2022 excel or gr sport

[ladyc]

Help!! I've been looking for a toyota corolla for a while after being recommended them by the mechanic who fixes my car.  I currently have a 1.6 engine so I've been looking for a 1.8 and finally decided I like the white pearlescent bi tone.  I've been looking mostly for the excel model because it has the leather seats etc but I can't find one close to where I live the nearest is about a 4 hour drive and is a 2022 1.8.  I have found a white pearlescent bi tone gr sport close to where I live but it's a 2022 2.0 litre.  It has HUD which I like.  If I could get a 1.8 gr sport closer to home with low mileage and a 2022 I would be interested but I'm just worried the 2.0 would use alot more fuel.   Can anybody shine any light on pros and cons for both the excel and gr sport and apart from the obvious engine size difference on the gr sport 1.8 and 2.0.  I've also seen a 2023 gr sport new style which is about 3 hours away but it's not got the pearlescent paint but im thinking its a newer car for a similar price but then I read the newer ones don't have the HUD.  I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide 😫😫

[Corolly Poly]

43 minutes ago, ladyc said:

Help!! I've been looking for a toyota corolla for a while after being recommended them by the mechanic who fixes my car.  I currently have a 1.6 engine so I've been looking for a 1.8 and finally decided I like the white pearlescent bi tone.  I've been looking mostly for the excel model because it has the leather seats etc but I can't find one close to where I live the nearest is about a 4 hour drive and is a 2022 1.8.  I have found a white pearlescent bi tone gr sport close to where I live but it's a 2022 2.0 litre.  It has HUD which I like.  If I could get a 1.8 gr sport closer to home with low mileage and a 2022 I would be interested but I'm just worried the 2.0 would use alot more fuel.   Can anybody shine any light on pros and cons for both the excel and gr sport and apart from the obvious engine size difference on the gr sport 1.8 and 2.0.  I've also seen a 2023 gr sport new style which is about 3 hours away but it's not got the pearlescent paint but im thinking its a newer car for a similar price but then I read the newer ones don't have the HUD.  I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide 😫😫

You might get some ideas from this:

 

 

[Corolly Poly]

And this:

 

 

[taxidriver50005]

23 1.8 has more power than 22 and earlier so a little closer to 2.0 than older car. 

2.0 is generally about 5mpg worse than 1.8 but it all depends on how you drive and where you drive. 

Under some circumstances 2.0 can be more economical. 

Things to worry about on 2.0 are injectors, some have had issues. 

Isolated cases and Toyota generally sorts this out. 

Also 2.0 is a much more relaxing car to drive even at slower speeds and also under heavy loads. 

1.8 is a tryed and tested motor that has been used in prius for years and will do big mileage if looked after, things to look out for as they age will be EGR faults and head gasket failure, rare but not unheard of. 

Both cars are excellent. 

[ladyc]

Thanks for your feedback.  Can I ask why you think the 2.0 is more relaxing than drive? Just wondering what the difference would be.

[taxidriver50005]

I say more relaxing because the extra torque and hp you get mean you not working engine anywhere near as hard as 1.8, pulling onto motorway on a uphill slip Rd with a full load in the car is not fun with 1.8 accompanied by lots of revs and droning... Yes it gets the job done and you do get accustomed to the noise and it doesn't cause any issues with the car. 

Compared to 2.0 which has a lot more midrange punch, pulling out of junctions is also much better with 2.0. 

I also drive my wife's 1.8 chr which drives great but I'm always doing 15mph less than I think I am when just listening to engine note. 

I also think 2.0 is smoother and quieter when running, the quieter part may be down to mine being a excel which has better soundproofing and acoustic glass front windows. 

I've come from 1.8 prius to 2.0 corolla and there is a big difference, I think if you drove 1.8 in sport mode and 2.0 in eco they would feel similar with 2.0 just edging ahead. 

Try to get a test drive of both, I really wouldn't be upset with either 😍

[badlywornroy]

Does the excel have 18" wheels ? I would certainly avoid those. 🥴

[taxidriver50005]

Mine has 17, but wife's chr has 18 and not a rough ride

[2badmice]

Remember the 2.0 has half a boot compared to the 1.8.

 

I've lived with my half-boot for 3 years and managed a family of 4, but it's not practical, and sometimes, I take two cars rather than one when it comes to activities so not only impractical it's just not economical either.

 

I knew this when I dived in for my 2.0. However, the test drive sold me, and I went with my heart and not my head. I had 4 weeks to get a new car, so choices were made quickly, plus the cheaper rates with Toyota sold it to me and I had never considered a Toyota until I test drove this one.

 

I am now looking into estates or SUV's but the prices are a joke just like the rest of the prices we've done to ourselves as a country.

[TonyHSD]

Anyone driving normally within speed limits there is no noticeable difference between 1.8 and 2.0. The difference becomes obvious only when you push the car to accelerate fast, joining motorways, racing with other drivers aka keep up with traffic. This rule applies to absolutely all types propulsion, engine sizes vehicles. The 1.8 variant is very relaxed and very smooth to drive. In fact the less powerful engine makes you even a better driver and saves you fuel. The difference between both is an average of 10mpg. 

If anyone believes that can have 2.0 enjoy driving it and achieve the efficiency of 1.8, they are fooling themselves.
Performance does not comes from nothing, faster always means extra energy consumption - petrol, electric or diesel. 

