someone is told that a group of people are evil or bad, often enough, they will come to believe that. Not so long ago, my aunt, Louisa and myself were having a discussion on a similar topic to this thread. I asked Louisa how she knew that the sky was blue and grass was green. She replied that everybody knew that, but could not accept that that was the case because she had been told that. If everybody had been told, from a very early age that the sky was green and grass was blue, we would accept that. Learning is just a form of brainwashing. (Just my two penn'orth 😉).

[Bper]

8 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Wow, I can't believe you can't believe it's not I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!

And I can't believe that you can't believe that Roy can't believe that I can't believe it's not butter. I believe it's margarine 😂

[Bper]

5 minutes ago, dannyboy413 said:

It all comes down to brainwashing, which starts as soon as we are capable of learning. Not so long ago, my aunt, Louisa and myself were having a discussion on a similar topic to this thread. I asked Louisa how she knew that the sky was blue and grass was green. She replied that everybody knew that, but could not accept that that was the case because she had been told that. If everybody had been told, from a very early age that the sky was green and grass was blue, we would accept that. Learning is just a form of brainwashing. (Just my two penn'orth 😉).

Ah indoctrination from cradle to grave I believe 😀

[dannyboy413]

1 minute ago, Bper said:

And I can't believe that you can't believe that Roy can't believe that I can't believe it's not butter. I believe it's margarine 😂

Think I'll go back to the old days of mucky dripping and bread!

[Bper]

1 minute ago, dannyboy413 said:

Think I'll go back to the old days of mucky dripping and bread!

is that beef dripping,pork dripping,or turkey dripping.?😋