Adding Acetone To Fuel

[kingdeacon]

hiya, im well up for trying this. im not going to try it on my corolla gt just yet as not brave enough intill i tried it on something else. so my 1998 ford tansit 2.5 D (non turbo) will be my test. where do i get this stuff from?

thanks

[mr chris]

Some people say they can get it from hardware shops but when I tried they told

me they never heard of the stuff. I got mine from Polyfibre in Birmingham :- Polyfibre Ltd

18 Wainwright St

Aston

Birmingham

B6 5TJ

Tel: +44 (0)121 327 2360

Fax: +44 (0)121 327 3089

website :- http://www.polyfibre.co.uk/

Hope this helps,

Chris.

[Fat Slob]

Easiest place to buy 100% pure acetone is your local chemist. They all stock it usually in 50ml bottles for about 70p. My wife buys it to remove her nail polish.

[earpl]

thats cause it is nail pollish remover, just found this thread, gonna put a 1/2 gallon im my works transit

[Jinxed]

im gonna borrow my next door nieghbours lawnmower an slip some in that.... if he stops mowing thru mower failure ill get more sleep, if he finishes faster cos it works ...ill get more sleep lol j/k

[earpl]

well i started putting the right ammount in my transit van, no effect

now got to the stage of adding 200ml with £60 of fuel.......... no difference

Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****

[Jones~32]

Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****

Technically speaking....

[grandad]

Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****

Technically speaking....

Well now let me see, I run a Caldina GTT and after reading the initial thread I thought I would try this 'Acetone' lark to see what happened. Guess what ? Yep 10% increase improvement in fuel consumption. No I ain't foolin I have tried it time after time, and I get 10% improvement. I f I go back to no acetone, back to 24/25 to the gallon, but every time with acetone 10% better. This is with 60ml in a tankful of unleaded. I'm struggling to find a reasonable supplier but when I do I'm going to up the doseage, maybe 80ml ?? who knows waht will happen. 'fraid I ain't got no figures for emissions etc but thought I would share this with you all.

Grandad

P.S. if that is a crock, bring it on !?

[GT4 BOOSTER]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-LT-of-pure-Acetone...oQQcmdZViewItem

[karearea]

I use it in both my vehicles now. My Parents use it in theirs.

Getting 13-14km/L where I only ever made 10-12 without it in my 1990 Toyota Corolla 1.6GL for city circuit driving only. No motorway at all in that circuit. Better starts on cold mornings. The car has done 309000km and it starts first turn every time with acetone. Not so without it. (The carbie jets are shagged I think. It keeps overfueling after coming off heavy load.)

Also use it on a Toyota Caldina GT. Works a treat. Massive boost in off accelerator power and torque. ie, cruising at 100km/h foot not on the accelerator as much. 550km/tank instead of only 490-500.

Acetone in NZ sold by paint and hardware ships as paint thinner. 100% Acetone 1ltr bottles sold here for $12.00

Not bad considering I haven't used half a bottle and it's paid for itself already.

Also used on 1985 Mazda B1600 Ute with a nissan 2.3 diesel(bored, stroked and heads flowed with 4-2-1 extractors on 2.5inch free flow exhaust, K&N 6inch diameter rally breed pod filter.) (Don't look at me funny, it was my uncles rally support truck that he sold when he bought a better one) of the same vintage. Used to be able to fill the yard (or underground carpark...:P) with thick black/blue smoke on startup. Now only a tiny blue haze that disapears imeadiately. More like a car 5 years it's junior with 400,000k less on the clock.

I'd say it works for me.

Here's why some mechanics and all fuel companies seem to shun it.

It emulsifies the water which may be in your fuel tank or water trap and sends it through the injectors. Although this has the benifit of removing rust causing water from your fuel system. The water going through the injectors can also corrode them, as even while it is suspended in the fuel by the acetone, it retains it's chemical properties which can cause things to corrode.

However, alcohol and most fuel additives which use alcohol as a base, do exactly the same thing. And people readily put this in fuel the world over. So the argument against using it is esp flawed when the people arguing against the use of aceone for the water emulsion reason(ie fuel companies and additive companies) use alcohol which does exactly the same thing.

Saying acetone causes cylinder wall damage is a blatant lie. esp in newer cars. Acetone causes the fuel to evaporate before it even get close to the cylinder walls. where as with normal fuel it can as it doesn't evaporate fast enough. some proagander however suggests that raw fuel hitting the cylinder wall is a good thing as it aids in cooling the cylinder wall and lubricating the path of the piston rings.(yupp, good excuse aye. that's what I thought too. In a two-stroke yes... but in a fourstroke with it's own dedicated oil supply and the galleries to perform that exact function????? ;)

[Trueno BZR]

After reading the link on Acetone, I must say I am very tempted to do some testing of my own. It mentions that it increses your octane level, but no specific details. I am currently running my car on 95 even though it's a high compression engine mapped to run on 100 (not by choice, there is nothing else). So will this work and if so where is the best place to fill up as the petrol varies in different garrages?

