Anyone gone from an Aygo to an Aygo-X ?

[hdkagawa]

22 hours ago, Hicardo said:

Guys, especially current Aygo X Automatic owners, what is your average mpg computed over several weeks / months? I think stock figs are 52mpg average.  What are you getting? 

54.6 MPG for March and 55.2MPG so far in April 

[Hicardo]

Great mpg folks!  As I live rurally, I usually get somewhere close to the official figures, so we'll see.  Still about 1.5 months away from getting mine (hopefully)  🤞

[r66stu]

On 3/19/2024 at 10:45 AM, haelewyn said:

Well .. that's what I said before too on this forum. You can't go more slow than in an Aygo unless you buy a 1953 agricultural tractor.
I don't see the point in making yourself believe it gets along well with traffic.

If you're in the back of traffic, you see the crowd driving away from you. If you're in the front, people will try to overtake in every way, also the unsafe ones.

Also a reason for me why my next car, if I had to buy one today, would not be a new AygoX.

I am actually really surprised by this comment, I have had 4 Aygos with my highest miler one doing 35k a year for 3 years solid. I cruised and commuted in that car every day, and when I wanted the power I would absolutely nail it and let that 3 cylider scream up the revs, and it soon got going. Some may think that was abusing it, but they actually rev much higher than people think before getting anywhere near the red.. it’s a lot about momentum. I took that aygo from 1800 miles up to ~105k and it didn’t miss a beat and was always main dealer serviced on time.. commuted all over the uk and Europe. Agreed they are not fast.. but they are more than upto the job and will take it well. 

people are just now used to having lots of ample spare unused power making the feeling of cruising and overtaking less strenuous. 

 

[r66stu]

On 4/9/2024 at 9:24 PM, Cyker said:

I imagine it is a bit revvy on some of those welsh hills!!  

I remember once we had a conference there and we were 3-up in a colleagues' 1 litre VW Polo... that was a mistake; Poor thing could barely get up some of the hills without going into 1st!  

This will make you laugh, me and the missus drove our aygo from Wiltshire to Cologne Germany (~1000 mile round trip) with a roof box on for the Xmas markets 2 years in a row and Belgium another year.. we would go for a long weekend with a light overnight bag for a few nights. (So empty car and box) we would do loads of Xmas shopping at the markets and load the car and box with wine, pallets of beer, cheeses, meats, you name it.. we came back with the car proper loaded and revving out 😂. I just kept the speed down and cruised back with ease. 
 

Great memories, and it wouldn’t have been the same without the Aygo lol

[CassUK]

29 minutes ago, r66stu said:

This will make you laugh, me and the missus drove our aygo from Wiltshire to Cologne Germany (~1000 mile round trip) with a roof box on for the Xmas markets 2 years in a row and Belgium another year.. we would go for a long weekend with a light overnight bag for a few nights. (So empty car and box) we would do loads of Xmas shopping at the markets and load the car and box with wine, pallets of beer, cheeses, meats, you name it.. we came back with the car proper loaded and revving out 😂. I just kept the speed down and cruised back with ease. 
 

Great memories, and it wouldn’t have been the same without the Aygo lol

When I was waiting for a new VW Touareg to be built (I had just rejected the previous one due to it being a misbuild), my wife and I travelled to France in her Aygo for 3 weeks in 2012 with our Dalmatian dog on the back seat and the boot full of dog food/bed. 

We took two small squashy bags for ourselves and did about 1450 miles. On the plus side, the car was always a bit stilted due to a life of shortish journeys but after this, it had a new lease of life and was much livelier 🤣

[Cyker]

1 hour ago, r66stu said:

I am actually really surprised by this comment, I have had 4 Aygos with my highest miler one doing 35k a year for 3 years solid. I cruised and commuted in that car every day, and when I wanted the power I would absolutely nail it and let that 3 cylider scream up the revs, and it soon got going. Some may think that was abusing it, but they actually rev much higher than people think before getting anywhere near the red.. it’s a lot about momentum. I took that aygo from 1800 miles up to ~105k and it didn’t miss a beat and was always main dealer serviced on time.. commuted all over the uk and Europe. Agreed they are not fast.. but they are more than upto the job and will take it well. 

people are just now used to having lots of ample spare unused power making the feeling of cruising and overtaking less strenuous. 

