Engine Options?

[DazH]

As my car now has the handling and braking to handle some more power I've begun looking at options for the engine conversion <_<

Initially I thought 4efte like a lot have done before but fancy something a bit different and think I might have an option that will work.

Was chatting to one of our customers the other day about what to put in just as he was reading one of the free car ads papers and he saw a Carina GTi for sale. Well it got me thinking, 3SGE engine and you can pick them up quite cheap and they put out between 155 and 175bhp :D

Just gauging what people think to be honest to see if they can see any obvious problems that I might have missed

[Humayun]

Im not entirely sure whatis envolved in doing that sort of conversion, but i have always thought of doin a Carina E GTI conversion!

The engines are bullet proof as are all Toyota engines and they put out respectable BHP in standard trim.

The 4EFTE is a straight 4ward swap but its common, i like your idea

[Ken]

If you can get the 3s-ge under there then stop messing about and go for the 3s-gte Daz

Dawesy should be free after nov to do it for you

[Jamesb4uk]

If you want to cut into the engine bay & get some custom mounts made up Daz go for it mate.

Its a very difficult swap mate but i'd agree with Ken, go the 3SGTE route..

think there was only 1 paseo with the GTE mate so its rare as anything.

J

[riko666]

there was joe, or psi joe, on paseopimp that had a 3sge paseo, and he decided to do the 3sgte recently (not sure if he's done) but he's done it, and it fits...but i dunno where he is now

otherwise you could do a 4age...its been done a few times, or could try a 4agze, never heard of that being done...

[scutch0]

or you could throw in your 3SGE and slap on some quad throttle bodies

Rich.

[Jamesb4uk]

there was joe, or psi joe, on paseopimp that had a 3sge paseo, and he decided to do the 3sgte recently (not sure if he's done) but he's done it, and it fits...but i dunno where he is now

otherwise you could do a 4age...its been done a few times, or could try a 4agze, never heard of that being done...

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Mate - lillian had the 3sgte swap Looooong before anyone else on Pimp..

J

[Richie (Paseo)]

How much you think itd cost to do a complete 3s-gte conversion?

[Jamesb4uk]

Fensport wanted about 5 grand for the swap.

J

[riko666]

meh, i wasn't on when she was there. was her car the pinkish 1st gen with the skyline rear lights? that was a very nicely done car...not to my liking but very nice.

meh, £5000 isn't too bad in retrospect...considering about £1000 - £1500 for the engine itself, and then stuffing that whole thing in the tiny paseo...but id hate to think what it would do to the handling stuffing such a big engine in the nose...the paseo might tip over and fall on its face!

[Jamesb4uk]

Yeah Riko that was hers. one of the most modded paseo's back when pimp started... but i think it was involved in an accident & was wrecked.

J

[matt_hillyard]

£5k for that swap, if i had that sorta money i wouls certainly go and give it to them right this v min no questions asked!!!

Then i could try and give Tim(sera_beetle) a run for his money!!

[DazH]

I know what you mean Ken

Only problem with the 3sgte is the cost, I can get a 3sge through a contact at work for less than £500 if I'm prepared to wait for the right one :) Plus I think it wouldn't be usable for day to day running, it's a lot of power for a car that weighs 900 kilo standard ;)

Still in the planning stage at the minute so no doubt I'll change my mind more than once :P

[paseoGT4]

for 5 grand why not go get mk5 celi gt4 for 2k and then fit ur paseo body onto the top of it or just buy a g5 celi gt4 for 2grand, and if u spend 3k on it - u could do wonders. Itd be more reliable, more usabe, a lot less effort, a lot quicker and handle loads better.

But it would be a work of engineering if u did it. anyone seen that twin engined turbo'd nova - thats crazy, someone should do that on a paseo. Why not take an accident damaged mr2 mk2 and shove the engine and rear wheel drive into the paseo, keep the seo engine in their, maybe uprate with a turbo or 4efte. Itd be a work of engineering genius.

im confused now, i dont hink ill buy any more seos - too tempting to blow money on.

[Richie (Paseo)]

Only 5k for the full 3s-gte conversion??? thats damn good!!! Wish id knew that 3months ago before fitting my new engine, I wouldav done the transplant!

But then like some of you have said, it is a damn big engine, probly would mess handleing and stuff up too much, and the 4e-fte seems abit too small of a upgrade.

Dont toyota make an inbetween turbo charged engine, maybe a 1.6 or 1.8???

Rich

[matt_hillyard]

Ive heard that a GT4 st-205 lump wont fit!!

[Jamesb4uk]

Only 5k for the full 3s-gte conversion??? thats damn good!!! Wish id knew that 3months ago before fitting my new engine, I wouldav done the transplant!

