No change to the RAV, no new model in 2025

[Uragan]

You need this to power this 🤣😂

[Nick72]

3 hours ago, philip42h said:

Come on Nick, keep up, they will incorporate the TNFR (Toyota Nano Fusion Reactor) within the design ...

 

 

... and for the benefit of anyone for whom it isn't obvious, that was an attempt at humour - I made it up! 😉 

... but if you Google either Uragan's original statement, or my piece of fiction, you will get 'hits' supporting both. 21st century social media is a wonderful thing ... 😄 

I also recall a guy from the 80s or early 90s that claimed to be running a car on water alone. Plenty of conspiracy theories about how the deep state suppressed it. 

[Cyker]

4 hours ago, Uragan said:

You need this to power this 🤣😂

No no no, that's just the conversion unit - The actual fuel needed is a combination of beer, eggs and a small off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden!   

 

Also someone once told me the flux capacitor looks like an IUD birth control device and ever since I can't un-see it...   

[Nick72]

16 hours ago, moggio53 said:

errrr....no

I think you've misunderstood the premise here - so lets just leave it at that 

Curious how is it powered in that case. What is the energy chain?

You're either combusting to create mechanical work or you're using stored chemical energy in a device (Battery or fuel cell) to create mechanical work. Curious how a vehicle runs off water without all of the vast effort, energy (where does that come from?), and cost to electrolyse water to create H2 which can then either be combusted or recharges a H2 fuel cell to make your car go somewhere. 

[Nick72]

29 minutes ago, Cyker said:

No no no, that's just the conversion unit - The actual fuel needed is a combination of beer, eggs and a small off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden!   

 

Also someone once told me the flux capacitor looks like an IUD birth control device and ever since I can't un-see it...   

There was an unusual fuel used in an episode of "Monkey Spunk Moped" that appeared in Viz a few decades ago. This could be the holy grail we seek.

[Nick72]

17 hours ago, moggio53 said:

No, the energy driving the train is electric, since the train is using the original motors that were fitted over 20 years ago

So it's a hydrogen fuel cell? And so the fuel is hydrogen. The hydrogen is produced elsewhere, stored, transported, and that gets pumped into the train to recharge the H2 fuel cells. These produce an electrical power output which drives the train's electric motors. 

That's just like the hydrogen powered cars. And all of the issues that come with hydrogen production, storage, transport, storage, and fuelling. Seems like a backwards step.

[Heidfirst]

Hydrogen fuel cell trains are more than just on test. Iirc some are already running (certainly have been ordered) in Germany.

They are an improvement on Battery powered electric trains (longer range, quicker to recharge/refuel & impact load levels less).

& for a large user like a railway with it's own depots, storage & fuelling won't really be an issue.

[Nick72]

Just now, Heidfirst said:

 

Hydrogen fuel cell trains are more than just on test. Iirc some are already running (certainly have been ordered) in Germany.

They are an improvement on battery powered electric trains.

& for a large user like a railway with it's own depots, storage & fuelling won't really be an issue.

Not doubting they are on test. So are fusion and LENR reactors. I was confused by the idea that water goes in as the fuel. It doesn't. Hydrogen is the fuel. 

That makes sense where you have space for all the hydrogen infrastructure as you say but with caveats. Hydrogen is still expensive when all the costs are considered and amortised. I've mentioned before; precious metal catalyst costs, the input power costs or costs of renewable infrastructure for electrolysis (or it's the dirty Texaco hydrocarbon fracturing process to produce the H2 and which is the most common method of producing H2 in large volumes at high rates), embrittlement issues with persistent parts replacement and all those maintenance costs, it's very leaky, it's 4 times more volumous than petrol or kerosene, etc etc. I could go on. 

 

[NASY]

Hydrogen sounds like a really useful fuel however with some technical difficulties around production and storage, so to cheer Nick up I would take you back to when the same was true of Champagne. The English solved the explode in the cellar bottles by inventing the bottles we are now familiar with and the cost of production was solved by using methods other than traditional.  So good news all-round.

[Nick72]

5 hours ago, NASY said:

Hydrogen sounds like a really useful fuel however with some technical difficulties around production and storage, so to cheer Nick up I would take you back to when the same was true of Champagne. The English solved the explode in the cellar bottles by inventing the bottles we are now familiar with and the cost of production was solved by using methods other than traditional.  So good news all-round.

I'll drink to that. 

[Chuffmonkey]

I have around 9 months before I make a decision with my current Corolla. Buy outright which I am considering, or hand back and enter the PCP cycle again. I am exploring the PHEV options as I am not fully behind the EV offerings (yet) I do to many miles but I do have at least 3 days a week where I do less then 20 miles. A PHEV would be best of both worlds for me with my current usage. 

