My CHR Design PHEV lools like a Lexus

[Louie]

I know I might upset some Lexus owners but the more I look at the front of my Design CHR PHEV it resembles a part of the Lexus range and in any event you are almost paying Lexus prices for this model so has anyone got any views  on this ?

[AndyRC]

I’ve said it previously, I look at our PE as a budget Lexus rather than an expensive Toyota 👍 

 

I’m guessing eventually the Lexus UX will get a total update using the CHR as a base , as the LBX did with the YarisCross. If it happens I’m looking forward to seeing what they come up with 🤔

[TonyHSD]

Top specs Toyota models has always been very close to Lexus equivalents or in some cases even better. And all that not just by the look but by equipment, interior design and materials, everything. I will actually take a top spec Corolla over entry spec ux any time. 

[taxidriver50005]

On 8/22/2024 at 12:21 PM, TonyHSD said:

Top specs Toyota models has always been very close to Lexus equivalents or in some cases even better. And all that not just by the look but by equipment, interior design and materials, everything. I will actually take a top spec Corolla over entry spec ux any time. 

With you there, actually had option of a ux when I nought excel corolla 😁

[Louie]

Hi guys saw this 3 year old mid sized Lexus PHEV in the local cafe car park so decided to take some photos.Mine is the Decuma Grey CHR . Now I don't like the square wheel arches on the Lexus and I think it looks a bit dated and my CHR PHEV blows it into the weeds.  However I am not sure how much streamlined the new mid sized Lexus PHEV's are but from the ones I have seen they look even more like my CHR PHEV Design except for those silly square wheel arches. Someone needs to remind Toyota that wheels are actually round.

[Louie]

[Louie]

Does any one know how to delete posts and images from this website because I have no clue !!

[philip42h]

Don't worry, your car doesn't look as bad as the Lexus - I've never been a fan of Lexus design language.

But I'm definitely into square wheels these days - can't quite think why - round ones just look so ordinary ... 😉 

[philip42h]

Just now, Louie said:

Does any one know how to delete posts and images from this website because I have no clue !!

You can't. For a short while you can edit the content of a recent post - so you could edit it to say <deleted> - but after that you would need to ask a mod to delete it for you.

[forkingabout]

The Lexus UX looks a lot better when it has the colour keyed wheel arch trims fitted.

Cant be that far of an all new UX being revealed now the mk2 C-HR is out.

[Louie]

I posted the last thread with two images and the two images decided to create a new independent thread of their  own. Now I do remember dragging and dropping the images into my thread before I posted it and I have done this many times without problems until now. Perhaps its finger trouble who knows.

[AndyRC]

22 hours ago, forkingabout said:

The Lexus UX looks a lot better when it has the colour keyed wheel arch trims fitted.

Cant be that far of an all new UX being revealed now the mk2 C-HR is out.

I’m looking forward to what the  Lexus next gen UX a looks like 🤔 walked past an LBX in town the other day and it’s a lot nicer looking car IMO than the Yaris Cross. I can’t see what tech Lexus could add so likely will be about the styling and interior trim levels 🤔🤔🤔

[First_Toyota]

23 hours ago, Louie said:

Hi guys saw this 3 year old mid sized Lexus PHEV in the local cafe car park so decided to take some photos.Mine is the Decuma Grey CHR . Now I don't like the square wheel arches on the Lexus and I think it looks a bit dated and my CHR PHEV blows it into the weeds.  However I am not sure how much streamlined the new mid sized Lexus PHEV's are but from the ones I have seen they look even more like my CHR PHEV Design except for those silly square wheel arches. Someone needs to remind Toyota that wheels are actually round.

I’ve already noted on this forum that, currently owing my third consecutive Lexus and shortly to be swapping to a new CH-R, the compromise in downsizing from an RX 450h felt smaller in the CH-R than other options I tried. Clearly there are compromises in terms of size, power and quality, but nothing that shook me as I perhaps expected when I had the test drive.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Lexus interior is of a higher quality than a Toyota interior, but the difference was far smaller than I expected. New CH-R felt reassuringly ‘premium’ in most places, the exception being the rear door cards.

