New Yaris

[Ryan1985]

erm - the P1 and P2 yaris are the same car - just different headlights 

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Not quite! ;)

The main differences are up the top (pinned), not to mention the P2 1.3 being a whole new engine!

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woop-de-do.... its the same damn car - end of story! :P

;)

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:P

P1 rules! :D

[Fidgits]

actually, if you want to get pedantic - most motor manufacturers release an updated model every year - some years these are facelifted also, to try and encorage an uptake in sales...

So, firstly, you should be arguing over which year of the Yaris was best, rather than just phase...

and secondly - if they update the car, the newer model is superior, so infact, the P2 would have to be the better car - being the more updated version...

So either your wrong - or it doesnt matter ;) take your pick :P

[Ryan1985]

if they update the car, the newer model is superior

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Making it look worse is making it superior? ;)

The phase 1 was not changed at all until the phase 2 was released actually!

I suppose we'll need to agree to disagree!

[Fidgits]

Looks to me like Toyota introduced updates every year....

And they changed the lights woop-de-do squared ;)

And no, im not agreeing to disagree - since your point is either irrelavent or wrong, i'm just letting you decide which :D

[alanbradley]

Ffs - infants <_<

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[Demonic Angel]

Excellent points made.....

Ian is right though! :D :D

[Ryan1985]

Well i'm wrong but nobody likes a smart a**e! ;)

[Fidgits]

Ffs - infants <_<

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hey, im just fed up of all the phase nonsense - considering its the same car and irrelavent...

I just decided to actually voice my opinion for once

[RossP]

OK, now try to find the updates in the P1 and P2 Vitz... :P

[mjreid]

In all honesty i think there both very similar and someone who doesnt have a yaris will probably even mistake them for the same car.

However! when i picked my yaris it was the interior of the phase 2 which did it for me and that was all it was actually.

[Caz SR]

The fact is, most people know what you're saying is probably true Ian. It's become more of a little joke amongst the Yarii owners, tongue in cheek if you like. I think most of the comments originate from the look of the two cars.

[Fidgits]

Aye - but as we talked about in the pub Charis, its annoying when it turns up in every yaris thread... and hey, i've bitten my tongue till now ;)

[Al J]

Had one of each. Loved em both. Not a lot of difference except the lights, rear lenses, aerial and dashboard buttons. Oh and the dash display. Drive similar, look similar. Variations on the same theme.

Heck, even compare a Phase 2 T2 and a Colour Collection or T Spirit and there's a lot of differences between them but yes, it's the same car.

Biggest difference between the two phases for me?

About £6k. :P

[Lenry]

Did any Phase 2 Yaris's come with the manky grey bumpers?? Like my Phase 1.

[Caz SR]

I think colour coded bumpers were an optional extra on certain (P1) models, although I am yet to see a phase two without painted ones.

Please don't take offence anyone, but when I see those grey bumpers, I think aww bless... then they remind me of bumper cars. So cute. :)

[Al J]

I'm pretty certain the P2 had colour coded as standard.

I don't like the uncoloured bumpers but they are far better than the 'nappies' on the Ford Ka. I'd post a picture but you may have just eaten.

[Caz SR]

Very true - they'd take a lot to beat!

[jaxx]

The fact is, most people know what you're saying is probably true Ian. It's become more of a little joke amongst the Yarii owners, tongue in cheek if you like. I think most of the comments originate from the look of the two cars.

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yes its a joke....

better than those 'wanna-be lexus not good enough for the toyota Badge things'

PS phase1 rocks

[alanbradley]

Higher spec P1s had colour-coded bumpers but all P2s have "mainly" colour coded bumpers - there are black inserts on the lower spec models and colour coded ones on the higher specs.

Of course, if you have a black p2 then the inserts and mirrors are colour coded as standard - if you catch my drift...

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[Fidgits]

better than those 'wanna-be lexus not good enough for the toyota badge things'

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completley off topic - but how can a lexus be a wanna-be lexus! :P

[T600]

better than those 'wanna-be lexus not good enough for the toyota badge things'

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completley off topic - but how can a lexus be a wanna-be lexus! :P

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I think he's referring to the New Yaris which seems to have a Lexus look to it and a Toyota Badge.

Interesting someone should mention Lexus because I was thinking of it as an example where more cylinders aren't necessarily better. The 1 litre Yaris is still a 1 litre whether it has 3 cylinders or 4. The Toyota Altezzas had four, but when they were released with the Lexus IS200 Badge that engine was replaced with a straight 6 because the Lexus brand needed it to compete with BMW etc. But in fact the 4 cylinder BEAMS is better than the 6 in most respects. So I don't think we should assume that the 3 pot Toyota engine is no good just on the basis of the number of cylinders.

And on the subject of different phases or marks etc, I wouldn't even assume that the newer ones are better. Yes, in some respects they will be, but if you look at most cars you'll always find owners who genuinely prefer the older models over the new ones; it's partially a question of personal taste.

[Fidgits]

Actually i disagree with your Tezza argument.

Yes the 210bhp Beams 4-pot is a great engine - and certainly is a lot faster than the AS200 engine.

But the straight-six is silky smooth, and a much nicer drive than the 4-pot, and behaves more as you would expect in a Lexus, But i see your point and its a very valid one...

That said, I still think a 1.0 3-pot will be underpowered in the new yaris - to be honest, i think they should ditch the 1.0 altogether, since the new car is bigger and heavier, why not make the 1.3 the entry level?

As for your other point, were talking about 'minor changes' rather than new models, so im not sure i do, since generally things are improved, but i get your point about point of view, take for instance the Mk2 Mr2 - the rev 3 was much better than the 1 or 2, but because it was heavier, and even with the extra 20bhp, the purists didnt like it as much

But hey, i can see their point of view, the early model does look all cute and fluffy

[T600]

Agreed. I carefully said 'most respects' because indeed the 6 does have some advantages, the main one being that it is smoother and that suits the Lexus brand better. Personally I'd have preferred the BEAMS though, but didn't know any better until after I'd bought it and signed up to LOC. One day I'll get a Tezza with BEAMS engine hopefully. :D

Because more cylinders does usually result in a smoother engine, you would expect a 3 pot Yaris might be a bit less smooth than the 4 pot. However they can overcome the lack of smoothness with a heavier flywheel and other balancing techniques, so the difference might not be apparent. The three cylinder engine is almost certainly lighter which would be a big plus point for it.

I think the 1.0 is there for environmental reasons, but I can't see many serious drivers going for it. As you say, the extra weight will be an issue for the 1 litre, however many pots it has.

MR2 is a classic example of revisions and marks not always being an improvement. For me the Mk2 is better than the Mk3 because it has the features I wanted. However, the Mk3 is still a great car, and if it suits someones needs then of course to them it's much better than the Mk2. And what you said about the revisions of the Mk2 is exactly right too.

[Fidgits]

Ahh - but that was the point i was making - were talking about 'in model improvements' - which is why i mentioned the MK2 revisions...

I agree, replacement models arent always as good as the car they replace, as with your example - but thats a different argument, as thats a completley different car, rather than the same one with tweaks..

[jaxx]

better than those 'wanna-be lexus not good enough for the toyota badge things'

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completley off topic - but how can a lexus be a wanna-be lexus! :P

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completely missed the point.... as per usual....

topic now moved onto random no title related pants....

clozed....... :cacker: