Corolla T-sport Is A Nearly Car

[MattSturt]

I've had my CTS for 10 months now and am seriously thinking of trading it in. Great looking car with loads of goodies but I'm fed up of just sitting there waiting for the power band. I've been in some very tricky situations, one being when trying to pass an 1.8T VW Passat. Even found it hard to leave some saloon cars behind not to mention a mondeo diesel.

I think the problem is with the potential of the car, 190bhp, where is it ?. The times I've had close shaves cos the car just runs out of guts. For this to be a great car, I think it needs 0-60 in around 7 secs and power from about 5000 revs.

Are these figures possible or am I just dreaming the car is something it isn't. A car that leaves you so frustrated is the worst sort of car you can own, at least if you have a fiesta or something you know it's not even worth that sneaky overtake, but the TS always leaves you frustrated.

:ffs:

Matt

[Yarisboy]

I totally agree with you Matt, there's no reason why the power shouldnt come in earlier and the performance could/should be alot better!

sounds to me that you want a gradual smooth increase of the power from the car rather than a NOS type injection when the rpm is right

try looking at a VW 4motion mate, nice 204bhp of gradual power all accross the rev range, and without much effort u can get it chipped up to about 230bhp which gives excellent performance not to mention the handling B)

don't look for sympathy on here though, i think we'll be in for a good flaming

Sam :hokus-pokus:

[exon16m]

I would agree ... the problem is in two areas:

1) we need an affordable way to increase power ... a super charger would be nice (or should the TS been given a larger engine)

2) government: Traffic pollution is good for trees so why control it

Speed limits: In the uk keep us to 70mph and so cant legally get 4th into the higher revs (not that that it would help you overtaking)

[Yarisboy]

haha that 70mph speedlimit argument is awesome :group-cuddles:

TS should have been given a larger engine

Sam :hokus-pokus:

[Deejay]

Hi,

I don't own a CT-S, but I have driven a few of my mates ones. I have to say for a small car they do go pretty well, although they do hang around a bit before hitting the powerband, so I'd agree there. Thing is there are loads of mods for them all costing a fair bit (typical toyota), but all offering significant increases in power. I'm sure you'll get grilled over this but hey what the hell, everyone has the right to an opinion. If you want to move up a level instead of having to spend money on tuning your car I would suggest not going for the 4 motion. They have loads of power but cost a fortune. What about a celica st205 gt4, or a Civic type 'R'. Anyway get ready for an onslaught of T-Sport lovers

[phil3345]

All I would ask for is the lift to come in @5000 revs = perfect car

[acidman]

All I would ask for is the lift to come in @5000 revs = perfect car

I don't think that work !

Because the second cam is exactly on this point (6200rpm) when the power of the first cam decrease ! In other words : @ 5000 rpm the second cam doesn't produce more power as the first cam !

[Yarisboy]

I would suggest not going for the 4 motion. They have loads of power but cost a fortune.

not true, I can get hold of a 4motion for £16k

Sam :hokus-pokus:

[spwolf]

you simply have to change your driving style to suit 2zz-ge engine.... You have to keep it in low gears to drive fast... and then it is seriously fast car.

I had an owner of GTI PD 150 - which has I think like 3 times the torque of my CTS, but the guy was extremly impressed with the speed when I took him for the test drive... he wanted to trade in his GTI PD150 but he would lose too much money since he only got it few months back (and paid a lot more for it too)

If you are trying to be fast with CTS by driving at 3000 RPM it will not work.... keep it up and it will be fast.

actual 0-60 of CTS is around or less than 7 seconds... but again, keep it in low gears when you want to be fast...

besides, when I drive normally, due to its VVTL-i design, car spends almost as much gas as a normal 1.6 VVTI Corolla... which is pretty nice...

[exon16m]

haha that 70mph speedlimit argument is awesome 

I always drive at 30 in built up areas and would go 20 if they made a change in the law to be unlimited on the motorways when its safe to do so .... they already have the signs except they work in the wrong direction (down)

[phil3345]

Matt Before i bought my t sport

I tried the civic type r.If you want an all out racer its a better car standard better handling less weight quicker 0-60.On the downside less comfort no toys vsc air con etc and not so pretty!!!!

Whatever you do do not buy a golf gti td only 150 bhp thats not such a problem but it has loads of understeer horrible to throw around due to the diesel lump in the front.

