My Celica's Are Up For Sale.

[Cubic Incubi]

However, not all of them.

My recent kidney problem has made me think about what I am able to do and I just dont have the energy for all of them. We are also selling up and moving into a smaller place into the countryside as I seriously need some chill time for a bit, I'm nearly crying as I right this thread - %$(, hear comes a tear - I feel daft, i'm a !Removed! grown man - but these cars have been so important to me for personal reasons and I will miss them both so so so much.

I'm keeping the 165 to turn it into a track car, and will be using all the valuable experience that I have gained by maintaining and loving the other two, so all is not entirely lost and I'm sure I can pour some love into the project and feel happy with my lot, but I will never ever forget them when they are gone - there are both excellent cars.

If anybody wants any details, let me know, sniff, sniff,

[daktari]

Aw, !Removed! hell man, thats harsh :( . I for one really hope that time and a more relaxed lifestyle will enable you to get back into the swing of things as soon as possible. And i hope that the Celicas go to a deserving home. I`m sure everything will come right in the end.

[Cubic Incubi]

cheers mate, i'm %$(ing sobbing - these cars have been very very symbolic during my 4 YEAR court battle to gain access to see my children - which I eventualy won last month.

My heart and soul went into these cars. they are worthy projects for any enthusiast.

[Calisto]

Oh Hun you have my love and hugs, I know how Celicas become a part off you :group-cuddles: .

But now is the time to think about you and your family and have some chill time :)

Good luck with selling your babies

[GT4 BOOSTER]

i only have 1 kidney , also only 1 celica ? does this make sence funny thing is my brother is looking for a celica , but he travels to work and its only half a mile , will the short trips kill the gt4 ?????

[martint]

dude i feel for you..... :( glad your thinking of keeping one, sadly live miles away other wise would love to help with your new pet project.... keep your chin up homey! B)

[Cubic Incubi]

i only have 1 kidney , also only 1 celica ? does this make sence  funny thing is my brother is looking for a celica , but he travels to work and its only half a mile , will the short trips kill the gt4 ?????

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dude, I would have gladly donated one of my kidneys if there was a chance i was never going to see my kids again, if donating it meant i would be a part of their lives.

There was a 17 year old lad in the bed opposite when i was in the freeman, he's having one removed - I felt rather insignificant with my kidney stone.

I'm so glad its over. 4 Years of HARD court battle and the district judge make a ruling at the end of last month.

its been emotional.

short journeys.

a lot of people suggest that short journeys kill cars.

In theory - yes it can, but in relation to lots of factors - its not a straight rule.

The biggest majority of car owners dont even know what kind of oil is in the engine, or grade of spark plug.

good awareness and maintenance, then no, it wont die.

the car was purchased by the previous owner with a failed HG, he sourced a replacement engine and fitted by Ian Smith, the renowned GT4 expert last year in March I think (have the recipts for exact dates) and it had 60K miles on it.

it had a 1.4mm TTE metal head gasket thrown in with ARP head studs.

the BHP is not confirmed, but I reckon it would give yours a pretty good run for its money. I drove a WRC import couple of months back and it wasnt half as aggressive or punty as mine.

As long as the car is taken up to normal operating temps (easily achieved in 1/2 mile) and as long as it is allowed to cool effectively if it has been boosted, then there will be no problem, if the advice i provide is followed and if further care is taken - ive driven the car as my main mode of transport and know it inside out - how many other owners are willing to give so much info when selling a car? it's not something that I must get rid of because of financial circumstances, so i'm not looking for a 'quick' sale.

I have been using a fully synthetic 5/30 through the winter and am moving onto a fully synthetic 5/40 at the weekend as it is recieveing a full oil change, it's due.

I have a thread in the for sale forum with information and I'd rather discuss the sale and all the particulars by PM or Email, I'm going to make a template to copy and paste you see, into PM's or Emails and i dont want to fill the boards with it or type things out again and again, its rather in depth giving a full breakdown of whats been done to the car and its current condition including maintenance advice.

Then you are left to discuss and get as many opinions as you want on the boards after wading through it and asking me any questions.

This is the way i'll prefer to do it.