 

Yeah I think it's just most people are averse to revving engines highly - It's why I think diesels were so popular when the government started encouraging people to get them, as the torque band is just right for how most people drive, where you get stacks of torque without having to rev the engine.

It only tends to be hooligans like me who like revving out an engine to the limiter for fun   

 

1 hour ago, r66stu said:

This will make you laugh, me and the missus drove our aygo from Wiltshire to Cologne Germany (~1000 mile round trip) with a roof box on for the Xmas markets 2 years in a row and Belgium another year.. we would go for a long weekend with a light overnight bag for a few nights. (So empty car and box) we would do loads of Xmas shopping at the markets and load the car and box with wine, pallets of beer, cheeses, meats, you name it.. we came back with the car proper loaded and revving out 😂. I just kept the speed down and cruised back with ease. 
 

Great memories, and it wouldn’t have been the same without the Aygo lol

I'm trying to picture it with a roof box and so loaded down that its bouncing off the suspension stops!  

[Wiz201]

20 hours ago, r66stu said:

I am actually really surprised by this comment, I have had 4 Aygos with my highest miler one doing 35k a year for 3 years solid. I cruised and commuted in that car every day, and when I wanted the power I would absolutely nail it and let that 3 cylider scream up the revs, and it soon got going. Some may think that was abusing it, but they actually rev much higher than people think before getting anywhere near the red.. it’s a lot about momentum. I took that aygo from 1800 miles up to ~105k and it didn’t miss a beat and was always main dealer serviced on time.. commuted all over the uk and Europe. Agreed they are not fast.. but they are more than upto the job and will take it well. 

people are just now used to having lots of ample spare unused power making the feeling of cruising and overtaking less strenuous. 

 

Great comment, I've been on a motorway trip to Leicestershire today, and with a couple of points on the M1 being reduced to 50mph due to roadworks, nobody was going faster than me anyway.

[haelewyn]

21 hours ago, r66stu said:

I took that aygo from 1800 miles up to ~105k and it didn’t miss a beat and was always main dealer serviced on time.. commuted all over the uk and Europe. Agreed they are not fast.. but they are more than upto the job and will take it well. 

So...  at 105 k, do you have any idea of your oil consumption  ?

I don't want to drive any car revving it to 6000 rpm. I am simply not enjoying it. That's also why I don't want the cvt.

Will have to go back to the turbo powered engines again in some time.

I wouldn't mind the revving if real power came in exchange for it. But with the aygoX cvt and auris 1.8 hsd, I didn't get any power for the noise it makes.

[r66stu]

3 hours ago, haelewyn said:

So...  at 105 k, do you have any idea of your oil consumption  ?

I don't want to drive any car revving it to 6000 rpm. I am simply not enjoying it. That's also why I don't want the cvt.

Will have to go back to the turbo powered engines again in some time.

I wouldn't mind the revving if real power came in exchange for it. But with the aygoX cvt and auris 1.8 hsd, I didn't get any power for the noise it makes.

I couldn’t give any precise figures, but I always had my car serviced at the main dealer so it had the right oil. I also never had any reports of it having low oil at change time. I always checked my oil monthly due to the miles I did and had a litre bottle in the boot encase of top ups. The only time I had to top up was between 70 - 80k for some reason it used a bit, but never again.. I was having an oil change roughly every 4 months with doing 35k per yr. 

I hope that helps

[Cyker]

3 hours ago, haelewyn said:

So...  at 105 k, do you have any idea of your oil consumption  ?

I don't want to drive any car revving it to 6000 rpm. I am simply not enjoying it. That's also why I don't want the cvt.

Will have to go back to the turbo powered engines again in some time.

I wouldn't mind the revving if real power came in exchange for it. But with the aygoX cvt and auris 1.8 hsd, I didn't get any power for the noise it makes.

(Yaaa-ris! Yaaa-ris!)

 

[haelewyn]

12 hours ago, r66stu said:

I hope that helps

Sure helps.

It tells me that also people who drove this engine up to a rather respectable >100k and didn't drive like +3000 rpm is a big sin, still had an engine that didn't consume oil.

So... that leaves open the possibility that a well maintained daihatsu 1.0 3cyl just starts consuming oil due to bad maintenance (in your case : not !) or really high age.

It's a positive conclusion.

