CHR PHEV fuel economy, err help please.

[mark2jag]

Hi all. I'm in the process of  picking up a CHR Plug in Hybrid, BUT until I move and  get a decent size garage, i'm stuck with the option of not  having much access to charging it at the moment. 

 

I am hoping there might be someone out there who regularly undertakes long motorway trips and  can tell me what they are getting fuel economy wise when running with little or no Battery power, as in looking for the economy figures people are getting just on the petrol engine or when in dedicated Battery charge hold mode.

 

I have browsed all the info i can on the net , and so far only 2 reviewers have actually reviewed it on a medium length journey , and the data they  put in the reviews seem to suggest less than 45 MPG, which if true means I'd better  cancel my order PDQ...... I am part exing my Lexus UX300h, which on a long run does just about 42 to 45, all at about 70 MPH.

 

Grateful for any input, but as my nan used to say,  "if thas got nowt nice to say then say nowt"

[AndyRC]

Plenty of info here on fuel economy for the new generation CHR 

The PHEV will be a bit heavier than the HEVs but I’d still expect to be able to achieve a genuine 55 - 60 mpg without charging it on motorways IF you stick to the speed limit , accelerate smoothly and anticipate having to slow and coast rather than using the brakes  (and before anyone says it yes I do know braking also recharges the traction Battery but so does coasting). 
 

If it helps I wouldn’t cancel my order they are great cars 👍😎

 

[philip42h]

If you drive the PHEV as a HEV you should get very comparable economy to the 2.0 HEV (it's the same car with the same engine). The WLTP economy figure for the 2.0 HEV is 57.65 MPG - these days the WLTP figures are perfectly achievable with Toyota hybrids. What you actually achieve will depend on how you drive the car.

[mark2jag]

Thank you all for the comments and I shall update the post when I know more...

[mark2jag]

Right, so here we go, time to provide an update.  On a long run to York and back at almost exactly 70 the whole way  i can hand on heart say I got no more than 46 MPG. Using my used fuel receipt and full back to full gave a slightly different reading than the computer was displaying. If I had believed the computer I would have thought I was doing 51 MPG.....  However most annoyingly and frustratingly I have had the car taken off me to investigate an electrical problem that means I can lock the car, and then find out using the app that the car actually isn't locked at all, err ACCORDING TO THE APP..... When I go out to the car, sometimes it actually is locked, and sometimes it isnt.... numerous deletions and redownloading the relevant software on my (compatible) ANDROID  phone has made absolutely no difference. I could just delete the app and believe my own ears and eyes, but I want the use of some of the features included in the app...... I think if a manufacturer releases a product it should be fit for purpose not a rancid steaming pile of poo, to put it nicely..... My protestations to Toyota UK have resulted in a loan car and no defined idea when I will actually get my car back. I hope this doesn't turn into the situation I had with a brand new Golf, in that it was towed so much I think it thought it was a boat.......

[TonyHSD]

The real benefit of having a larger and heavier Battery in phev cars is the pure ev drive. 
For people who drive a lot and cover long motorway trips often phev it’s not better than hev, actually it’s worse.
The best option here in terms of efficiency will be the 1.8 hybrid and sensible drives. In this variant the fuel economy will be close to Prius and Yaris, Corolla 1.8 which will be summer time 60+ mpg and winter time 50+ mpg. 
The 2.0 hev can come close to these figures, however you need to try harder and to drive more relaxed. 
The key here and the winner is the light weight of the 1.8 and the power to weight ratio plus aerodynamics , smaller tyres which all of these factors matter.  The phev is basically the same car as 2.0 but aways with two extra passengers on board. , weight wise. 
Another negative for phev is the plug.
Busy lifestyle, having to be in two places at the same time and thinking of where or when to plug in while you don’t have actually time to stop and refuel is not an option. 

[HarryW2024]

Here’s a comparison of the 2.0 PHEV and 2.0 4WD HEV once the PHEV Battery is depleted.

he does lots of tests and worth a browse.  I take his consumption figures as the maximum anyone could get out of cars, he’s done a lot of Toyotas if you scroll through his video library. One of which was getting 102kms of pure electric out of the CHR on a city cycle!

https://youtu.be/xiTXB_BZHzE?si=yPaxht41YdWvcB-6

 

[Louie]

Poor old Mark I do sympathise. Today buying any new vehicle is  a nightmare because they are crammed with way over the top tech. Gone are the days when you were handed the keys by an over eager salesman and you went off on your way enjoying your new acquisition. Today you will be are consistently prodded by a machine telling you how to drive your new vehicle and if you don't pay attention you will be beeped/booped at. My CHR  keeps telling me I need to stop for a break but refuses to dispense a Cappuccino. 

The  cost of running my CHR PHEV is currently  no more than £14 a month which is an average of 120 miles a week (at 60 mph average speed) that is more or less entirely on Battery.  How we will fare now that winter has arrived is another matter once the heated seats/steering wheel etc come on to suck the power out of the batteries.  We are on Octopus Go tariff which is 8.5 kw per hour between 12:30-5 am. Visits to a petrol station are rare. If your commute is less than 20 miles away as a round trip you would never theoretically have to fill up . However it makes sense to top up your tank now and then.

[dannyboy413]

3 hours ago, Louie said:

My CHR  keeps telling me I need to stop for a break but refuses to dispense a Cappuccino. 

 

That's Toyota saving a few pennies again! As they provide the cup holders, you would think that they would provide the coffee as well. 😉

[mark2jag]

I detect a mild hint of sarcasm....Hmmm LOL

[Louie]

David in a word yup !

[Louie]

David cup holders what cupholders ? you mean those weird sort of "octagonal " cavities that make any bottles or cups that are placed therein to move and rattle around. This has made me wonder what sort of drink containers they have in Japan certainly not round ones.🙄

[FROSTYBALLS]

23 minutes ago, Louie said:

This has made me wonder what sort of drink containers they have in Japan certainly not round ones.🙄

As the current C-HR is solely built in Turkey, perhaps the cup holders are designed for Turkish Delight.

[dannyboy413]

20 hours ago, Louie said:

David cup holders what cupholders ? you mean those weird sort of "octagonal " cavities 

I am not going out to check, (it's flippin' cold!), but I am 99% certain that my cup holders, the ones in the centre console, are round and Louisa thinks the same.