I can answer general questions between now and getting the full report written, which should be completed tomorow and should put your mind at rest

I here too many times on the net about guys who get a reasonably good car wich is good mechanically and it just gets completely wrecked. I've done a lot of work to the car to make it work well and I wont let it go to anyone who isnt going to continue that ethos.

Obviously i've had my own ups and down and the learning curve has been good, and the car is not perfect, it is after all clocking 15 years on the roads.

let me know if you want the info by pm and I will add you to the list.

regards

Karl

[Cubic Incubi]

lets clear up a few misconceptions, no offence Mike.

you drive a different car - I am not speculating, I am telling people what this car, specifically the 185 will and will not do.

Perhaps you've had a GT4 in the past? if you did, I can guarantee you that you ran it differently to the way I have ran mine.

It will get up to its range of thermal efficiency within half a mile, and no - there is nothing wrong with it that makes it so.

It is not reccomended that you boost the turbo until it is in its range of thermal efficiency. we will discuss the engineering principals, but first;

This is specificaly why i do not want this discussion on the boards and would just prefer it if we left it at that and if your interested PM or EMAIL me, I had hoped that this thread would be with regards to perhaps a bit of sympathy because I was genuinely feeling upset and shed a tear, due to the personal nature of the reasons I own these cars and what they symbolised at the time.

perhaps i should have made myself more clear, in my for sale thread it clearly states to be discussed by PM or Email, however I wasnt aware this thread would turn into being told what my car does and how it operates.

if you car takes so long to get up to its range of thermal effiency then you have a problem and you are advancing friction wear - whereas I on the other hand am not, so lets duscuss it find out why and how.

so, let's get to it;

Oil, I use a fully synthetic oil because it is better than semi or full minerals - fact - it does not deteriorate as quick and offers better protection under high force and rpm of moving components.

5/30... what does it mean.

the first part of the oil grade - I use grade 5 because this is the rating of the viscosity of the oil when the engine is cold, which means it has greater flow when cold, which means that it gets where it needs to be, such as into oil journals, through the oil pump, through the block channels and importantly through the turbo bearing.

the second part of the oil grade - In the winter I used a 30 grade, this denotes how thick the oil is when it is hot, again it has good viscosity for flow, and i used a thinner oil in the winter because the engine temperatures where lower due to the ambient (ambient is the outside temp, not engine temp) temperatures being considerably lower.

Now that summer is approaching, I am going for a 5/40 because with hotter ambient temperatures the oil will heated 'more' therefore a thicker grade is req'd so it doent get 'too' thin.

so what does this mean - well it means that the oil gets to where it needs to be quickly, which means the engine performs better from a cold start, which means it gets to normal 'oil' temperatures quicker, and is not bad for the engine at all - in fact labouring the engine with a poor oil just causes advanced friction which is not good on a car that is about 1 second faster on a drag strip than a stock ST205 generation 6 celica GT4, and as my car is not stock, it is uprated, then it needs that extra protection using 'performance' rated oil.

Next - Coolant - I use Toyota red coolant, it is used to cool the engine, it soaks heat from the oil, it soaks heat from the atomised - compressed - ignited fuel charge, it does this by running through channels in the block, the oil also runs through channels in the block - so in fact. more importantly it also runs through and cools the turbo - So in effect once your oil is in it range of thermal efficiency, you can boost even if your coolant is not at normal temps - however, this is not possible as the temps for both oil and water are closely linked indeed.

Oil temps are a mixture of heat from the friction caused by the moving parts which it lubricated as it moves through the engine, not only is it a lubricant, but it is also a heat exchanger, it carries heat away from components, this heat is the further exchanged by the coolant, which is pumped through a huge matrix core heat exchanger which is air cooled - otherwise known as the radiator if we want to use its 'none specific and incorrect general term'. In addition, the oil has an oil cooler, so you see, there are lots to consider.

And that isnt even the half of it, thats just the basics.

I'm a qualified aircraft engineer and saw active service in the RAF when I was young, between 17 and 21 - so when some folks where doing degrees or at college or working low skilled jobs, I was trained to a high standard tecnically to work to exact tolerances and that was my schooling, I havent used that experience or training for a long time until recently, over the last 15 months, applicable to my cars - and i didnt remember it all at once, it came back through lots of research, trial and error. Now i'm pretty glad I can remeber that stuff because it has 'advanced' my learning curve considerably greater than someone who has no engineering background at all. And in addition I had to do this whilst under 'considerable' stress from personal issues. And I believe I have achieved.