[grandad]

After reading the link on Acetone, I must say I am very tempted to do some testing of my own. It mentions that it increses your octane level, but no specific details. I am currently running my car on 95 even though it's a high compression engine mapped to run on 100 (not by choice, there is nothing else). So will this work and if so where is the best place to fill up as the petrol varies in different garrages?

Hi, sorry I don't know what is available in Eire, but I have used fuel from BP, Shell, Esso. Always tried to stick to the major players and steer clear of the supermarket fuel stations, I'm not the trusting type, If they can sell it so cheap they must be getting it realllllly cheap, aka 'cheap and nasty' over here BP have a fuel which is 98/99 rated so when I have used acetone with I have noticed a difference in pickup, this a low rev's so without the turbo kicking in. As I have said i have a Caldina GTT which is the same drive chain as the Celica GT4 and I get a repeatable improvement with 60ml of acetone per tank full (60 litres) and more pep in the pickup.

[Trueno BZR]

Thanks for your reply. From your experience how long have you been using this and have you noticed any parts in your fuel system which have required replacing? Where do you find is the best place to buy pure Acetone? Also I read in the thread that Alcohol based fuels are even worse for the fuel system yet the fuel companies are using Ethanol (alcohol substance) to mix the fuels to create higher octane and higher effeciency. Is there any evidence to suggest that Acetone has a cleaning effect on engine components?

[swifty]

I've got a totally standard Yaris 1.4 D4D and will be trying the acetone mixture next week.

One other product i've used recently was Redex Diesel Cleaner, which i added half a bottle to approximately 20 litres of diesel. The next day i did a nice 40 mile run to Leeds which would've pumped it through the whole system.

After i'd used the Redex i noticed that the engine felt better and it was returning around 69-73mpg even around town/city driving.

Best place to purchase acetone? Well, anywhere that deals in fibreglass fabrication as it's one of the cleaners used for brushes and rollers to remove resin. Other place is chemists, as it's used by women as a nail polish remover.

I'm starting a new job in York next month which means i'm going to doing a round trip of nearly 100 miles a day on mostly National Speed limit roads. Once i start using the acetone i'll report back any gains in responsiveness and mpg etc.

[swifty]

I've got a totally standard Yaris 1.4 D4D and will be trying the acetone mixture next week.

One other product i've used recently was Redex Diesel Cleaner, which i added half a bottle to approximately 20 litres of diesel. The next day i did a nice 40 mile run to Leeds which would've pumped it through the whole system.

After i'd used the Redex i noticed that the engine felt better and it was returning around 69-73mpg even around town/city driving.

Best place to purchase acetone? Well, anywhere that deals in fibreglass fabrication as it's one of the cleaners used for brushes and rollers to remove resin. Other place is chemists, as it's used by women as a nail polish remover.

I'm starting a new job in York next month which means i'm going to doing a round trip of nearly 100 miles a day on mostly National Speed limit roads. Once i start using the acetone i'll report back any gains in responsiveness and mpg etc.

Well,i've used the Acetone a few times now and it does make quite a difference. It certainly improves the throttle response plus leads to an improvement in torque. At 70mph it was using about 200-400rpm less with no 'pinking' noise under load.

Best combination to use is around 50ml per 45litres. Don't use anymore than this as it doesn't have any effect. Also i've been running to York 5-days a week which entails a 100-mile a day trip at 70-80mph and yet it still returns 65-70mpg sometimes 73mpg if i take it a little steadier on the throttle.

[Jones~32]

At 70mph it was using about 200-400rpm less with no 'pinking' noise under load.

Can you clarify this for me? Your saying it changed your gearing??

[chris202]

I dont like the way each of these people have like only 2-5 posts each

[Jones~32]

I'm still confused how it can change your gearing?!?!

[Black Knight]

At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.

Means that you've a fairly uncertain long term assurance of the condition of a lot of the fuel hoses. They may be proof against it or you may find in a year or two's time they start to perish and you get fuel leaks.

There's a comment above for example that says alcohol is put in the fuel system the world over. A good example of this is Ethanol for example which is used in Flex-fuel vehicles. The problem is that unless these vehicles have specialised injector systems (using stainless steel in a number of the components) they are very prone to corrosion of the needles.

