Oil change Auris 2015 5w 30

[RaZor85]

Hello forum, i´m in the need of changing the oil on my mother Auris from 2015 1,8 Hybrid Engine code: 2ZR-FXE and i bought 5l of Genuine Toyota 5w30 see the picture attached. We live in Sweden so it gets pretty cold during winter. I´m not sure i bought the right Acea specs, and i can´t find so much info on the topic. This one is ACEA A5- B5

 

[TonyHSD]

Hi, 

the correct oil for any petrol Toyota engine post 2010 is 0w20. 
This 5w30 can do but it is not the right oil for your engine. 
In cold or very hot weather this oil will not protect the internals as well as the 0w20 will do. And if your car is hybrid this will be even more serious. 
If you can return or exchange for 0w20 will be best decision. 
The 0w20 oil is full synthetic where 5w30 is semi synthetic, break easily under heat and load. 
Best for the engine is to use strictly the recommended viscosity by the manufacturer. 

[RaZor85]

22 minutes ago, TonyHSD said:

Hi, 

the correct oil for any petrol Toyota engine post 2010 is 0w20. 
This 5w30 can do but it is not the right oil for your engine. 
In cold or very hot weather this oil will not protect the internals as well as the 0w20 will do. And if your car is hybrid this will be even more serious. 
If you can return or exchange for 0w20 will be best decision. 
The 0w20 oil is full synthetic where 5w30 is semi synthetic, break easily under heat and load. 
Best for the engine is to use strictly the recommended viscosity by the manufacturer. 

I super agree with you, i bought this oil because at the last service they did, they used this  and btw was done by Toyota see picture ...

 

can you pls say which ACEA requirement must meet or suggest a product...

[AisinW]

Any oil grade will be acceptable for 2ZR-FXE hybrid engine, including the 2023 Corolla.  However, most Toyota engines are designed for the 0W-20 since 2010. 2016, Toyota start using 0W-16, and in 2020 many including newest Corolla, Camry, Yaris are using 0W-8. 

The viscousity at low temperatures of 0W-20 is significantly lower and flows faster than 0W-30 and definitely 5W-30. You can use 5W-30 in summer but definitely use 0W-20 in Nordik winter. 5W-30 is safe for your engine but not the best. The most wear is during a cold start up and it is important to run the engines for a few minutes before we drain the oil so when we mount the new empty filter and start the car, we have enough oil coating in all parts of the car during the 1st start after oil change.

 

 

[Tomv]

My Toyota dealership also recommended me to use 5w-30 instead of 0w-20.

They said that it is better for my engine, but I have 1.6 non hybrid and the winters are mild here.

[TonyHSD]

On 10/31/2024 at 1:26 PM, RaZor85 said:

I super agree with you, i bought this oil because at the last service they did, they used this  and btw was done by Toyota see picture ...

 

can you pls say which ACEA requirement must meet or suggest a product...

A5 or A6 by ACEA . 

[TonyHSD]

Dealerships seems to recommend what is good for them not what is best for your car. The oil viscosity should be same as the one your car came out of factory in this case 0w20 A5. Any deviation from that might cause issues like premature wear, increased oil consumption, decreased efficiency. 

[AisinW]

On 11/2/2024 at 2:07 AM, Tomv said:

My Toyota dealership also recommended me to use 5w-30 instead of 0w-20.

They said that it is better for my engine, but I have 1.6 non hybrid and the winters are mild here.

Older Toyota are using 5w-30, but you can always use 0w-30 or 0w-40 (lower border to 40 viscousity). Using thicker oil is generally fine but not thinner like 0w20 or 0w-16 if our engines is not design for lower viscosity. 

The newer Toyota engines like 2.0L Corolla or 2.5L in Rav4 has a dynamics oil pump and calibrated with 0w-16 oil pressure. Higher viscosity may caused lower spraying/flows and cause higher wear. The 1.8L does not use dynamics oil pump and may be fine using thicker oil but always better using the recommended/best oil specs. 

