Disappointment!!! with New Corolla Touring Sport

[APS]

The trick is to use cruise control. I use it just as much in 30 areas as on the motorway. 

[sportse]

11 hours ago, Roy124 said:

If you drive through a  typical 30mph zone in a village at an indicated speed of 30mph and no beeps you should be doing no less than 27mph.

What will this cost you in time rather than a 30mph true?  It is a staggering 13 seconds.

If we chose a less probable measure, consider a 100 mile journey at a true 70mph (unrealistic I know) it would take exactly 1hr 25min 43 seconds. However if we set the cruise control to 70, worst case should be a true speed of 63mph.

This would cost us just 9min 31seconds on our journey.

Is it really worth it defeating the warning beeps and increasing your speed by a legal 10%?

If you want to exceed the speed limit then consider the consequences. 

10 minutes a day 5 days a week adds up. 

the issue is safety, sitting at 63mph when most cars are passing you at 85 isn’t that safe. 

for fuel economy I tried once driving the daily commute at 55mph to see the difference. The fuel saved wasn’t worth the extra danger from cars passing you at a 20-30mph speed difference. 

you wouldn’t buy a car that won’t don’t the speed limit without false warnings, you’d just buy one from a different manufacturer. My Volvo was only 1mph out at all speeds.

[sportse]

2 hours ago, bigblock said:

That annoying beep will save you money, points on your licence, and a higher insurance cost if you speed. I welcome such a device personally.

Except it doesn’t work - it thinks the motorways I use are 20mph from the last services I stopped at. 
 

so it’s beeping at you when you are 50mph below the actual speed limit. 

[Chuffmonkey]

Luckily MY22 remembers my settings and only displays a red speed sign when I exceed the limit but like posts above, the current system from Toyota is not fit for purpose. A few examples below I have experienced.

A side road that has 20mph limit has been pointed onto the main 30mph road, the car picks it up.

The indicated Speedo is massively wrong. Today we had torrential rain and I was driving along a duel carriageway which I know in certain spots has surface water. I was driving at an indicated 64mph and I was crawling past lorries.

On the way home today, A van had a speed limit sign on the back indicating it was limited to 70mph. I have drove vans in the past with the same sign and know they do a GPS 69/70mph. Today my speedo indicated 75mph to crawl past a limited van.

A few months ago I asked my wife who was a passenger to turn Google Maps on to check my GPS speed. 74/75 on my speedo was 70mph on GPS.

If all cars are mandated to have a speed audible alarm over limit then it should slow cars from 2024 down, it wont stop the tailgating cars behind you though as they will think you are well behind the speed limit. 

I guess when I change Ill just have to get used to turning it off as part of car starting routine. 

[simond64]

But did they fix the ballooning on the seats on the 24 excel over the 23?

[sportse]

10 hours ago, APS said:

The trick is to use cruise control. I use it just as much in 30 areas as on the motorway. 

I do this regularly, but the issue is the speed warnings have the wrong limits or don’t accurately record your speed. 

with the allowance set on my 23 to plus 5mph I can travel at a genuine 70mph (indicated 74) without binging or the red sign - but that’s only if the car actually knows it’s a 70 limit.

many times it will warn me when it has got the speed limit wrong for the road I’m on unfortunately. 

now that the bonging comes back after every restart it’s awful. One of the car magazines marks cars in how well the safety systems work, so if you have to turn off a system the car loses points in the rankings against competitors. 

[Roy124]

You all have very valid points.  The only zone I really care about is the 30.  There are two 30 zones - in town where 30, on any display is too fast, a rural villages on otherwise derestricted roads.

On the latter it is far to easy to ease off the gas when you hit to zone (indeed recently someone did just that driving through the traffic calming) and reducing speed to about 35-36 true speed*.

Cyker's point however is the most important one though.  RSA must be correct.   On balance my RSA is pretty accurate in recognition of signed speeds.  Where it fails is mostly due to poor or missing signage.   If my car beeps as I leave the recycle centre 5mph zone complain to your local council.

*I know this from Community Speed Watch.  Some 15% exceed 36 mph (the trigger speed) with 40 being a mean.  The highest I have recorded was 59 and the most notable a nationally known figure who pulled out of his house and hit 45 accelerating towards our signs. 

