Cars Dead - Help Please

November 26, 2004

Need some help :(

My cars been dead a week now, its been at the garage. Theres no error codes. The coil pack has been changed and that was fine, the whole distributor has been changed with a brand new one (£350 :o ) and its still not sparking. There is a spark coming from the coil, but there isn't one coming out of the brand new dizzy. The earth and live wires going into the dizzy have also been checked and they are fine.

Come on guys what else can it be :? It's being towed to Mr T tommorrow.

A suggestion by a specialist was that it could be an alarm fault - but how can it be if powers going to the dizzy :?

:( :( :(

-Rev 2 NA - UK car

November 26, 2004

If you`ve got a GOOD spark at the coil and the wires to the dizzy check out ok. It must be the dizzy at fault.Mustn`t it ????????

I`m assuming you`ve checked/replaced the dizzy cap and rotor arm and HT leads :blink:

Not too familiar with the ignition systems on these cars so a couple of stabs in the dark off the top of my head.

Crank sensor???????

Ignition module?????????

Sorry cant be more helpful. Good luck. :thumbsup:

November 26, 2004

SOME IMOBILISERS ARE TWIN PROTECTION , STARTER MOTOR AND IGNITION SYSTEM , did they replace the dizzy cap too ? it may be cracked. did they replace the ignition module as mentioned?

November 26, 2004

If you`ve got a GOOD spark at the coil and the wires to the dizzy check out ok. It must be the dizzy at fault.Mustn`t it ????????
I`m assuming you`ve checked/replaced the dizzy cap and rotor arm and HT leads
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Thats what I thought. Its a brand new dizzy (including cap, rotor arm) so it cant be that. The HT leads are 4 months old - Its not getting a spark from the dizzy cap nevermind the HT leads :(

Not too familiar with the ignition systems on these cars so a couple of stabs in the dark off the top of my head.
Crank sensor???????
Ignition module?????????
Sorry cant be more helpful. Good luck.
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Crank sensor is built into the dizzy so with the new one that should be fine.

The ignitor has also been replaced with a spare one that he had and still no joy.

Thanks for the help :thumbsup:

November 26, 2004

SOME IMOBILISERS ARE TWIN PROTECTION , STARTER MOTOR AND IGNITION SYSTEM , did they replace the dizzy cap too ? it may be cracked. did they replace the ignition module as mentioned?
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well the cars turning over so it cant be that. The igniter and coil are getting readings. Sparks are coming from the coil.

The dizzy cap is brand new as it was part of the new distributor.

Igniter has been checked and replaced :wacko:

Cheers

November 26, 2004

SOME IMOBILISERS ARE TWIN PROTECTION , STARTER MOTOR AND IGNITION SYSTEM , did they replace the dizzy cap too ? it may be cracked. did they replace the ignition module as mentioned?
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well the cars turning over so it cant be that. The igniter and coil are getting readings. Sparks are coming from the coil.
The dizzy cap is brand new as it was part of the new distributor.
Igniter has been checked and replaced
Cheers
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Check the centre contact of the dizzy cap. I`ve known them to be missing on 'new' ones. Easily overlooked. :thumbsup:

November 26, 2004

Check the centre contact of the dizzy cap. I`ve known them to be missing on 'new' ones. Easily overlooked.
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ah, I'll look out for that in the morning. But he did try the old rotor arm too - Maybe it was buggered

Thanks for you help :)

November 26, 2004

As it got a after market alarm fitted ??

November 26, 2004

As it got a after market alarm fitted ??
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Hi,

Nope it's the stock Toyota one

:thumbsup:

November 27, 2004

any other ideas?

I've got it home now, the center contact in the dizzy is present, ive even swapped the caps over and its still not firing :ffs:

I just want to try a few more things before Mr T collects it :crybaby:

November 28, 2004

Might be worth checking the cam timing. If it has jumped a couple of teeth it may

be sparking inbetween HT leads therefore not having enough spark to jump to

the lead... also is the spark yellow or blue.

One other thing... how are you checking the spark at the HT lead?

Fitting a spark plug into the lead and earthing the lead is best. Have seen people fitting a

screwdriver in the lead and trying to hold it near the earth with no spark

showing, but with a plug in a spark was seen.

November 28, 2004

Might be worth checking the cam timing. If it has jumped a couple of teeth it may
be sparking inbetween HT leads therefore not having enough spark to jump to
the lead... also is the spark yellow or blue.
One other thing... how are you checking the spark at the HT lead?
Fitting a spark plug into the lead and earthing the lead is best. Have seen people fitting a
screwdriver in the lead and trying to hold it near the earth with no spark
showing, but with a plug in a spark was seen.
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wow, im actually talking to jesus B)

anyhow, im testing a spark by earthing a plug.

the spark was blue and bright. since then ive been playing with the dizzy, swapping rotors and playing with the coil. now im not even getting a spark there :wacko:

so ive towed it to mr T today, where ill let him wave his magic wand over my poor student wallet :hokus-pokus: :crybaby:

cheers

-Dale

November 28, 2004

most of the advice you get on here is peoples own experiances , not always your predicament , as toyotas are complex machines , at times only mr t and his gadetry will do. :thumbsup: good luck my man ;)

November 28, 2004

most of the advice you get on here is peoples own experiances , not always your predicament , as toyotas are complex machines , at times only mr t and his gadetry will do. good luck my man ;)
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any advice is welcome advice :thumbsup: . cheers for the good luck, let hope im back on the road soon B)

November 28, 2004

you must be banging your head againsed a vey hard wall! i know i was when i had the same symtoms!

my cure was a 2nd hand coil pack off eBay but you said you have replaced yours?

was your coil pack a new one or a 2nd hand one? my crap coil pack gave a spark but must have been a weak one (there is test equipment to test how good your spark is) just my 2p`s worth anyway!

hope you get it sorted!

November 29, 2004

you must be banging your head againsed a vey hard wall! i know i was when i had the same symtoms!
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You're not kidding, its been 10 days now since I broke down, and each time I get a new part thinking it will sort it, I get excited, I just want to drive the beast again :P

was your coil pack a new one or a 2nd hand one? my crap coil pack gave a spark but must have been a weak one (there is test equipment to test how good your spark is) just my 2p`s worth anyway!
hope you get it sorted!
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It was a brand new one from Toyota, £84.50, then a new distributor of £345. I thought there was no point in using second hand parts as it seems a false econony. Anyway I have a refund on the coil and will be getting a refund on the dizzy :thumbsup:

If anyones worried about getting a refund from Mr T, then you can. The part must be unused (well clean it up good if you have used it :ph34r: ), in it's original undamaged packaging and must be returned before 15 days of purchase