[Cyker]

The 1KR has proven to be a very reliable engine - I don't think it has any common oil burning issues except where it's been abused (And by abused I don't even mean being ragged a lot, but just not being maintained properly). The fact that you can get off-the-shelf turbo and supercharger kits for it just show how robust it is.

[haelewyn]

Went to a specialist here.. he didn't see a good possibility in putting a supercharger or turbo on the car. He quoted me a price of higher than 10.000 euro if they tried.

How much would be the kits you guys know about?

About oil burning  :

I never drive a car long enough to know about the aygo and what will happen in time. From what i read the aygo engine is known to burn oil after more than 70-100 k miles but then I think you guys know from using the car yourself that it is not necessarily the truth always.

For me its obvious that with the carter containing only 2.8 liter (same for ford ka II qnd fiat 500 i think) you cant really stretch up the maintenance without having to pay for it in a way of more engine wear.

So... I have decided already I will change oil every year or after 10.000 (!) Km and not 15.000 km.

That is 6000 miles and not 9.000 miles.

I would (!) do it on 15.000 if I do f.e. 45.000 km a year.

Thinking about the generality of maintenance intervals advised by toyota, I think a 5 liter oil content needs less changing than 2.8.

It won't hurt if I do like that.

[Cyker]

Someone posted a link to a kit a while back (Albeit out of stock), if I find it I'll stick it here. Wasn't cheap though, but that sort of modification never is - Note that I was just saying such things exist, not that you should do it; IMHO* you'd be better off putting that money towards a car more suited to what you're after (Like... say.... a Mk4 Yaris Hybrid 130?   )

 

BTW what do you mean known to burn oil? After 100k miles I'd expect most engines to start using a bit of oil as the tolerances wear out a bit, but as long as it wasn't as extreme as the sort of oil loss I was seeing on my 2009 Mk2 Yaris 1.33VVTi then I don't think it'd need worrying about. Even my Mk1 D4D would use a bit of oil over time (Only really noticeable if I was hooning it about  ), and IIRC** I had that up to 100k miles before it got KHAAAAN'd.

 

As for doing more oil changes, absolutely no harm in doing that and may even help resell value as it shows the car's been looked after. The engine will definitely like it as it'll help keep the chain in especially good condition!

 

 

*In My Humble Opinion

**If I Recall Correctly

[hdkagawa]

Summer update, so good to have this with such well functioning air con and i can even get it to turn on the air con from the last settings via the app as I'm doing the cool down in the gym so it's lovely and cool when I get into it - I feel spoiled! 

Still very economical, as noted in another thread it takes about a 10-15mpg hit on the hottest of days if im hammering the air con versus usual, but I can't feel any difference performance wise when driving it personally (though I'm sure some who claim they can, do) - such an easy thing to drive still fair play 

[Hicardo]

Yep it's a nice little car.  Definitely a 10mpg hit with the aircon on hot days, but better to stay cool and collected.  I certainly can tell the engine power difference with a/c on , but it's bothering me less now than it did at first.  Still - if it's below 20 degrees, I will prefer to drive with the roof open and a/c off.    

[Mojo1010]

On 3/19/2024 at 8:51 AM, Pumatron said:

 I didn’t hate the Aygo X (safety features were good) but I wouldn’t buy another one, just wasn’t anywhere near powerful enough for modern day motoring and I felt vulnerable in it because of that reason. 

 I’m glad some are enjoying their Aygo X’s so far, and I wish you well! Happy motoring people. 😀

 

On 3/19/2024 at 10:45 AM, haelewyn said:

Also a reason for me why my next car, if I had to buy one today, would not be a new AygoX.

Guys you need to try the gen4 Yaris. You will be much happier with this car in a lot of aspects. Power, handling and economy are outstanding for a small car. 

[TonyHSD]

Aygo X  is not real improvement or upgrade over the last Aygo that has replaced. It is a nice looking car especially on the outside, not too bad inside either and the front seats , however rear seats and boot are two drawbacks that imo holds Aygo x behind other small cars and Toyota Yaris. 
Yaris built on the same platform, just slightly longer offers greater interior space, extra large boot, more normal tyre sizes, extra power and way better automatic transmission in its hybrids. 
Aygo X is neither a small suv nor compact car, it’s just overpriced, oversized super mini ( budget car). A lots of people have these and love them, but if me I will take a Yaris mk4 hybrid without question. 👍

[haelewyn]

I think the bigger trunk, wider passenger cabin and all the safety equipment is enough a reason to buy this aygoX over the aygo2. Or a reason for it's existence.