 

[Roy124]

13 hours ago, sportse said:

10 minutes a day 5 days a week adds up. 

the issue is safety, sitting at 63mph when most cars are passing you at 85 isn’t that safe. 

My maths, that is 2,000 miles a month 🙃 

At least you will only be deafened by the beep beep beeeep beeeep as the speed merchants shoot passed.

Just because they chose to ignore the limits is no reason not to ourselves.

My Yaris Cross will do 67-68 true whereas my Corolla would only do 63.  Both in +5% limit.  

As well as pressing for better signage we should also push for manufacturers to provide accurate instrumentation.   Today cars carry enough censors to determine accurate speeds. They could use doppler.  They could integrate GPS.  They could set the RSA trigger to GPS while retaining the speedometer error limits.

[sportse]

15 minutes ago, Roy124 said:

My maths, that is 2,000 miles a month 🙃 

As well as pressing for better signage we should also push for manufacturers to provide accurate instrumentation.   

Yes, 25k miles a year. The Toyota '10 year' warranty will only be 4 years for me as it stops at 100k miles if you reach that first.

I did contact Toyota about adjusting the speedometer as my Auris was 10% out, but they said nothing can be done.

[APS]

6 hours ago, sportse said:

the speed warnings have the wrong limits or don’t accurately record your speed.

Yup! It's nascent technology - sign reading accuracy is not quite there yet and the speed limit database is outdated and inaccurate. The result is that it becomes a distraction that we humans will eventually learn to block out. Status quo ante.

[Chainbreaker]

My MY23 Excel TS has the speed limit beep switched off. It can be easily switched off in the menu on the drivers display. Can't see there being any difference for MY24 as the regs haven't changed.

As for the reversing lights, that is just nitpicking .The single bulb is an LED and is plenty bright enough. At least Toyota give you an LED, a lot of the other brands still give you halogen bulbs.

[APS]

From what I can see, the manual for the Corolla TS was last updated in Sept 2022. There is no update for 2024 (at least not on Toyota.co.uk).

It clearly states that the following settings are configurable via the stalk:

Footnotes:

1. *2:  RSA function becomes On when the engine switch is turned to ON.

2. *3:  If a Speed limit with supplemental mark is exceeded, the notification buzzer does not operate.

Edited March 13 by APS
Added footnotes

[VanHiggy]

Let me assure you that despite what the manual may say or imply, that the 2024 corollas RSA cannot be turned off permanently. Or indeed set to visual only. It is designed to reset to 'on' and 'audio and visual' everytime you start the car. Very frustrating as most other setting preferences are saved.

[FROSTYBALLS]

Think with some of the newer safety systems becoming compulsory on new cars in 2024 & 25, the ability to turn them off permanently gets dropped and this won't only be with Toyotas.

[Paul john]

24 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Think with some of the newer safety systems becoming compulsory on new cars in 2024 & 25, the ability to turn them off permanently gets dropped and this won't only be with Toyotas.

Agreed. Gov is working towards Autonomous control over 5g network by 2040

this article opens up the “self driving” argument by Gov

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmselect/cmtrans/519/report.html

 

[TrackLink]

I can see why the OP finds the audible speed warnings annoying but I suspect a lot of different car models built in 2024 will now have this feature. Seems like I just escaped this update with my new Corolla, picked up from the dealer about 6 weeks ago but built right at the end of 2023. I only get a visual warning when I exceed the speed that the car thinks is applicable to that road. 

[APS]

3 hours ago, VanHiggy said:

Let me assure you that despite what the manual may say or imply, that the 2024 corollas RSA cannot be turned off permanently. Or indeed set to visual only. It is designed to reset to 'on' and 'audio and visual' everytime you start the car. Very frustrating as most other setting preferences are saved.

I assume this is what the kludgy footnote refers to: "RSA function becomes On when the engine switch is turned to ON".

Complain to Toyota. I can understand that they need to comply, but not saying anything is silently accepting and agreeing. As you mentioned, if only you could adjust the threshold when it alerts.

[sportse]

With it being mandatory now, they need to improve the quality of the systems. The lane departure system works fine, so I don’t need to turn that off whereas I did in other cars. 
 

