Bonding with my Yaris Cross

[TDG]

Circumstances made me move on from my lovely hot VW Golf of 10 years].It's been repaced by a new Yaris Cross and below are a few initial observations.

Pros

Easy access & egress

Good adjustment of steering wheel, drivers seat and lumbar support

Comfortable over long distances

Great fuel consumption: urban 80+ mpg, rural 75mpg, m/way 60-65mpg

Good rear camera 

Good turning circle 

An attractive car but only in dark colours!

Seems well bolted together and rattle- free despite being lightly built

Quite flexible internal space for a small car.

Cons

It's a SUV!

Expensive 

Noisey/harsh sounding  3 cylinder engine. Wife's 10 y o  4 cylinder Yaris Hydrid is much quieter

Very limited internal storage 

Dark, dingy & bland interior 

Quite harsh ride on 17 inch wheels.

Useless hand book

Pity no Eco/Sport ratio settings for CVT!

With big people in the front seats only legless people can be accommodated in the back!

No spare wheel

Conclusions

As with all small vehicles there will be lots of compromises in the design but thus far I think those made with this car will be just fine for my new circumstances going forward. Watch this space for any updates!

One thing is for sure, it will not be thrown around the country lanes or have the safe overtaking opportunities the Golf had!

It would be interesting to hear from anybody else making similar changes in motoring style.

[Yarisguy]

I went straight from an Audi TT to a new Yaris 3 years ago and have had no regrets.  Now changing out for YC.  I have found the Yaris noisy on dual carriageways and motorways and am hoping the new YC will be a bit quieter.

[jthspace]

No new car seems to come with a spare wheel these days, saving grams of weight to improve the required euro rating on fuel and gases. 
I added a spare to my Yaris along with some foam rubber backed rubber sheet cut to the size of the spare wheel well and surround.  It did deaden the drumming a bit. I went for a full size 16” and tools and it came in under £120 on eBay but YC wheels are more expensive.

 If you go for a spare it can be up to 10% smaller legally, so if you are on 18” wheel a 17” spare is OK but a 16” isn’t. 
If you are on 17” wheels a 16” is OK. 
 

I downloaded the full manual from Toyota and, well it’s a bit frightening 😳 as every “safety feature” has 3 pages of disclaimers as to why it’s great but if anything goes wrong, “you’re on your own” 🤣

500 pages and I’m wondering……..🤔 

[YarisHybrid2016]

*Facepalm*

"Harsh noise".

No dear...that's just the normal sound of an engine running flat-out. Unlike conventional manuals or autos where the engine only peaks momentarily at max RPM, our engines can go straight to max RPM (actually, max torque/power RPM) and sit there during acceleration for optimum output, because there are NO gears.

Toyota hybrids don't have a CVT. They have a planetary gear set with the ICE and MG1 coaxially mounted one side, and the larger MG2 mounted the other in what is called the transaxle.

There are no clutches or belts in the system. Nothing slides or moves. There are only gears.

Having owned the Gen.3 Yaris hybrid with the 4-cylinder, the Gen.4 is both smoother and quieter. The only difference is the frequency of the sound, but the Gen.4 sounds better.

It does have Eco/Sports mode. The main difference is the feeling of the throttle, but it will also run the ICE longer for smoother power transitions. This results in a slightly better engine response under power changes when adding power, but does not increase the power of the system. Foot-on-the-floor acceleration is the same, regardless. Sport mode measurably impacts fuel economy.

I run eco mode because who doesn't like 90 MPG?

I disagree that it can't be thrown around, or isn't safe for overtaking. I have left plenty of Golfs in the dust in mine, as well as plenty of German cars who think they're quick. Yaris can corner, too, combined with the poor driving ability of others, it's not to be under-estimated.

I kept up rather well with a Bentley and Aston who were totally going for it off a roundabout the other day. They started to really pull away passing unspeakable speed as they had about 6x the power I have. 😂😂😂  No...these things are not slow.

[Yaris_Cross]

4 hours ago, TDG said:

One thing is for sure, it will not be thrown around the country lanes or have the safe overtaking opportunities the Golf had!

People who choose a Yaris cross are not concerned about how they will be able to throw it around country lanes and how fast it'll overtake  they want MPG not BHP!

[Cyker]

4 hours ago, jthspace said:

No new car seems to come with a spare wheel these days

That's what amazed me - My Mk4 DID come with a spare wheel!!!

Only the panoramic roof ones didn't at the time...

 

[TDG]

13 hours ago, Cyker said:

That's what amazed me - My Mk4 DID come with a spare wheel!!!

Only the panoramic roof ones didn't at the time...

 

Ah The weighting game!!