That said, the UX is a Lexus I’ve never personally been a fan of, having had them at various times as courtesy vehicles. Other than engine size (I’ve selected the 1.8 litre CH-R) I really struggled to see why I’d choose a current generation UX over the Toyota. The price differences were too significant for me to justify.

Having said all of that, I’m pretty sure that most Lexus owners are happy with their choice, and believe they can justify the price differential, in the same way that most Toyota owners can justify their choice as a better value option. I’d be surprised if similar debates don’t happen between Skoda/VW/Seat/Audi, Hyundai/KIA, and any other manufacturer ‘group’ where different vehicles are priced and finished to appeal to different customers. 

 

 

 

[Primus1]

If I look at my Yaris cross,s front near side tyre, it looks like an Aston Martin 

[Corollanutter]

6 minutes ago, Primus1 said:

If I look at my Yaris cross,s front near side tyre, it looks like an Aston Martin 

Only if you are looking at the tread.. 🙂 

 

[AndyRC]

13 minutes ago, First_Toyota said:

I’ve already noted on this forum that, currently owing my third consecutive Lexus and shortly to be swapping to a new CH-R, the compromise in downsizing from an RX 450h felt smaller in the CH-R than other options I tried. Clearly there are compromises in terms of size, power and quality, but nothing that shook me as I perhaps expected when I had the test drive.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Lexus interior is of a higher quality than a Toyota interior, but the difference was far smaller than I expected. New CH-R felt reassuringly ‘premium’ in most places, the exception being the rear door cards.

That said, the UX is a Lexus I’ve never personally been a fan of, having had them at various times as courtesy vehicles. Other than engine size (I’ve selected the 1.8 litre CH-R) I really struggled to see why I’d choose a current generation UX over the Toyota. The price differences were too significant for me to justify.

Having said all of that, I’m pretty sure that most Lexus owners are happy with their choice, and believe they can justify the price differential, in the same way that most Toyota owners can justify their choice as a better value option. I’d be surprised if similar debates don’t happen between Skoda/VW/Seat/Audi, Hyundai/KIA, and any other manufacturer ‘group’ where different vehicles are priced and finished to appeal to different customers. 

 

 

 

TBH I’d love to see a Takumi Pack next gen CHR , I’m guessing 🤔🤞 multi way adjustable seats for driver AND passenger in lots of very nice , non vegan , leather and some subtle paint choices 😎

[AndyRC]

19 minutes ago, First_Toyota said:

I’ve already noted on this forum that, currently owing my third consecutive Lexus and shortly to be swapping to a new CH-R, the compromise in downsizing from an RX 450h felt smaller in the CH-R than other options I tried. Clearly there are compromises in terms of size, power and quality, but nothing that shook me as I perhaps expected when I had the test drive.

There is no doubt in my mind that a Lexus interior is of a higher quality than a Toyota interior, but the difference was far smaller than I expected. New CH-R felt reassuringly ‘premium’ in most places, the exception being the rear door cards.

That said, the UX is a Lexus I’ve never personally been a fan of, having had them at various times as courtesy vehicles. Other than engine size (I’ve selected the 1.8 litre CH-R) I really struggled to see why I’d choose a current generation UX over the Toyota. The price differences were too significant for me to justify.

Having said all of that, I’m pretty sure that most Lexus owners are happy with their choice, and believe they can justify the price differential, in the same way that most Toyota owners can justify their choice as a better value option. I’d be surprised if similar debates don’t happen between Skoda/VW/Seat/Audi, Hyundai/KIA, and any other manufacturer ‘group’ where different vehicles are priced and finished to appeal to different customers. 