But then like some of you have said, it is a damn big engine, probly would mess handleing and stuff up too much, and the 4e-fte seems abit too small of a upgrade.

Dont toyota make an inbetween turbo charged engine, maybe a 1.6 or 1.8???

Rich

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You can get the 4age & turbo that - Rdmfan from Pimp was running low 12's on that combination.

J

[toyotasera.co.uk]

It depends what you want. The 4E-FTE is comparatively light and easiest to fit and can be tuned well. Your handling characteristics would be retained.

If you wanted to be braver, you could strip down your engine and turbocharge it using some parts from the 4E-FTE. These engines are torquier than the standard 1300 4E-FTE. Again you're not really changing the weight much, so balance isn't really affected

Changing away from an E series engine is an option, but you'll need to design custom engine mounts that will hold the engine in place and allow it to move slightly under acceleration and coasting and in reverse. (don't believe me - open your bonnet and watch whilst a friend drives the car forwards and backwards). You may need custom driveshafts. You will need patience of a saint, the possibility of an open chequebook and there will be teething troubles.

[Richie (Paseo)]

Yeah i suppose it all depends on how much youre willing to spent.

If you turbo the 5e-fe with parts from a 4e-fte, would you still have troubles with the wiring and ecu Andrew?

Rich

[sera_beetle]

Wait untill i get my 5e turbo slapped into the sera :D :D then it will shift

Then i could try and give Tim(sera_beetle) a run for his money!!

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But i tend to agree with paseoGT4 Why not buy a cheap GT4?? it would handle alot better!

but if you go the engine route like me i would say go for a 4efte or a 5e hybrid as it's alot more of a sensible conversion.. and i think you will be impressed with the results of a 1.3t :D:D i know i am.

Good luck on what ever you do

tim

[toyotasera.co.uk]

There will always be wiring issues, but staying within the E series range will always be a lot easier than using an A series or S series engine.

That is assuming you use a stock ECU.

There are things like the Greddy Emanage which is a piggy back ECU and would assist the standard Paseo ECU into managing fuelling and ignition. These require setting up though rather than the turbo ECU which is intended to be plug and play but doesn't respond to much tuning.

[*rollaboy]

a 3sge into a paseo. its a novel idea. but as andrew said, if you move outside of the "e" series, things will get very difficult. it would take the same amount of fabrication to drop in a 3sge, as it would a 3sgte (apart from a few extra jobs needed on the 3sgte), so if you could afford to buy a 3sgte, you will get much more of a bang for your buck.

the 3sge/3sgte weigh a considerable amount more than your standard engine,and again, as andrew said, it might have an adverse affect on your handling. so i dont think it would be worth transplanting a 3sge (even the 170 bhp model). if you really want a n/a engine, then an ae101/ae111 20v front cut would be the way to go. silvertop=145 bhp....blacktop=165 bhp. if you payed a little more, you could even get the 6 speed gearbox that came standard on the ae111 levin bz-r.

if your mind is set on the 3sge, then i would suggest you try and get your hands on a beams engine. they were available in the altezza rs 200 producing around 215 bhp.my cousin had one a while ago.they are quite fast, and the altezza weighs 1400 kilos. problem is they are rwd cars.

the blacktop beams engine was available in late model mr2 (sw20) and late model st202s. (also jdm cars only). they produce a bit less than the altezza, but crucially, the engine/gearbox is set up for fwd.they also both have lsd.

to my knowledge,no one on earth has done beams engined paseo.

in my opinion, the expense of fitting a normal 3sge will not be worth it for the power you will get (and the handling factor). it would be fast dont get me wrong, and would be much torqier than a 20v, but a 20v would be much more suitable.

sorry about the long post, but i have done my homework on this subject as i am doing a 3sgte swap myself.

[DazH]

Thanks for the comments everyone

To be honest the 5e hybrid has always been my intention from the start for the reasons a few have mentioned above, ie; weight distribution, handling etc. Was talking to Andrew at JAE about it. Just chucking a few ideas round before I budget

Fabrication wouldn't be a problem cos of the connections I have in the trade, the same can be said of every problem I'd run into to be honest. For instance one of our suppliers 5 miles away build custom driveshafts and have built them for F1 cars and CV joints for the Tuaregs competing in the Paris Dakar B)

Think I will stay with the hybrid option to be honest and see what power I can get out of that :D

[toyotasera.co.uk]

Well the !Removed! get 400hp+ out of theirs...

[Jamesb4uk]

so say if someone was looking into turboing the 5e Andy what would we need?

at the moment ive got on my list

manafold

gaskets

oil feed

oil drain

water lines

dump pipe flange

air filter

remote oil filter

turbo (duh!!!)

intercooler kit

piping

blow off valve

J