But as sp says you gotta keep it revvin.Go out and give it a thrashin you know you want to B)

[gramacar]

You could also consider a turbo charged car like

Leon Cupra R which I have heard that it will come

soon with the good 225hp engine of the group vag. :)

[jerry phipps]

Well i still think that the corolla t sport is a good car still. Perhaps the power band could come in a bit earlier but hey when it comes in it comes in mate.

The yaris t sport the power band will come in at about 3800 rpm. Mine you you have only got up to 6500rpm so i suppose thats why the pick up is so close.

The corolla will get the lift at just over 6000 rpm so perhaps it would be nice to get it a bit lower down in the revs? Still i wont moan it's a great car to drive would love to own one ;)

jerry!!

[exon16m]

You could also consider a turbo charged car like

Leon Cupra R which I have heard that it will come

soon with the good 225hp engine of the group vag. :)

Dreaming but the car to go for will be the new audi S3

[jerry phipps]

Nice car but it's not japanese

jerry!!

[spwolf]

The corolla will get the lift at just over 6000 rpm so perhaps it would be nice to get it a bit lower down in the revs? Still i wont moan it's a great car to drive would love to own one ;)

you bet ya... its a good car period.

you just have to get used to it, and even though I never drove high revving cars before, its is a lot of fun and you never ever get bored... its a thrill ride, more so than any GTI or Leon can offer

believe me, driving a car at 8k rpm is stuff for gods, and it never feels strained or akward doing so, it really does seem as if it was built for it and it simply begs for more... who am I to deny it such pleasures?

:D

[gramacar]

You could also consider a turbo charged car like

Leon Cupra R which I have heard that it will come

soon with the good 225hp engine of the group vag. :)

Dreaming but the car to go for will be the new audi S3

I agree but consider the price. Current S3 has also problems

with 4-wheel drive diferential.

[jerry phipps]

Once you buy jap you never go back mate

jerry!!

[gramacar]

Once you buy jap you never go back mate 

jerry!!

Not so sure about that my friend.

I was an owner of 2 jap cars, honda and toyota.

Now I am also thinking about german.

But I agree that jap cars are the most reliable and they have

excellent engines.

[jerry phipps]

Hi gramacar

very true mate. The germans make very solid cars and the paint work is out of this world. But you cant bet the jap's for the reliability of there cars.

jerry!!

[spwolf]

blah, most ppl dont really understand how quality is important until their car stalls on the highways and it keeps breaking all the time ;-)

sure germans make great car... but in Auto Bild (german car mag), best Germany brand based on quality was BMW (4th), Merc (9th) and VW was 12th.... Toyota was first of course... this is confirmed in their ADAC ratings (their RAC i guess) and TUV....

when the germanz say that !Removed! are the best, it says a lot..

However, reliability isnt everything, which is why now !Removed! are not only making the most reliable cars but also some of the best ones... just compare current Toyota lineup with the one from 5 years ago

;-)))))

[Yarisboy]

don't think i've ever seen u give credit to anything but a jap/toyota/corolla spwolf :P

u just can't beat build quality of german cars

Sam :hokus-pokus:

[PaulT]

The Corolla is definitely a car for the thinking driver---it's no good

just putting your foot down and expecting to get instant acceleration.

However, once you have learnt the gear ratios and practised using

the rather slick gearbox then getting the engine set for overtaking

is not hard. Quick guide: below 50mph select 2nd gear, above 50mph

go for third ;)

And there is a reliable rev limiter, so you can trust the engine when

you keep your foot on the accelerator while changing gear. I admit

I bottled it the first few times I tried it, but you get confidence in the

mechanism very quickly. Just feels as though the engine is happy at

8000rpm :D

Cheers

Paul.

[corolla_sportivo]

That is good to hear PaulT. The Corolla Sportivo (T-Sport) has just been released this week here in Australia and when I get finances sorted I look forward to practicing my gearchanges.

It is great to hear all these positive and constructive comments. I think if someone buys a T-Sport chances are they want a drivers car and that it seems is what they get.

Not sure about the flat changes but I guess once you have confidence it is all ok.

One question. With such a high reving motor with high compression I wonder what the live expectancy is for the motor and driveline? Anyone done a huge number of miles in one yet?

Cheers

Rob

[TheNissanMan]

Toyota have been making high compression engines for many years so can't see that being an issue with the Corolla....

At the end of the day it comes down to how the owner looks after it...

I know mine is an older carbut she get's an oil change every 3k, or after 2 track days, or 3 months whichever comes first, sparkplugs twice a year, etc, etc... Probably over the top I know but would rather take better care of her than necessary than not enough, she doesn;t get driven softly so needs all the TLC she can get :) :) :)