There's another comment about fuel hitting the side walls of the chamber. I've no idea if this is relevant to acetone (I'm no chemist) but on a 4-stroke engine it's definately a bad thing. It's a phenomenon known as fuel wash. Physically what it does is wash the thin layer of oil away from the chamber walls increasing wear on the rings and liner and then getting in the fuel. In small amounts it'll evaporate off but in larger quantities it'll build up in the oil and degrade it too. Not sure what acetone would do if it got in the oil too.

In summary, yes you may get performance benefits but it's largely unlikely that any car manufacturers have tested it; hence it's an unknown as to whether it would cause long term damage hence they'll err on the side of caution and warn not to use it.

Same with the fuel companies. They won't want to risk the damage to engines and the litigation that would end up being involved hence they don't do it and can't advocate it

So........feel free to use it and reap the benefits, just go into it knowing it won't have been evaluated on the vehicles and may have long term problems

[Matt Fretwell]

At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed

to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.

Fairly powerful is a tad of an understatement. :D The stuff is vicious. Definitely

not something I personally would allow anywhere near any engine.

[Asher222]

At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed

to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.

Fairly powerful is a tad of an understatement. :D The stuff is vicious. Definitely

not something I personally would allow anywhere near any engine.

I've just completed 50,000 miles from new in my phase-1 D-4D. Every tank in my D-4D had 40ML acetone added each fillup.

Total reliability, not one issue ever. First MOT and the mechanic reported the particulates were the lowest he had had from a diesel. I didn't mention the acetone to him so that was a pleasing comment.

Diesel engines have one bad thing, they emit HIGHLY dangerous particles which cause a provable number of heart attacks in otherwise healthy people each year -my apologies for not having the medical link to this at hand I will try and find it. Anyway these particulates are suspected to be from unburnt parts of the fuel. Acetone will increase the effective octane and increase the efficiency of the burn (this is where the power/torgue gains come from), and I will bet my house the number of emitted particulates are reduced on acetone as a result (you will NOT get a diesel to smoke on the right acetone mix).

Fuel economy is hard to judge as I always use the extra power from day-one and would be called 'lead-footed'.

I read an earlier post about someone dissing acetone after adding huge amounts... don't be a clown, the original post made it abundantly clear, no more than 45-50ML per 45L tank. How rich to call lack of results a 'crock of ****' when they couldn't even follow an instruction.

45ML in a 45000ML tank is too dilute to have any deleterious effects on rubber or silicone so stop worrying about that. I had a huge 10% mix of diesel/acetone in a metal tin soaking some fuel-line hose, some premium silicone hose (ex aquarium) and automotive rubber (part of a rubber gaiter) and after 3 months in a warm shed this summer showed no stress or pliability worries. A ten percent mix is huge, thats one-part in ten not the 1 part in one THOUSAND as is recommended.

I agree with an earlier post that acetone should be added by law at the pumps; it reduces emissions (which new data shows can be cardiac lethal) and it is environmentally sound (more economy). The extra power is simply a cherry on the cake.

It will not be law as even a 10% reduction in the amount of fuel we would need to buy for our traveling would be billions lost by Big Oil, who are not gonna let that happen anytime soon.

Sorry about my long post. I am just fed-up with some of the carping about this issue I have found on these forums, especially the one suggesting us acetone advocates are trying to work some kind of scam because we have '5 or less' posts. CID material that poster lol

[Black Knight]

However I still put my point forward that the parts are not evaluated against this and therefore the long term effects across a broad range of vehicles is not known.

If you get a benefit from it then congratulations and continue to use it as you see fit. My point is only go into it knowing you're doing something to the engine that it's not proven with.

In your reply above you've tried it on a number of hose types however I doubt you've done it against every hose type available to Toyota and even if you have variences in the manufacture/differing suppliers globally/changes to the hose design during production could all have an unpredictable effect

[John G8SEQ]

Has anyone tried this in their petrol engine yet?

I've been reading about adding acetone to diesel and petrol on various web sites. Some people report amazing gains, others say it doesn't work. I suspect thatthe people who can't get it to work aren't doing it properly! When mixing such small quantities ( 750 ml per 50 L for diesel and 1250 l per 50 L for petrol) it is best to mix the whole amount for 50 L in 4 or five litres in a can, then pour this into the tank gradually as you top up to 50L.

I suspect that those who report it as not working, have poured the whole amount into the tank, filled up without much mixing taking place. When they first run the engine this sucks acetone rich fuel ( which actually reduces performance & mileage) and uses it al up so pretty soon they are back running on unadulterated fuel.

de John G8SEQ.

[carlowlad]

Sorry to bring this topic back from the dead but do any of the original experimenters have any follow up data on the acetone in a diesel engine?

ollie

[GT4 BOOSTER]

i have tried this in both fuel type engines and found my fuel consumption went crazily up , half a tank just vanished .