5 years hard labour ?

[Bper]

On the subject of illegal immigration, with a constant influx ranging from hundreds to nearly a thousand on some days, surely the availability of accommodation must eventually run out. So what happens then? If Labour grants amnesty to all these migrants and allows them to stay, which seems extremely likely, Keir Starmer could then claim that he has done something the Tories couldn’t and cleared the backlog and solved the illegal migration problem. 

He has also said the "state will take more control in our lives",I feel like we will all be sausages in our own country.😂
 

[FROSTYBALLS]

2 hours ago, Primus1 said:

Thanks for that, so it’s not those crossing the channel to claim asylum as many people and the media believe…

It includes those as they will have entered the UK without authority.

[Haliotis]

27 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

It includes those as they will have entered the UK without authority.

But hasn’t Starmer absolved these people by removing the term “illegal migration” and replacing it with irregular migration?   Many things can be described as irregular, without them being unlawful.

And with the water companies’ careless attitude towards discharge, Starmer should warn the RN to be wary of any sausages bobbing about in the English Channel! 🍆

[Eddie G]

1 hour ago, Bper said:

On the subject of illegal immigration, with a constant influx ranging from hundreds to nearly a thousand on some days, surely the availability of accommodation must eventually run out. So what happens then? If Labour grants amnesty to all these migrants and allows them to stay, which seems extremely likely, Keir Starmer could then claim that he has done something the Tories couldn’t and cleared the backlog and solved the illegal migration problem. 

He has also said the "state will take more control in our lives",I feel like we will all be sausages in our own country.😂
 

Was that Keir back in 1993 on TV with Owen the dog, Sausages...Wall's.... Sausages....Wall's 😆

[Eddie G]

40 minutes ago, Haliotis said:

But hasn’t Starmer absolved these people by removing the term “illegal migration” and replacing it with irregular migration?   Many things can be described as irregular, without them being unlawful.

And with the water companies’ careless attitude towards discharge, Starmer should warn the RN to be wary of any sausages bobbing about in the English Channel! 🍆

"Smash the gangs" wordsmith Keir 'Sausage' Starmer will see us all right or should that be all left! 

[FROSTYBALLS]

1 hour ago, Haliotis said:

But hasn’t Starmer absolved these people by removing the term “illegal migration” and replacing it with irregular migration?

An MP describing illegal immigration as something else, doesn't change the fact that the term 'illegal immigration' is used, and has been used for years, in legislation.

[Mjolinor]

[Haliotis]

1 hour ago, Mjolinor said:

Can’t see any RNLI lifeboat crews handing out hi-viz life jackets and waiting to help them onto the beach.

Makes no difference - pensioners are used to having to fend for themselves, so they will make it. ♿

[Corolly Poly]

56 minutes ago, Haliotis said:

Can’t see any RNLI lifeboat crews handing out hi-viz life jackets and waiting to help them onto the beach.

Makes no difference - pensioners are used to having to fend for themselves, so they will make it. ♿

I expect they would. The demonising of the RNLI by the right wing press and people that slavishly propagate this are out of order.  The RNLI will help anyone in distress at sea. As an ex Merchant seaman I think they are a fantastic organisation. 

[Bper]

Keir Starmer will not prioritise veterans over asylum seekers.WTF.🤬

[Haliotis]

10 hours ago, Bper said:

Keir Starmer will not prioritise veterans over asylum seekers.WTF.🤬

Perhaps he’s so far left he resents them winning the war.!!!😪

[Bper]

Should politicians be barred from accepting any freebies whatsoever, and, if found doing so, should they be prosecuted?"😡
 

[Eddie G]

21 hours ago, Mjolinor said:

At this rate we will are be doing the same 😆 either a one way trip or the over and back again! 

[AndyN01]

5 hours ago, Bper said:

Should politicians be barred from accepting any freebies whatsoever, and, if found doing so, should they be prosecuted?"😡
 

In short, yes.

It's not as if they're on the breadline, in poverty, is it?

These people are (supposed to be) the pinnacle of public life and should, therefore, be absolutely squeaky clean. They are where they are to represent the people, not feather their own nests.

But I wouldn't prosecute, I'd bar them from holding any public office ever again.

Choice and consequence........

 

[Haliotis]

There’s been a bit more on the news today, about Starmer using his donor’s £18 million mansion whilst claiming to be working from home during lockdown.  Apparently familiar surroundings in the video gave the game away.

[Bper]

After listening to many people talk in various programs, it's clear that frustration with politicians is at an all time high, and it’s not hard to see why. Whether it’s broken promises, constant scandals, or endless bickering, many feel like politicians just aren’t working for us anymore.

Politicians often make big promises during their campaigns, but once they’re in office, those promises rarely turn into action. From healthcare to education reforms, people keep waiting for change that never comes. It feels like they say what they need to get elected, and then forget the people who put them there.