A combination of camera and gps has to work together to give you the correct speed for the road. It will likely never be completely perfect but could be a lot better than it is at the moment. Also improving the speedometer accuracy, 1mph is easily achievable. 
 

I use the speed limit shown on the sat nav rather than the dash display, as it’s generally always correct apart from a couple of places. 

[MC1216]

9 hours ago, TrackLink said:

I can see why the OP finds the audible speed warnings annoying but I suspect a lot of different car models built in 2024 will now have this feature. Seems like I just escaped this update with my new Corolla, picked up from the dealer about 6 weeks ago but built right at the end of 2023. I only get a visual warning when I exceed the speed that the car thinks is applicable to that road. 

That's good to know...the facelift 5th Gen is on my shortlist of 2 cars so i will have to stick to a 23 facelift model as there is no way i could put up with a system not fit for purpose.

[Roy124]

I have written to my District Council about lack of limit signage on exit from their premises and other commercial premises. 

The cheapest solution for car park owners and other ultra low areas is to remove the 5 and 10 signs.  Wait for HSE to jump in.

When I get my new car, I sense a letter to my MP (who ever he is next week).

[Chainbreaker]

20 hours ago, Chainbreaker said:

My MY23 Excel TS has the speed limit beep switched off. It can be easily switched off in the menu on the drivers display. Can't see there being any difference for MY24 as the regs haven't changed.

As for the reversing lights, that is just nitpicking .The single bulb is an LED and is plenty bright enough. At least Toyota give you an LED, a lot of the other brands still give you halogen bulbs.

I realise my above post is incorrect, a few people with MY24 models have now posted on Facebook about the speed limit beep not being able to be switched off now as part of new regulations. Can imagine that being infuriatingly annoying.

Appears MY23 owners have dodged a bullet as this is likely the only year of the facelift model that doesn't have this. Hopefully this helps with MY23 residuals! 

 

[davejones22]

I love my 2023 Corolla, but would never, in a million years, buy a car with an enforced speed limit warning that couldn't be switched off with an easily accessed, specifically assigned button.

If manufacturers wish to continue selling new cars to people, they will have to provide a solution to this new "safety feature" - and that is to provide a button rather than digging around in menus. I rarely exceed the speed limit, I always drive safely to the conditions and I drive defensively. I don't mind the lane assist (which essentially forces people to indicate when manoeuvering) & would positively encourage any warnings when you drive too close to the car ahead at speed.

I draw the line at a car howling at me for going 1mph above the speed limit.

I am fairly certain that the vast majority of the general public will agree with the above, and it will be a "deal breaker" for these people when considering a new car. 

[Cyker]

To be fair, the car manufacturers are caught in the middle - On one side there's us, and on the other is The Bureaucracy.

 

[VanHiggy]

The main issue for me is how laborious it is to have to go into the menu at every start up to turn the RSA off... and lets be thankful that we still have the option to at least turn it off. I'm sure the next stage down the line will be new cars that have no option at all to turn this setting off... but why oh why (as mentioned by others) could we not just have had a button on the steering wheel to turn the RSA off at every start up instead of hiding it down in the settings menu. After all, there are buttons on the steering wheel already to turn other safety options on and off. The new regs may state that the RSA has to default back to 'on' at every start up but I doubt it stipulates that to turn it back on it has to be accessed via the depths of the settings menu.

[Paul john]

1 hour ago, VanHiggy said:

The main issue for me is how laborious it is to have to go into the menu at every start up to turn the RSA off... and lets be thankful that we still have the option to at least turn it off. I'm sure the next stage down the line will be new cars that have no option at all to turn this setting off... but why oh why (as mentioned by others) could we not just have had a button on the steering wheel to turn the RSA off at every start up instead of hiding it down in the settings menu. After all, there are buttons on the steering wheel already to turn other safety options on and off. The new regs may state that the RSA has to default back to 'on' at every start up but I doubt it stipulates that to turn it back on it has to be accessed via the depths of the settings menu.

Ok.  Just my pennies worth. 
every drive i do this…

On the left hand steering wheel selector. left to RSA setting, select to turn off, right right