Ive been applying these principals to my GTFour and will be applying what I have learned from this to run a 320BHP gtfour - with the 'same' series of engine with 'stock' internals on an older chassis. I am talking ferrai power mate, the kind of qtr mile times that fast cars run, like in the late 12's, like TVR V8 times mate.

Both st165 and st185 are WRC proven and the 185 ENGINE is a world class WRC proven Champion - fact. My ST185 is currently faster than the following tarts cars; Porsche boxster convertible, Nizzan 350Z soft top and the new BMW Z3 or 4 or whatver the hell its is and they all cost around £30K, yes ok the car is in a different class and its old - but thats the point mate, it can still do it and i dont need to be told otherwise.

Now, i'm not getting on my high horse, dont take me the wrong way, this is just me mate and we're all different, i'm very open minded and am a peoples person and have helped out in this forum for a while now, but only when ive something 'accurate' to add. I've learned to try and kerb my speculating and ill informed advice because it is tiresome for others ho have to read it. it's waste of time you see.

When I first used the forum I was full of dumb answers and stupidly phrased questions, because I was new and I didnt realy get much help, the technical ability of the users back then was slim to say the least, so I found my way to where the tech forums where elsewhere on the net, and came back now and again to help out.

but still I find a lot of the technical discussions on this celica forum are not accurate and I like to pride myself on my understanding and experience - which is why I dont want a thread - with reference to the sale of my cars filled with off topic remarks or ill informed engineering advice.

I will sell my own cars and will offer my own advice.

again, no offence is meant in any way, i'm just entitled to decide what gets discussed in my threads and what doesnt get discussed and speculation is definately not something I encourage. Ive spent over 15 months - solid - researching these 3 projects and have ploughed about £10K into it, on top of owning 4 other none celica vehicles and running them aswell and a few motorbikes.

I'm not in anyway an absolute expert and certainly dont see myself as the only celica infromation resource, but i like to think that i know what i'm talking about when it comes to my cars as have involved myself in them hugely - they were my babies and i treated them with care.

So I will say it one last time, if you want to discuss it start a new thread or send me an email or PM, my car gets up to its range of thermal efficiency within 1/2 a mile becuase i have set it up that way for maximum component longevity in the head and block and it should not be compared to a 3sge powered car, it has probably about 260-270BHP at 1 bar of boost which is more than 100BHP at the crank more than you - so its not even comparable and to state that 'There is no way you will get a celica, or any car up to operating temp in that distance, especially if you are warming it up carefully.' is daft and it shows that you didnt engage the brain before you posted that because I can gurantee that you nor anybody else on the internet has the kind of knowledge to make such a statement as that ould take VAST amounts of experience across soo many different marques of vehicles, some of which run Hyabusa bike engines - so lets not 'speculate'

I run nearly a quarter again on top of its stock power, so its fast, faster than a stock ST205 GT4, proven, at the track, with lots of ther gt4's from the GT4OC, fast enough for me, and a nice ride.

Now - you try typing all that when youve been constipated for 6 days due to medication which your still taking due to a ruptured kidney - and now you will understand why this topic, with regards to what my cars are about, is be discussed privately - because I do not want to get in any way stressed by having to deal with innacurate speculations, i'll deal with this privately so as to not cause stress whilst i'm in a stage of recovery - and i am certainly entitled to that choice.

I know mate - you were just posting your thoughts and you probably think ive over reacted, well perhaps i have, but my post has been fair, accurate and has made a point, and i'm not trying to belittle anyone.