[AisinW]

There are many grades of 0w-20, Auris hybrid minimum grades is API SN, SP is better with stringent minimum benchmarks. Dexos1-gen 3 is even better with more tests requirements. 

I found that 0w-20 from VW 508/509 are often found cheap enough in Europe. It is generally more expensive because it needs even higher standard than Dexos1 and I use this oil. I feel comfortable using 508/509 oil for 10k miles/1 year but not with regular API SN oil. Tons of Toyota owners experienced oil consumption when doing 10k miles interval with API SN oil. 

[TonyHSD]

For engine oils it is very important to stay within the oil type like A5 0w20 for example. If you change the viscosity for some reason where no one should , but if you do anyway, then stay within this A5 specs. 
Most oils 0w30 and 0w40 are different specs like A3/B4 , A1 or C1 2,3. These might not provide the best lubrication in certain conditions and cause premature wear. Just stay stock, choose the oil brand of your choice but remain within manufacturers specs and you won’t have problems. 
 

[AisinW]

@TonyHSD is right. Careful with older spec A3 0w-30 or 0w-40 that has higher sulphur antiwear and can be harmful to catalytic converter. 

Older 5w-30 pre API SN+ is also not for turbo engine because of high Calcium content that causes LSPI. Newer 5w-30 uses Magnesium detergent. 

[FROSTYBALLS]

Toyota has been using 0W-20 oil as the preferred oil in non-hybrid cars since the introduction of the Optimal Drive engines - in the case of the Auris/Corolla from 2009.

[RaZor85]

Thnak you all for the useful information !!!

[RaZor85]

Can this be a stable candidate among all the other oils out there :

 

https://weboil.se/shop/2124-original-toyota-motorolja/119926-original-toyota-0w20-afe---5-l/?srsltid=AfmBOordl103Hw7_3-qxLE6x8srp7uwiz14vP01x_I6iyy_sN2uynbMP

 

The oil Is the Toyota 0w20 AFE which is able to meet the followings specs :  API SN PLUS , ILSAC GF-5

[TonyHSD]

1 hour ago, RaZor85 said:

Can this be a stable candidate among all the other oils out there :

 

https://weboil.se/shop/2124-original-toyota-motorolja/119926-original-toyota-0w20-afe---5-l/?srsltid=AfmBOordl103Hw7_3-qxLE6x8srp7uwiz14vP01x_I6iyy_sN2uynbMP

 

The oil Is the Toyota 0w20 AFE which is able to meet the followings specs :  API SN PLUS , ILSAC GF-5

That’s the exact oil for your car. All specs match. 👌

[AisinW]

3 hours ago, RaZor85 said:

Can this be a stable candidate among all the other oils out there :

 

https://weboil.se/shop/2124-original-toyota-motorolja/119926-original-toyota-0w20-afe---5-l/?srsltid=AfmBOordl103Hw7_3-qxLE6x8srp7uwiz14vP01x_I6iyy_sN2uynbMP

 

The oil Is the Toyota 0w20 AFE which is able to meet the followings specs :  API SN PLUS , ILSAC GF-5

Always check the date. Don't buy oil older than 4y old. Max lifespan of the additives in any oil is 5y in sealed containers. The date is usually printed on the bottle molding or sticker

API SN and GF5 is 10y old standard. Newer one has much higher requirements. API SP or GF6.

[AisinW]

https://ato24.de/de/toyota-motoroel-0w-20-sn.html

Toyota actually updated their OEM Oil to ILSAC GF-6A or API SP for 0w-20 to mitigate oil consumption issues on older cars and mandatory on turbo 2.4 and 3.5L. It is backwards compatible as the older standard has lower standard.

The 3rd gen hybrid in Prius 3 and Auris 1 is more than 10y old and that time the oil requirements are lower than today standard. Newer is better as the base stocks and additives through research evolve. ZDDP is reduced and replaced by Molybdenum (safe to cat) base, Ca with Mg detergent, Borons is also usually higher in 0w-8 oil for antifoaming and antiwear. There are only about 3 base stocks suppliers (Exxon, BP, and Shell) and 2 main additives formulations in oil industry. Other brands get the base oil from them.

