Drat! Reverse park incident

[SimonAdd]

I bashed the back bumper on my wife’s RAV today manoeuvring out of a car park.

Got nice & close to a Merc, took my foot of the brake expecting to hold & it didn’t so crunch.

I didn’t realise hold doesn’t work without the seatbelt being fastened (it was off for manoeuvring only).

Car has the 360 camera so lesson learned. 

The Merc was battered with lots of peeling paint but I went to find the owner.

He’s aware, as are our insurance.  Should be an easy fix as no damage to the body coloured bits! 

 

[Hybrid21]

Ouch 😟

[ernieb]

We live and learn, a pain none the less.

[forkingabout]

FWIW on my C-HR the brake hold doesn't work in reverse either.

[Cyker]

I'm surprised it didn't stop - I physically cannot accidentally crash my Mk4 into anything as the AEB will slam the brakes on! It's really annoying when trying to manoeuvre in super tight places though...

I had the same thing as you, not realizing the brake hold didn't work in reverse, but the AEB saved me from getting the classic Bollard Dent that was surprisingly common on Yaris Mk1s  

[Nick72]

I did not know this. 

Hope you get it sorted.

[Paul john]

Auto hold or not. The brake sensor should have tripped and stopped the car (if enabled)

[Nick72]

7 minutes ago, Paul john said:

Auto hold or not. The brake sensor should have tripped and stopped the car (if enabled)

I thought it didn't work below a certain speed. The auto braking.

[Paul john]

Just now, Nick72 said:

I thought it didn't work below a certain speed. The auto braking.

Auto braking works at all speeds 

[Nick72]

23 minutes ago, Paul john said:

Auto braking works at all speeds 

I think you're right... With caveats...

[Cyker]

37 minutes ago, Nick72 said:

I thought it didn't work below a certain speed. The auto braking.

The older ones had limits of minimum speeds and distances but the current versions at least work at all speeds and distances as far as I can tell!

Can be annoying as I'm used to parking with much tighter tolerances than the system will allow so I have to do a lot more shuffling. The AEB kicking in is really disconcerting too, sounds like grinding gears!

[Nick72]

So you can still crash according to the manual. It uses the terminology " lessen ". And there's a long list of exceptions. Good to hear it works at all speeds. Though it doesn't stop me from driving up to the metal barriers in the rail station car park and I have literally touched them. Didn't get any braking then other than the beeping going to a continuous sound.

[philip42h]

I don't believe that a 2020 HEV has AEB support. It screams a lot but will let me drive my car into a wall.

Under the same circumstances, my wife's 2021 C-HR screams and slams on the anchors as described above. It is really disconcerting ...

[philip42h]

3 minutes ago, Nick72 said:

So you can still crash according to the manual. It uses the terminology " lessen ". And there's a long list of exceptions. Good to hear it works at all speeds. Though it doesn't stop me from driving up to the metal barriers in the rail station car park and I have literally touched them. Didn't get any braking then other than the beeping going to a continuous sound.

I suspect that your new one will behave differently ... 😉

[Nick72]

16 minutes ago, philip42h said:

I suspect that your new one will behave differently ... 😉

Hopefully 🤣

[SimonAdd]

I was less than a foot from the other car when I released the brake from stationary. 
 

I doubt the auto brake would have had any chance to react. Throttle wasn’t pressed. 

 

[philip42h]

40 minutes ago, SimonAdd said:

I was less than a foot from the other car when I released the brake from stationary. 
I doubt the auto brake would have had any chance to react. Throttle wasn’t pressed. 

I'm pretty sure that it would - if you had that facility, which we don't ... 😉

The 'problem', such as it is, is the brake hold function and the learned expectation that you can take your foot off the accelerator without the car moving. I don't have the function enabled on my car - I know that if I lift my foot off the accelerator the car will move and that I have to put the car into Park first.

You describe it as your wife's car ... do you know whether brake hold is actually enabled at all? I don't believe that it was by default ... (Which might have made matters more difficult for you if the behaviours of your two cars are different ...)

Either way, I'm sorry for you ...

[PeteB]

I did something similar when I had my 2019 RAV4 Excel, except I was reversing and in a momentary lapse of concentration was sure I was clear of the car to my right and was concentrating on the left door mirror.  Unfortunately, I was wrong about being clear and hit an Audi.  According to my rear Dashcam I was doing just 3 mph.  I had a similar dent to Simon's in the corner of my bumper (although on my car that bit was black).