Admin, if you think this is a bit out of hand, then I ask you delete mike's post including this one, and leave the rest from my last post upwards. I did state in my last post that I wanted to discuss the specifics of my car by PM or Email and only to those interested in purchsing it.

regards

Karl

[GT4 BOOSTER]

gotta agree with karl on this 1 , my st205 gets up to half way on the temp gauge after 1/4 to 1/2 a mile , happens really quick on the gt4's

[Leeky]

On a typical day (not the middle of heatwave in the summer, not the middle of a blizzard in winter) my Supra TT is at normal operating temperature less than 1/2mile down the road. more like 200-300 yards infact

[cookci]

oi am quite impressed also any car can warm up in such a short drive. i know non of the four NASP cars on my drive cant but hey everycar is different and afterall they are all NASPS :D

[Leeky]

oi am quite impressed also any car can warm up in such a short drive. i know non of the four NASP cars on my drive cant but hey everycar is different and afterall they are all NASPS :D

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It could be to do with the fact that turbocharged cars have the hot exhaust gas going through the turbo which may help warm the engine up quicker....just a thought

[GT4 BOOSTER]

everything on a turbo is quicker , gets hot quicker,gets to 70 mph quicker also runs out of petrol quicker.

[Cubic Incubi]

Calm down Karl. I am sorry if I have upset or offended you, and I am not trying to put anyone off buying any of your cars. But please don't try accuse me of making daft statements in thread and then request that I don't defend myself by posting a response.

I still stand by my statements:

1) Anyone planning a 1/2 mile journey should seriously consider walking.

2) I don't know of any car that has it's engine up to operating temperature in 1/2 a mile of gentle driving.

:group-cuddles:  :group-cuddles:  :group-cuddles:

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mikey mikey mikey , your at it again man, look i'm a nice bloke, and you know that and ok, maybe i went off on one, but your narrow minded and i have reasons, so we are both to blame, I will make an apology with regards my big post and this WILL be the end of tittle tattle challenging me on this thread and if you want to argue, please take it elsewhere

I'd very much appeciate it if you could send me a PM, a very in depth PM, OR start a new thread - with regards to;

Why you believe my engine is heating up too quick, not just speculative theories and comparisons to DIFFERENT engines, I mean specifically why the 3SGTE revision 2, with ATAIC and stage one modifications, which I will list, will heat up, because if you are right and I am wrong then I can not sell my car because it is broken and I am a man of moral fibre and will not sell a knackered car, unless I explain it is knackered and the buyer is fully aware of your theory/proven facts, so thank you very much for ruining my sale if you are right because I will not get what I had hoped and ive sunk over £7K into this project in nine months including the fuel and service materials, even though i'm just being witty amd you will NOT be right but hey lets give you a go at diagnosing my engine

honestly mate, i'm not taking the mick, and I havent singled you out tonight or anything loke that - i'm over my problems of Tuesday night/Wed morning but still feel we need to clear up one thing;

So mate, the spec for modified or uprated is;

JDM ECU

UK 60K revision 2 3SGTE

1.4mm TTE MHG

ARP Head Studs

Samco coolant pipe/hosess

Samco vac lines

Samco Air Intake hoses

Bliz SUS intake

NGK Iridium V groove Colder plugs (why dont you tell us what they should be gapped to?)

Toyota for Life coolant

Chevron 5/30 fully synth

Well Lane BOV (piston design)

Oil catch can with intake blocked, so used as an oil seperator and condenser

HKS FCD

K1ano MBC

Aussie 3.5" DP

New Style Mongoose Exhaust

TRD oil cap

Radiator fan set up to run constant

Short Shifter

Disblaed TSVS

uprated stage stage 1 clutch

The following is stock Mr T as it applies;

ATAIC

Leads

Dizzy

Mapping (consider HKS FCD though on setting 7)

Fueling (pump, rail, injectors etc)

Gear Box

Radiator + cap

oil cooler

all Thermostats and sensors

Pulleys

Internals (head and block)

and well... everthing else which turms the flywheel

and so we can be sure, perhaps a list all of the engines that you have studied, experinced and diagnosed and proven your theory on and type of engines i.e. 2 stroke, 4 stroke, ****el, steam engine, gas turbine, jet propulsion etc etc

This will give me and any body else interested, if posted on a new thread that you will create, the understanding with regards to your level of expertise, and of course if you prove me wrong, you will get 2 apologies this week and I will have to seriously reconsider the project I have been planning for over 10 months, and I will be grateful if you can save me from myself before I throw all the money I intend to spend.