I read an article in a magazine a few weeks ago that made a topic : why you would better spend more on an aygoX than on an other cheaper car.

True that it has disadvantages too, like it's lacking engine power and the back is still a tin can.

If you never put passengers in the back, this becomes less important.

Also true if I have to buy again, I would probably prefer a yaris 1.5 but probably not a hybrid..

Reason : it doesn't pay back the extra money calculating what you can save on petrol.

[Cyker]

TBH I think if you drive a lot, the Yaris is worth it even if it doesn't entirely make economic sense, just because it's a really nice car to drive.

I always thought one of the biggest mistakes Toyota made pre-Akio era is they gave practically no thought to driving dynamics, but if you're driving a lot, driving dynamics make a big difference to all sorts of hard to quantify things like concentration, alertness, mood, engagement etc..

I still get inexplicably happy driving mine around (And it's 3 years old now so it's definitely not the plastic off-gassing making me high or anything okay???   ), and it's just so responsive and agile to track through urban streets or fling round country roads or hauling-donkey up an onramp onto the motorway, that it's a joy to drive on any road type, which is a rare thing in most cars.

They really knocked it out of the park with this car!

[Mojo1010]

Had a Aygo X 24 reg for a day when my car was in for a service a few weeks ago. It's a nice looking car and great for the city etc. Straight away I felt it's not as smooth or quiet as the Yaris gen4 hybrid, that's because it's not a hybrid so engine is always on. Being a 3 pot it also can be noisy, I know the Yaris has a 3 pot also, but because it's not always on its a lot quieter during ev mode. Also felt the difference in power immediately. 

Don't know what the price difference are between the 2 cars, the Yaris gen4 are a few levels superior. Am not bashing the Aygo X at all, don't get me wrong. But if you guys felt it lacking in power then move onto something a bit more. Maybe one day just have a test drive on the Yaris gen4 even if not thinking of buying one, just for the experience what some of us owners are raving about. 

Just got back from a day trip 26 miles away. On the return 26 miles there were a lot of slow roads, majority 20-30 mph and a short section of 40. Computer reads 97.5 mpg, I couldn't believe it. Over the summer my driving averages 70-75mpg. 

Prior to the gen4 Yaris I had the gen3 hybrid, over on the Yaris forum people will know I used to bashed it more than I praised it. On the gen4, I have no major negative to say apart of silly tyre profiles for the excel and gr sports trim. As Cyker said above, the driving dynamics are fantastic for a small car. I used to get mentally fatigued driving the gen3 medium to long distances in the country side, going to Wales, Dorset, Cornwall etc. With the gen4 I am no longer mentally fatigued with those distances. 

[Cyker]

It's good for what it is, and the CVT is soooo much better than the MMT, but you do have to use all the revs; If you're used to that it's okay, but if you're e.g. coming from the diesel world it feels really uncomfortable doing that and it takes a while to unlearn and get used to!

 

[haelewyn]

Forgot to say  : by the fact that it's wider, the AygoX drives better compared to the aygo2, on highway. This is  a big difference.

Where the aygo2 gets thrown around from left to right,  the aygoX that is wider, is capable of not being thrown of it's course by tracks in the road.

[hdkagawa]

On 8/4/2024 at 8:02 PM, Cyker said:

It's good for what it is, and the CVT is soooo much better than the MMT, but you do have to use all the revs; If you're used to that it's okay, but if you're e.g. coming from the diesel world it feels really uncomfortable doing that and it takes a while to unlearn and get used to!

 

I've got the auto and yeah it's been weird coming even from a petrol revs wise (though you also can use the flappy paddle shifters to move them up/down yourself if you feel it necessary) - but I soon got used to it 

[Hicardo]

Ditto.  it's a cheaper car than the Yaris and a class down the ladder.  It's nippy in narrow lane country village environments (where I use it most), plus fun to drive, AND you can spec a sunroof.   Would I pay more for a hybrid version of the Aygo X....?  Maybe, but no complaints so far after 2000 miles, oo except for the drivers seat which I have spent ages getting comfortable in