[flash22]

20 hours ago, TDG said:

Cons

It's a SUV! - That will be the Cross part

Expensive - welcome to the land of toyota/lexus you paying for reliabilty

Noisey/harsh sounding  3 cylinder engine. Wife's 10 y o  4 cylinder Yaris Hydrid is much quieter - nature of the beast

Very limited internal storage - its not bad i have had worse cars

Dark, dingy & bland interior - its a Japanese thing, ambient lighting helps

Quite harsh ride on 17 inch wheels. - Yes but all manufacturers have gone this way, big wheels, skinny side walls

Useless hand book - the printed versions are abridged versions - full versions are downloadable

Pity no Eco/Sport ratio settings for CVT! - Its not a CVT as such, as it does not have a belt and pullies

With big people in the front seats only legless people can be accommodated in the back! - Yes this is true, think they missed a trick not having a slidable rear seat, rear doors could open at a wider angle

No spare wheel - it depends on the model, its not cheap to retrofit either

 

Conclusions

As with all small vehicles there will be lots of compromises in the design but thus far I think those made with this car will be just fine for my new circumstances going forward. Watch this space for any updates!

One thing is for sure, it will not be thrown around the country lanes or have the safe overtaking opportunities the Golf had!

It would be interesting to hear from anybody else making similar changes in motoring style

 

 

 

 

the hybrid is a totally different driving style especially if you have come from an older manual car

 

you will find yourself looking for the handbrake and key in the ignition

[MC1216]

23 minutes ago, flash22 said:

the hybrid is a totally different driving style especially if you have come from an older manual car

 

you will find yourself looking for the handbrake and key in the ignition

I am always looking for the stop/start button to turn it off like i do in my Golf every time i drive my Corolla even after 6 months.🤣

[skidlid]

20 hours ago, jthspace said:

No new car seems to come with a spare wheel these days 😳  

Got our Yaris in March this year and one of the reasons for choosing it was the standard spare. Hopefully it will stay forever in the boot but better than a can of glue any day.

[Benzowner]

On 8/13/2024 at 7:10 PM, YarisHybrid2016 said:

 

Toyota hybrids don't have a CVT. They have a planetary gear set with the ICE and MG1 coaxially mounted one side, and the larger MG2 mounted the other in what is called the transaxle.

There are no clutches or belts in the system. Nothing slides or moves. There are only gears.

 

Not according to Toyota, unless they have changed the gearbox design.

[skidlid]

22 minutes ago, Benzowner said:

Not according to Toyota, unless they have changed the gearbox design.

That is the non hybrid Yaris Cross, a car not sold in the UK.

[TonyHSD]

For overtake Toyota hybrids are brilliant. 
They aren’t fast cars by any mean but does respond quickly to accelerator input, quicker than any other cars and as quick as evs. 
Whenever you want to go fast just push accelerator faster and further and the car will respond without delay and provide respectful performance.
I see every day Yaris and Yaris cross fly pass 🚀🏁

[Cyker]

Sorryyyy...   

 

[dash]

1 minute ago, Cyker said:

Sorryyyy...   

 

….for what?

[coreye9090]

1 minute ago, dash said:

….for what?

My guess that he's speeding? 🤣

[Cyker]

It's a joke/tongue-in-cheek response to Tony's post you muppets!  

[Jimota]

Although I still have a slight issue with the drivers seat, the Yaris Cross is the best car I’ve ever owned.  After decades of Audi/VW ownership my transfer to the Toyota Hybrid system has been seamless.  

[TDG]

I dont know (or care) how Toyoya do it but from my 60+ engineering years experience, planetary gears can be made into Constantly Variable Transmissions but maybe not simple as the DAF rubber bands from all  those years ago. Anyone old enough to remember them?

[FROSTYBALLS]

On 8/13/2024 at 2:29 PM, TDG said:

It's been repaced by a new Yaris Cross

So please update your profile to include the Yaris Cross.

[PeteChat]

9 minutes ago, TDG said:

I dont know (or care) how Toyoya do it but from my 60+ engineering years experience, planetary gears can be made into Constantly Variable Transmissions but maybe not simple as the DAF rubber bands from all  those years ago. Anyone old enough to remember them?

Oh yes, a quirky little Dutch car 😃

My first experience of the CVT drive train (apart from mopeds 🙄) was when my mother bought a Nissan Micro auto in the mid 90s. The engine screamed while the transmission caught up - I hated the thing, especially for its lack of engine braking ( I spun it a full 360° once 😳).

Toyota’s system is much better!

[TonyHSD]

Hahah, 

I am sure I can do as fast as Yaris if I push it but I will lose the numbers and these are important for me (60+mpg).  
And these 🚀🏁 are new under warranty.
My one still covers 200+ miles a night imagine I race with these guys who probably drive 20-30 miles a day, most likely wouldn’t last me that long. I am 17000 short of reaching 300k mark. 🤫

[Cyker]

You'll be eligible for a full set of those Toyota high mileage club stickers at this rate!  

[jthspace]

1 hour ago, Cyker said:

You'll be eligible for a full set of those Toyota high mileage club stickers at this rate!  

We have stickers? 🙋

[Cyker]

I don't know if it's still a thing, but:

https://mag.toyota.co.uk/high-mile-club/