I was hoping a new Rav 4 would have been announced in 2025, not a deal breaker by any means, I love the look of the car and I am looking at SUV's. Just curious on peoples thoughts about buying a brand new car that will be potentially be an outgoing model.

For comparison, im looking at the Mazda CX60 or Skoda Kodiak. Similar price and PHEV but I do value the Toyota reliability and warranty.  

[Nick72]

1 hour ago, Chuffmonkey said:

I have around 9 months before I make a decision with my current Corolla. Buy outright which I am considering, or hand back and enter the PCP cycle again. I am exploring the PHEV options as I am not fully behind the EV offerings (yet) I do to many miles but I do have at least 3 days a week where I do less then 20 miles. A PHEV would be best of both worlds for me with my current usage. 

I was hoping a new Rav 4 would have been announced in 2025, not a deal breaker by any means, I love the look of the car and I am looking at SUV's. Just curious on peoples thoughts about buying a brand new car that will be potentially be an outgoing model.

For comparison, im looking at the Mazda CX60 or Skoda Kodiak. Similar price and PHEV but I do value the Toyota reliability and warranty.  

At best the Battery range will double to about 90 something without increasing mass, there may be slightly better tech, and slightly more power and mpg. Toyota being a conservative bunch I suspect I suspect small gains. 

I replaced my 2021 PHEV with a 2024 GTS PHEV. Definitely more than a 10% improvement. Company car so I swap every 3 years. Very likely I'll buy this one off our company car folks at an auction price. 

It's a great car. 

 

[philip42h]

2 hours ago, Chuffmonkey said:

I have around 9 months before I make a decision ... Just curious on peoples thoughts about buying a brand new car that will be potentially be an outgoing model.

Ask again in 9 months time! 😉 

If Toyota announce a radically improved 4.6 at a lower price, the value of the outgoing 4.5 may well drop like a stone. But I've absolutely no idea whether that is going to happen ... though I rather doubt it.

If you like the current PHEV as is, then go for it. If you are buying on PCP and the market value drops drastically you can simply hand it back.

Equally, if your Corolla is worth more than the GFV you could buy it and hold on for another year (or two) to see what transpires ...

[Heidfirst]

3 hours ago, Chuffmonkey said:

I have around 9 months before I make a decision with my current Corolla. Buy outright which I am considering, or hand back and enter the PCP cycle again. I am exploring the PHEV options as I am not fully behind the EV offerings (yet) I do to many miles but I do have at least 3 days a week where I do less then 20 miles. A PHEV would be best of both worlds for me with my current usage. 

I was hoping a new Rav 4 would have been announced in 2025, not a deal breaker by any means, I love the look of the car and I am looking at SUV's. Just curious on peoples thoughts about buying a brand new car that will be potentially be an outgoing model.

For comparison, im looking at the Mazda CX60 or Skoda Kodiak. Similar price and PHEV but I do value the Toyota reliability and warranty.  

bear in mind that if you break the £40k list price threshold on any of them that you will be paying an extra £410 VED per year for 5 years (of course, if your employer is paying for it all you needn't worry about that)

[J2024IE]

1 hour ago, Nick72 said:

At best the battery range will double to about 90 something without increasing mass, there may be slightly better tech, and slightly more power and mpg. Toyota being a conservative bunch I suspect I suspect small gains. 

I replaced my 2021 PHEV with a 2024 GTS PHEV. Definitely more than a 10% improvement. Company car so I swap every 3 years. Very likely I'll buy this one off our company car folks at an auction price. 

It's a great car. 

 

the bz5x looks very similar size to the rav4. 

 

[Nick72]

6 minutes ago, J2024IE said:

the bz5x looks very similar size to the rav4. 

 

Looks interesting.

[FROSTYBALLS]

5 minutes ago, J2024IE said:

the bz5x looks very similar size to the rav4. 

But having a rumoured 3 rows of seats, will probably be similar to the Highlander.

[J2024IE]

Just now, Nick72 said:

Looks interesting.

might give an indication of possible styling for a new rav4 model.

[J2024IE]

6 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

But having a rumoured 3 rows of seats, will probably be similar to the Highlander.

the rav4 has grown in size compared to earlier models.

[FROSTYBALLS]

4 minutes ago, J2024IE said:

the rav4 has grown in size compared to earlier models.

But still smaller than the current Highlander.

[J2024IE]

2 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

But still smaller than the current Highlander.

is the highlander still available to order in europe/uk?

[FROSTYBALLS]

6 minutes ago, J2024IE said:

is the highlander still available to order in europe/uk?

Not in the UK.

Available in Italy, France, Spain, etc.