It’s also hard to trust leaders who seem more interested in lining their own pockets or helping their wealthy friends than actually doing their jobs. Corruption scandals and backroom deals make it clear that many politicians are out for themselves, not the public.

On top of that, we’re tired of seeing politicians fight each other instead of solving problems. Important issues like healthcare, Energy costs, and the economy get pushed aside because they’re too busy arguing. The system feels stuck, and people are frustrated with the lack of real progress.

What’s worse, politicians seem completely disconnected from the everyday struggles of the people they’re supposed to represent. While we deal with rising costs of living, Health care, Energy costs and unaffordable housing, they seem more focused on their own agendas. It makes people wonder, what’s the point of democracy if they just do what they want once they’re in power? We’re supposed to have a voice, but too often, it feels like we don’t.

The political environment has also become toxic. Campaigns are filled with negativity and personal attacks, and everything seems to be about dividing people instead of bringing them together. It’s exhausting, and many are just fed up with the constant fighting.

At the end of the day, people are tired of feeling like politicians don’t care about them. What good is democracy if it doesn’t truly represent the people? We need leaders who deliver on their promises, fight corruption, and actually focus on making life better for everyone. Until that happens, frustration with the political system will only keep growing.😡

[Benzowner]

On 9/26/2024 at 9:39 AM, Bper said:

Should politicians be barred from accepting any freebies whatsoever, and, if found doing so, should they be prosecuted?"😡
 

Interesting, this morning I have heard a new law that all tips should go to the workers and none kept by the employer with which I totally agree. However said tips will be subject to tax. Surely gifts in kind should also be treated the same way as with the Labour party said gifts well exceed the £3000 non tax threshold. 

[Haliotis]

11 minutes ago, Benzowner said:

Interesting, this morning I have heard a new law that all tips should go to the workers and none kept by the employer with which I totally agree. However said tips will be subject to tax. Surely gifts in kind should also be treated the same way as with the Labour party said gifts well exceed the £3000 non tax threshold. 

It would surprise me if workers in the Hospitality Industry earned enough basic pay for any tips to take them beyond their “before-tax” threshold.  Regarding the Labour Party gifts, I am sure that this government has already fixed an exemption loophole for itself.   Under Labour rule, the “one rule for us, and another for everyone else” is healthily supported.

[AndyN01]

The whole circus would be hysterically funny (or pathetic?), if it wasn't real with real damage being inflicted on the general public while the greasy pole climbers and those in power apparently fly above what could be reasonably considered acceptable behaviour without any apparent consequence.

Talk is cheap, while actions speak louder than words.

[Bper]

36 minutes ago, AndyN01 said:

The whole circus would be hysterically funny (or pathetic?), if it wasn't real with real damage being inflicted on the general public while the greasy pole climbers and those in power apparently fly above what could be reasonably considered acceptable behaviour without any apparent consequence.

Talk is cheap, while actions speak louder than words.

Throughout history, those in power have acted in their own interests, regardless of what the public wants. It’s frustrating to see that this pattern continues, even after thousands of years of societal development.

It makes you wonder if real change is even possible. Yet, despite this long history, we have moments when public pressure leads to significant shifts. While it may seem like an uphill battle, it’s crucial for us to keep advocating for change and holding these politicians and leaders accountable. If we don’t, the cycle will just keep repeating.☹️

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[AndyN01]

Perhaps that's where some sort of "leap of faith" in putting a cross in a different box might, just might, bring about a shift.

Or maybe it'll just swap one group of self serving individuals for another.

But without that initial leap of faith we'll never know.

The actions over next few years and the consequences of those actions shall be interesting to see the day (and years) after the next General Election even if "we" are inside the result looking out.....again.

[Bper]

With the attack on Israel by Iran today, are we heading for a possible World War III?"☹️

[Haliotis]

6 hours ago, Bper said:

Throughout history, those in power have acted in their own interests, regardless of what the public wants. It’s frustrating to see that this pattern continues, even after thousands of years of societal development.

It makes you wonder if real change is even possible. Yet, despite this long history, we have moments when public pressure leads to significant shifts. While it may seem like an uphill battle, it’s crucial for us to keep advocating for change and holding these politicians and leaders accountable. If we don’t, the cycle will just keep repeating.☹️

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The ECHU seems to keep the illegal migrants well protected from any government activity aimed at getting rid of them.  Maybe the UK should have an equivalent, independent United Kingdom Court of Citizens Rights (UKCCR), with their findings being mandatory?

[Bper]

Keir Starmer announced that he has paid back £6,000 of the freebies he received since 2019. Should he not give back the rest?😡
 

[Big_D]

4 hours ago, Bper said:

Keir Starmer announced that he has paid back £6,000 of the freebies he received since 2019. Should he not give back the rest?😡
 

Yes. He should, along with interest