The newer Corolla and Camry with 0w-16 or 0w-8 mininum requirements is GF-6B (thinner oil). 

Toyota engines are still prone to oil consumption (1.8L, 2.0, 2.5L) with 1y/10k miles oil change interval. You may experience it at about 80-120k miles. Especially with non full synthetic base (PAO) group IV. 99% Oil in the market are group III and II. There is also gas to oil (GTL) base oil (Shell Ultra) that has much higher uniformity and needs less additives to perform well because of its stability close to group IV. 

Don't add any additives, the formulation will be thrown off from competing additives. Not all of them are compatible. 

This guy is the best for getting engine oil knowledge with scientific number not just claims. 

 

 

[Wooster]

1 hour ago, AisinW said:

only about 3 base stocks suppliers (Exxon, BP, and Shell)...

So, who makes Toyota oil and who's base stock is used?

[AisinW]

10 minutes ago, Wooster said:

So, who makes Toyota oil and who's base stock is used?

 

Exxon-Mobil. It is very similar to Mobil 1 US specs. The european 0w-20 Mobil 1 is actually has higher grade than Toyota 0w-20 API SP. Because Mobil 1 ESP European is DexosD and 508/809 certified too. Not just GF-6A. 

https://www.mobil.com/en-be/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/eu-xx-mobil-1-esp-x2-0w-20

So, Toyota genuine 0w-20 is no magic than Mobil 1 0w-20, GF-6A.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-0w-20

[Wooster]

3 minutes ago, AisinW said:

the european 0w-20 Mobil 1 is actually has higher grade than Toyota 0w-20 API SP...

Tony HSD as well as many others (me included), use Petronas 0w20. How does this compare to Mobil 1 0w20/ Toyota 0w20 ?

[AisinW]

8 minutes ago, Wooster said:

Tony HSD as well as many others (me included), use Petronas 0w20. How does this compare to Mobil 1 0w20/ Toyota 0w20 ?

it's fine oil.  i think it also uses exxon base oil and exxon-shell (infenium) developed standard additives. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infineum

it's enough for our mild calm engine, about  the same as Toyota 0w20. The other company who develop additives is Lubrizol but it's more expensive. 

[AisinW]

https://global.pli-petronas.com/product/petronas-syntium-7000-0w-20-sp

specs GF-6A.  the Petronas 0w20 10y ago is different than today 0w20 (better).

[TonyHSD]

The Petronas 0w20 has their oil marked as GF-6 spec since two years ago or so. The oil we buy here in uk is made in Italy. 
I had exclusively use this oil since 2016 and I have 25 oil changes ever since, so far the engine sounds and runs as good as ever. I have oil consumption now at around 3ltr per 10000 miles but still not too bad. No other wear to the engine or anything abnormal. 

[AisinW]

For pre 2015 engine at 200k miles, 3L per 10k miles is amazing.   At high mileage,  sometime the valve stems are also the cause of oil consumption,  not just normal wear from piston walls or caked control rings. 

@TonyHSDis very lucky with his 1st year production 2ZR-FXE engine.  Others are not so lucky because they did not maintain it well.  Americans like to do $20 oil change with coupon in superlube, quicklube,or jiffilube at 10k miles interval.  they often use minimum req. spec with high amount of group II oil base stock. 

https://m.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Prius/2010/engine/

This website has enough statistics for commons Ford, GM, Crysler, Toyota,Hyundai, and Honda problems. Not a good source for European brands because the small amount of sales there. 

The main benefit of API SP/GF-6A is better sludge protection than SN+. The 0w-20 SN from Toyota in 2010 itself is already significant upgrade from 0W-20 SM when Prius 3 was out in Sept 2009. That's why many Prius 2010 owner experience much worse oil consumption than 2011 or newer.