[Corolly Poly]

These might be under test conditions and not real world but Toyota would be in hot water if they were far out.

 

It just shows that they can obtain similar mpg

[Cyker]

It's absolutely possible to get comparative mpg between the two, but you'd have to be VERY disciplined.

I suspect if I had the 2.0 my mpg would be awful as I'd cane it away from lights every time I was in front  

The only reason I can get away with it in the Yaris is it's powered by magical voodoo unicorn farts or something  

It all boils down to whether you value reliability and fuel economy more than power.

Also, rumour has it Toyota are going to add the wideband cam phasing to the 1.8 at some point so it can also switch between Otto and Atkinson/Miller-cycle, and that will make the 1.8 much punchier!

 

[Heidfirst]

13 hours ago, badlywornroy said:

Does the excel have 18" wheels ? I would certainly avoid those. 🥴

both GR & Excel do, just different designs

[Corolly Poly]

57 minutes ago, Cyker said:

It's absolutely possible to get comparative mpg between the two, but you'd have to be VERY disciplined.

I suspect if I had the 2.0 my mpg would be awful as I'd cane it away from lights every time I was in front  

The only reason I can get away with it in the Yaris is it's powered by magical voodoo unicorn farts or something  

It all boils down to whether you value reliability and fuel economy more than power.

Also, rumour has it Toyota are going to add the wideband cam phasing to the 1.8 at some point so it can also switch between Otto and Atkinson/Miller-cycle, and that will make the 1.8 much punchier!

 

What makes you think the recent 2L are any less reliable than the latest 1.8L?

[Cyker]

The 1.8 can trace its roots all the way back to the Mk3 Prius and Auris - It's been through far more revisions than the 2.0 and we see this all the time with Toyotas, that the longer the engine's been around the more reliable it is as they constantly improve them.

OTOH whenever they release a new engine it's always been a bit of a gamble, the 1NR-FE being an example of one that had some major flaws when it first came out, but was fixed in later revisions.

The 2.0 will be getting better all the time but the 1.8 will always have that head start...

To put things in perspective though, these are Toyota engines so they're going to be pretty reliable regardless, and the differences in reliability should be relatively small.

[TonyHSD]

In America these 2.0 and 2.5 engines has no issues, here in uk and some other parts of Europe they do. The reason it’s obvious and it’s very likely because of the fuel quality. Other than that they are ok.
The 1.8 2zr-fxe in Europe they have no problems but in America they do blow head gaskets. These are all facts from real world examples. 

[taxidriver50005]

5 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

In America these 2.0 and 2.5 engines has no issues, here in uk and some other parts of Europe they do. The reason it’s obvious and it’s very likely because of the fuel quality. Other than that they are ok.
The 1.8 2zr-fxe in Europe they have no problems but in America they do blow head gaskets. These are all facts from real world examples. 

In the US the 1.8 also goes through a fair few injectors too, they also have e85 fuel 😳

[Corolly Poly]

9 hours ago, Cyker said:

The 1.8 can trace its roots all the way back to the Mk3 Prius and Auris - It's been through far more revisions than the 2.0 and we see this all the time with Toyotas, that the longer the engine's been around the more reliable it is as they constantly improve them.

OTOH whenever they release a new engine it's always been a bit of a gamble, the 1NR-FE being an example of one that had some major flaws when it first came out, but was fixed in later revisions.

The 2.0 will be getting better all the time but the 1.8 will always have that head start...

To put things in perspective though, these are Toyota engines so they're going to be pretty reliable regardless, and the differences in reliability should be relatively small.

I guess that's my point. The 2l should be improving and issues resolved but do we know how the 1.8 will react to having much more power squeezed out of it?

[taxidriver50005]

4 hours ago, Corolly Poly said:

I guess that's my point. The 2l should be improving and issues resolved but do we know how the 1.8 will react to having much more power squeezed out of it?

Highly doubt they can get more power without going direct injection, and they need to do this for emissions not because they want to complicate things. 

[Corolly Poly]

Just now, taxidriver50005 said:

Highly doubt they can get more power without going direct injection, and they need to do this for emissions not because they want to complicate things. 

This year's 1.8 is significantly more powerful than last years.  Not sure how they have achieved it but would be surprised if the extra stress does not impact reliability 

[taxidriver50005]

23 minutes ago, Corolly Poly said:

This year's 1.8 is significantly more powerful than last years.  Not sure how they have achieved it but would be surprised if the extra stress does not impact reliability 

Think it's mainly bigger electric motor, funny the older prius was 139hp before they reduced it to 120 and claimed a few extra mpg... Now back up in hp and you can guess what's happening to mpg

[TonyHSD]

The extra power in latest gen5 hybrids comes entirely from the electric motors, transmission, differential, drive shafts, inverter, traction Battery. All new materials and design has been used to reduce frictional losses and weight. 
The engines are same as on gen4. 
The new electric components are physically smaller and lighter 14% is the magic number. 14% smaller and lighter all together with batteries but 14% increase in power and efficiency. The 1.8 has larger increase in power. 
 

[Cyker]

2 hours ago, Corolly Poly said:

This year's 1.8 is significantly more powerful than last years.  Not sure how they have achieved it but would be surprised if the extra stress does not impact reliability 

Ahh maybe they already added the wideband cam phaser to it, so the extra HP would be from the 1.8 being able to switch to Otto-cycle mode like the 2.0 can? That would be an easy way for them to get more HP without any major engineering, albeit at a cost to mpg!