3sfe Engines In Celicas

[GT4 BOOSTER]

just asking for some easy pointers on this engine in the celica , do they use oil ,do they use platinum plugs,do you need to drive them like a 3sge to get em to shift.i assume this is the old gen 5 engine around 140 bhp so should be ok - car has done 128,000 km , needs a rear wheel bearing ( anyone had one done - cost etc ? ) also the air con isnt working ( places to get this sorted please )

its a ss1 jap import - my brother just bought it , converted him to the celica way of life.

[Cubic Incubi]

thats a Generation Six SS1 (ST202 chassis and body etc) 3SFE 2.0i JDM import. Similair in principal to the UK ST in terms of UK having two classes of celica (one performance and one economy performance) except the ST is a 1.8 7AFE. and has much less horse power. !Removed! always get a little more - they keep the best for themselves

Air con can be sorted by taking to a independant specialist, it is most likely to be air con compressor seals, but could of course be something else.

Doesnt need high grade plugs or anything like that - if of course it is stock.

Its a smoother Celica in terms of its driveability, hasnt got the range or aggression of the 3SGE GT/ss2 ss3 models, it uses low done toruqe to get there and is smooth throughout the power band - a conservative celica and just as good in every way as any other, it's different characterisitcs suit different people depending on there needs.

Increased fuel economy is a factor. A tad slower than the GT/SS2/3 but hey, it's not a race

My wheel bearing was done by my local MOT/Service station and it was cheap. about £30 iirc

The bearing was a bluprint type part and was abot a tenner, took the guy 2 mins. I should have dine it myself bu tat the time knew nowt abouth the hubs on a car and didnt have the time to look it up and do it. sort of thing you can do with the book in next to no time your self.

Parts for a ST202 fit.

Nice car mate - I bet he's pleased as punch :D

Cheers

[GT4 BOOSTER]

it came from benton , dont suppose you seen it kicking about karl ??, so the rear bearing is a 2 piece that sits in the rear hub ?? or is it part of the stub axle.and needs pressing in like the fronts ?

i had a st202 , but dont know the 3sfe engine at all. so all the suspension is the same as the st202 ??? just the engine is different , i pretty much know the basics of the st202 inside out.

[Cubic Incubi]

same as st202 except engine - sorry i dont know specific st202 hub bearing maintenance.

same block as 3sge except with FE head tis all (con rods are susposed to be lighter and pistons are dish cut - but i have no direct experience and comes from discussing Fe's with owners who know them inside out - like turbo'ing them etc)

to quote kwanza26 from http://www.6gc.net

".... As for the FE head design, it's a great design for optimal torque in the most used "driving range"....the FE head is specifically designed to make low-mid range torque, and that's not really gonna change, not even with mild cams or a mild street port job. Perhaps some hardcore porting and some big lift/duration cams can alter things... but typically, the head's original function won't change much, even with boost. The powerband will become exaggerated with boost, but the characteristics will pretty much stay the same. If you notice with all of the other boosted FE heads, the engines almost always made much more torque than horsepower. This is related directly to the head design and in cases to the undersquared design (more so with the 5SFE than the 7AFE). In any case, the FE head is EXCELLENT for boost... every bit as good as the GE head, but only at a different rpm range, arguably, a more useable rpm range. For example, Paradise Racing (http://paradiseracing.com/) built a turbo charged 3RZFE powered AE86 to run 8's in the 1/4 mile. Their set-up... FULLY built bottom-end... STOCK FE head. That says a thing or two about the efficiency for the FE head, and it's ability to be force fed"

more FE info here http://www.toysport.com/10tTechinfo.htm and here http://www.toysport.com/webpages/Techinfo/...FE20Engines.htm

never seen it mate, looks nice though :D

[martin_longbow]

Ho

I have recently acquired a celica on the 1994 with the 3s-fe engine. As far as I have discovered the rngine is quoted at being 128 bhp, 132, 135, 138. So I figure it is about 130 BHP. It is not the fastest car but it is a smoth quality ride very torqy at low revs.

The 3s-fe is common to several models such as avensis, camary, carina, rav4, MR2 and some others. I got a water pump for mine from a local autoparts dealer for £34, asking him to search using the engine code, he could not help me when I asked him to match celica.

My aauto data cd does not list it in the celica but gave me all the info I neded for the timing belt change

I have not pulled the back off as yet but it is disks all rount on mine so assume there wil be a stub axle in there, it is interesting what carlos says, I hope mine fall off, in my experience there is always the prising off using chisels etc. I sometime set to on the old bearing carrier with an electric welder simply to heat that boy up and encourage him to fall off but as I said I have not pulled me celica back end down yet so there is hope.

There is a posting on this site about manuals to download so it may be worth checking them

[Cubic Incubi]

ss1 3sfe is rated at 138bhp.

gets its torque in early and its torque that drives the wheels, not BHP.

waiting for power later, in my opinion, is not worth it. I want it from the word go.

Having best of both worlds is ideal, but not always possible.

I've really changed my tune with regards to the FE after being confused about them for the last few months.

They are toyotas most developed twin cam engines are are found in far more models than anything else over the last 15 years.

My brother had a fully guranateed and rig tested immaculate very very low mileage engine put in his paseo after the (previously Toyota Main Dealer repaired head gasket) engine lost compression. We discovered it was a hybrid toyota FHE developed for more aggressive cams and it has nearly 20bhp over the last engine, same cubic capacity, looks more or less the same and came 'out of the box'.

He's just bought a 12 month old Golf TDi with 4K on the clock for 9K, so the paseo is being sold (user 'Ten million' on this forum) he can't be bothere with modding or developing, hasnt got the mindset to consider comoplicated engineering principals - suspose its just not everyones cup of tea. His new car is rather nice though, good for him

[mikeb]

just asking for some easy pointers on this engine in the celica , do they use oil ,do they use platinum plugs,do you need to drive them like a 3sge to get em to shift.i assume this is the old gen 5 engine around 140 bhp so should be ok - car has done 128,000 km , needs a rear wheel bearing ( anyone had one done - cost etc ? ) also the air con isnt working ( places to get this sorted please )

its a ss1 jap import - my brother just bought it , converted him to the celica way of life.

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That looks like a tidy car.

The 3s-fe is the 'economy' optimised variant of the 3s engine, the ge is the 'performance' variant. The main difference is due to the angle of the valves in the head. The power curve is lower and broader on the 3s-fe engine, and more offers more torque at low rpm. So, you need to drive it quite differently to get the best from it. No point revving the !Removed! out of it! It should be slightly more economical on fuel than the 3s-ge too. :)

I would imagine oil consumption is very similar to the 3s-ge, but then oil consumption can vary considerably between 2 identical engines. Personally, I wouldn't bother with platinum plugs.

The usual aircon fault is that they need re-gassing, but sometimes seals can fail and the system won't hold charge.