And, I've learnt more by being wrong that I have by being right, so if your wrong this time, just take a bow and we can have a tinny each at JAE and laugh about the week Karl passed his kidney stone and decided to sell the car that he had put the most effort into out of all the cars he had ever had, and he was new to modifying, at 31 years of age.... and we can just chill surrounded by lots and lots of different cars that we won't claim to know everything about ;)

Anyway...

right;

if you feel you have to defend yourself, just send me a PM mate and i'll look at it next week when i'm fitter (I am recovering from a modification to my kidney as I await key hole surgery) Pour it all out into the PM, i promise, i'll take a look WHEN i'm fitter, ok dude, thank you.

and because I'm a nice guy...

Please accept a full public apology for my rant

however - i'd like you to try understand (not that you were aware in the first place, and I grant that) that i havent been at all well for the last couple of weeks, especialy these last 7 days, early this morning I was up because I hadnt passed any bowel movements for a week, had taken lots of laxitives and it still wouldnt work, i was in pain, still am, was on medication, still am, had a plastic tube in my abdomen from my kidney to my bladder to drain the kidney and i go to the toilet literally when its time, not when i want to.

but more imporatantly i was full of the brown stuff, literally, a weeks worth, my urine was getting discolloured mate - when youve got no where else for the stuff to go your blood absorbs a lot of stuff and your head doesnt quite know how to react.

and this isnt anybody's fault and certainly not the responsibility of the folks that use this forum, so i'm sorry. but i have reasons - ive re read my post (now that i am a bit better having past bowel movemenst 4 times since midday) and I did go a bit OTT and my behaviour was out of hand - yes for sure I typed that post - but it wasnt the normal carlos, i was compromised.

So apologies.................again.,

But i just hope that the point i tried to make, which i didnt make very well because i went on and on and on and ranted like a hari kari samuari, was understood, because there was some good tech info there but also a lot of giving you a hard time, and thats not what i'm about, and even though i said i wasnt belittling you - the way i wrote that, I was clearly to belittle you, and that is not me, because I am normally very helpful.

and if my true meaning was misunderstood... .

All cars are different, you can't just speculate and call it fact - especialy if you have limited experience, I speculate at celica club about the VVTLI engine, but it is speculation, and i term it as such until I am shown the way by an owner of a VVTLI engine, I term my speculations as 'typing as i think out loud' and they are questions, not answers or opinions - ... see if you had have said;

'Karl how does your engine get up to normal temps within half a mile'

then that may have been far more appropriate.... However i would have probably just flamed off at somebody else.... we owe each other a pint in my book.

can you see where i'm coming from mate?

so - yeah - i'm sorry and no 'but' this time, i hope you can forgive me and we can stop hitting each other with our handbags.

i would give you a sloppy kiss but my wife wont let me :D

So are we ok now on this thread, and DO you want to continue your line of advice and proven fact on another thread or by PM to prove yourself right and help me out by showing me where I have went wrong with my calculations for thermal effiency.

you may also want to consider offering different calculations for a range of atmospheric pressures for those who may have the same problem at varying altitudes or be subject to low or high pressure weather conditions, temperatures and levels of humidity.

cheers

:group-cuddles:

[ricomr2]

Congrats on your (very long and probably very stressfull!!) court case mate.

Good luck selling your very very nice cars.

And get well soon!

[Cubic Incubi]

well after I wrote that, I hit the sack - but i woke up through the morning about 6 times, because it feels like some one is standing on the end of my manhood

but yeah - i'll be getting mesel better, and I'm sorry if i've upset folks, but this 'is' the community that I socialise in, be it on the net or at meets and I've had no where else to turn.

my peeps are at work all day and i'm in bed at night and no one's been to visit. my mum & step dad live in france and my dad's working in norway - my younger brother don't wanna come and sit with me all night to watch me squirm... so all i have is a few books - time - and my wirelss lap top..

I love'sess you all. because you've all givenb me the time of day through my hardships and through the happier days.

because we share one passion..... Motoring.

sloppy hugs and kisses

p.s. anyone considering i may have a broken car and thinks its getting to hot too quickly, the topic has been raised and put to bed here - http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38320

[razza]

Karl, out of interest what price are you looking for? I Currently have a Gen 5 and am feeling the need to upgrade to the GT4, need that turbo

[daktari]

Karl, out of interest what price are you looking for? I Currently have a Gen 5 and am feeling the need to upgrade to the GT4, need that turbo

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Good man.... Don`t worry about the price. Just do it.