I couldn't see obvious damage on the Audi but left a note on it and the owner rang me later and said there was some damage, so I gave her my insurance details.

I got my dealer to check my car for internal damage and they found none, but did day there was a crack in the plastic bumper that meant heating it up and trying to push it out would probably cause more damage.  A new bumper would have been £760, but since it was almost invisible I elected the leave it.  Fortunately, when I traded the RAV4 for my Highlander the dealer didn't deduct anything from the value for the damage.

The cost of the claim by the Audi owner was a staggering £2,400! (possibly some of it was for a loan vehicle).

Even the Excel version of RAV4 didn't have auto braking for the front or rear sensors, nor for the cross traffic alert.  It was not obvious from the marketing blurb, but I was aware after someone reported reversing out of his garage into a wheelie bin and surprised the car hadn't braked, which prompted me to do some extra research.  My previous 4th Gen 2016 Prius Excel did have auto braking for these (as does my Highlander), and given the very substantial extra cost of the 5th Gen RAV4 Excel I was very angry these features were missing especially as it does have all the necessary sensors.

I know how effective this auto braking can be as when I had the Prius I regularly visited a restaurant where I backed into long grass in the car park, and if I went at anything above a 1 mph creep it banged the brakes on like I'd hit a wall.  My Highlander recently demonstrated how good the auto braking was for rear cross traffic when it beat me to the draw!

[SimonAdd]

When I get in it, I start it up, put in gear & always press the hold button.  But I’ve usually got the seat belt on. 

The only reason I didn’t put my belt on yesterday was it’s a bonkers car park & very tight.

I was only there as dropping off laundry as my wife was busy so it’s all her fault really lol

I’ve learnt a lesson though. None of this modern stuff on my 2 other cars.

i love the RAV though. Brilliant everything car. 

[PeteB]

4 minutes ago, SimonAdd said:

When I get in it, I start it up, put in gear & always press the hold button.  But I’ve usually got the seat belt on. 

Same here, and I also enable the cruise control every time - just becomes part of getting in, like putting the seat belt on.

However, Brake Hold doesn't work in reverse, unless you shift into reverse while brake hold is already active - e.g. if you're stopped in D with brake hold active, then select R (or N for that matter). brake hold will still be active.

[SimonAdd]

Just tried it on the drive. I was wondering what the 2 beeps were for. My wife says it warns you on the dash with a message & she’s right.  I was already feeling stupid! 

[nlee]

Mine doesn't have auto braking at low speed, aka parking assist. My wife's Yaris does. It think the pre 2023 RAVs (ie the ones with the older multimedia screen) are Toyota Safety Sense 2.0. I think the parking assist was introduced for TSS 2.5/3.0. 

[Nick72]

5 hours ago, nlee said:

Mine doesn't have auto braking at low speed, aka parking assist. My wife's Yaris does. It think the pre 2023 RAVs (ie the ones with the older multimedia screen) are Toyota Safety Sense 2.0. I think the parking assist was introduced for TSS 2.5/3.0. 

That would explain why I can still bash into stuff at low speed. Gentle bash of course. Bushes and the crash barriers on the car park slots. 2021 model. I'll be able to confirm the difference on the 2024 model in a few months. 

[TonyHSD]

But  if the car has this functionality to stop in reverse when detects something behind it will stop no matter if you have a seatbelt on or off, or should be. My family member ioniq does that every time and I park that car myself without wearing a seatbelt, just reverse up the driveway and the car see my neighbour fence ( very low btw) and the car stops automatically and select N neutral. 

[Nick72]

36 minutes ago, TonyHSD said:

But  if the car has this functionality to stop in reverse when detects something behind it will stop no matter if you have a seatbelt on or off, or should be. My family member ioniq does that every time and I park that car myself without wearing a seatbelt, just reverse up the driveway and the car see my neighbour fence ( very low btw) and the car stops automatically and select N neutral. 

There's some weird nodding on the R4P when seat belt is off. Good example that I posted here a few months back. Caught be by surprise. Auto hold completely went pear shaped after I undid my seat belt to reach over for a bottle of water when stopped in heavy traffic. When I went to drive off, nothing, no power, and an error message too quick to see. So I'm not assuming anything is the same with or without seatbelt because they aren't in my experience. 

What we could do with is a flow chart of the logic.