 

 

 

We thought long and hard about the 450H+ but it just felt too big, 99.9% of the time it’s just 1 or 2 people in the car and the new CHR fits just right 👍. As for ride quality, refinement etc I don’t feel we are missing out a lot from the Lexus , interior choices being the exception on the higher grades 🤔

[First_Toyota]

12 minutes ago, AndyRC said:

lots of very nice , non vegan , leather

I appreciate I’m on outlier on this, but I’ve never been a huge fan of leather upholstery (or Artico, or Tahara or whatever different manufacturers call their ‘vegan’ ie ‘plastic’ options!)

Granted I’ve had Tahara on one Lexus and ‘real’ leather on my last two, as well as leather on previous Hondas, but personally I’d welcome a return to velour being the luxury option as it was on many cars when I was growing up. Mmmmm, velour…

On one of my CR-V (built in Swindon) I was able to select alcantara as a ‘no cost option’ instead of the standard leather. The dealer at the time thought I was crazy, but I just preferred it. I’ll get my coat…😇

Anyway, that means that, for me, a Toyota sans leather is actually pretty appealing!

[AndyRC]

12 minutes ago, First_Toyota said:

I appreciate I’m on outlier on this, but I’ve never been a huge fan of leather upholstery (or Artico, or Tahara or whatever different manufacturers call their ‘vegan’ ie ‘plastic’ options!)

Granted I’ve had Tahara on one Lexus and ‘real’ leather on my last two, as well as leather on previous Hondas, but personally I’d welcome a return to velour being the luxury option as it was on many cars when I was growing up. Mmmmm, velour…

On one of my CR-V (built in Swindon) I was able to select alcantara as a ‘no cost option’ instead of the standard leather. The dealer at the time thought I was crazy, but I just preferred it. I’ll get my coat…😇

Anyway, that means that, for me, a Toyota sans leather is actually pretty appealing!

If you’re planning on keeping it +10 years I think “real” leather will age better 🤔

[forkingabout]

1 hour ago, AndyRC said:

If you’re planning on keeping it +10 years I think “real” leather will age better 🤔

Only if the owner can be bothered to take care of the leather.

I've owned 2 cars with leather interiors, I won't buy another car with it fitted.

[Cyker]

That's why I've always preferred cloth seats - You need to apply some sort of conditioner to leather-type materials now and then or they will embrittle and crack over time, esp when exposed to strong sun and cold dry winters .

I'm not sure if the plastic fake leathers need this too though...

 

 

[AndyRC]

 I do look after the leather and all the rubber door/boot seals , no reason why it can’t look like it does now in 10 years 🤷‍♂️

[TonyHSD]

My ancient Auris from 2010 has the best seats from all Toyota cars new or old. 
The materials they are made of are three: Alcántara, real letter on the face bolsters and fake leather to match the look of the real one on all other areas like sides and back . After so many years of use and abuse the seats still look very good. The only new Toyota cars that had similar seats with the difference of been only fake leather and alcantara are Yaris cross gr sport and Yaris gr4 the real deal sport Yaris. 
That’s my personal opinion only. 
And for the Lexus vs Toyota although some models of Toyota comes very close they are still a Toyota and not a Lexus. The main difference is and will always be the refinement. UX interior is plusher than chr, the sound insulation is on another level too. And that’s pretty much all, and of course the design differences. I like Yaris cross how it looks more than lbx, but lbx is more refined inside. 

[Louie]

Tony  the big shock when I went from a 2023 Corolla 2L Hybrid Excel to my current CHR PHEV Design was the refinement in controlling noise as a whole  i.e. which showed up as considerable engine noise reduction especially when accelerating and how quiet the car is when on the move basically chalk and cheese when compared to the 2023 Corolla. 

Toyota must have shovelled a lot of sound material into the latest CHR PHEV models. It obviously does not share the luxury interior etc of the Lexus but in my humble opinion its getting close.

My previous main comparison related to outer design of the body Shell which once again resemble some of the Lexus's I have seen out and about not anything else.