D4d No Go!

[shutty]

Hi chatman

you could try the breakers in the Damaged Rav4's topic on here or failing that try http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/ they have a 4x4 section.

regards chris

Right the problem is probably this valve on the fuel pump

There are several electro diesel denso agents around the country which are recommended by Toyota

I have a list of them at work but i am not back till monday

Our local agent is Feather diesels in Halifax, They have replaced parts to pumps for us many times before

Im sure it would be less dealing with them direct

Have u asked your dealer the exact problem

[chatman]

Hi chatman

you could try the breakers in the Damaged Rav4's topic on here or failing that try http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/ they have a 4x4 section.

regards chris

Right the problem is probably this valve on the fuel pump

There are several electro diesel denso agents around the country which are recommended by Toyota

I have a list of them at work but i am not back till monday

Our local agent is Feather diesels in Halifax, They have replaced parts to pumps for us many times before

Im sure it would be less dealing with them direct

Have u asked your dealer the exact problem

Yep... They said they could send the pump away to be investigated but this may take two weeks....

Or buy the new part... If I could sort this myself I would but dont know where to start, what to do

Being without the car for two weeks is a nightmare scenario for me and work..... Drives ok still but not any power when you need it.

Can the job be done in one go.. I.E remove pump, replace valve re-fit pump ....

Thanks for you help Shutty.....

[shutty]

Hi chatman

you could try the breakers in the Damaged Rav4's topic on here or failing that try http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/ they have a 4x4 section.

regards chris

Right the problem is probably this valve on the fuel pump

There are several electro diesel denso agents around the country which are recommended by Toyota

I have a list of them at work but i am not back till monday

Our local agent is Feather diesels in Halifax, They have replaced parts to pumps for us many times before

Im sure it would be less dealing with them direct

Have u asked your dealer the exact problem

Yep... They said they could send the pump away to be investigated but this may take two weeks....

Or buy the new part... If I could sort this myself I would but dont know where to start, what to do

Being without the car for two weeks is a nightmare scenario for me and work..... Drives ok still but not any power when you need it.

Can the job be done in one go.. I.E remove pump, replace valve re-fit pump ....

Thanks for you help Shutty.....

They normally turn them around for us in about 3 - 4 days

It takes about 2 hrs to remove & 3 hrs to refit but we only work about 4 miles from our nearest denso agent

Some agents will do all the job and it should only take about 3 days

[chatman]

Hi chatman

you could try the breakers in the Damaged Rav4's topic on here or failing that try http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/ they have a 4x4 section.

regards chris

Right the problem is probably this valve on the fuel pump

There are several electro diesel denso agents around the country which are recommended by Toyota

I have a list of them at work but i am not back till monday

Our local agent is Feather diesels in Halifax, They have replaced parts to pumps for us many times before

Im sure it would be less dealing with them direct

Have u asked your dealer the exact problem

Yep... They said they could send the pump away to be investigated but this may take two weeks....

Or buy the new part... If I could sort this myself I would but dont know where to start, what to do

Being without the car for two weeks is a nightmare scenario for me and work..... Drives ok still but not any power when you need it.

Can the job be done in one go.. I.E remove pump, replace valve re-fit pump ....

Thanks for you help Shutty.....

They normally turn them around for us in about 3 - 4 days

It takes about 2 hrs to remove & 3 hrs to refit but we only work about 4 miles from our nearest denso agent

Some agents will do all the job and it should only take about 3 days

Cheers Shutty,

Spoke to a Denso agent called Bennets. He said they need the part number on the side of the pump.. to see if they have the parts in stock.. also could not give me a cost as they need to see the car...

What does one of these pumps look like and where in the engine bay do I need to look to get this info...Any diagrams on line to guide me in the right directions.. or are all parts the same numbers for all RAV's

[Webbo]

Hi chatman

you could try the breakers in the Damaged Rav4's topic on here or failing that try http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/ they have a 4x4 section.

regards chris

Right the problem is probably this valve on the fuel pump

There are several electro diesel denso agents around the country which are recommended by Toyota

I have a list of them at work but i am not back till monday

Our local agent is Feather diesels in Halifax, They have replaced parts to pumps for us many times before

Im sure it would be less dealing with them direct

Have u asked your dealer the exact problem

Yep... They said they could send the pump away to be investigated but this may take two weeks....

Or buy the new part... If I could sort this myself I would but dont know where to start, what to do

Being without the car for two weeks is a nightmare scenario for me and work..... Drives ok still but not any power when you need it.

Can the job be done in one go.. I.E remove pump, replace valve re-fit pump ....

Thanks for you help Shutty.....

They normally turn them around for us in about 3 - 4 days

It takes about 2 hrs to remove & 3 hrs to refit but we only work about 4 miles from our nearest denso agent

Some agents will do all the job and it should only take about 3 days

Cheers Shutty,

Spoke to a Denso agent called Bennets. He said they need the part number on the side of the pump.. to see if they have the parts in stock.. also could not give me a cost as they need to see the car...

What does one of these pumps look like and where in the engine bay do I need to look to get this info...Any diagrams on line to guide me in the right directions.. or are all parts the same numbers for all RAV's

If you look in the engine bay beneath the coolant bottle you can see the pump with a plate on the side of it. The number you need apparently starts with 09...... etc. though I gave the garage every number on the plate just to be sure they ordered the right part. Mine is going in to have a new valve fitted week after next, I was told that it can be fitted in situ??!!! Hope this is the case cos it'll save quite a few quid! if this doesn't cure the fault I'll be selling the car cos its driving me nuts!

Webbo

[chatman]

If you look in the engine bay beneath the coolant bottle you can see the pump with a plate on the side of it. The number you need apparently starts with 09...... etc. though I gave the garage every number on the plate just to be sure they ordered the right part. Mine is going in to have a new valve fitted week after next, I was told that it can be fitted in situ??!!! Hope this is the case cos it'll save quite a few quid! if this doesn't cure the fault I'll be selling the car cos its driving me nuts!

Webbo

Webbo,

What are you garage charging you to do this....and the part cost......

As I dont believe the pump is at fault as I get power some times, as if the valve is sticking then not... If the pump was at fault then I would get nothing....

Tried every Parts place on the net and came up with nothing so far.....

[Webbo]

If you look in the engine bay beneath the coolant bottle you can see the pump with a plate on the side of it. The number you need apparently starts with 09...... etc. though I gave the garage every number on the plate just to be sure they ordered the right part. Mine is going in to have a new valve fitted week after next, I was told that it can be fitted in situ??!!! Hope this is the case cos it'll save quite a few quid! if this doesn't cure the fault I'll be selling the car cos its driving me nuts!

Webbo

Webbo,

What are you garage charging you to do this....and the part cost......

As I dont believe the pump is at fault as I get power some times, as if the valve is sticking then not... If the pump was at fault then I would get nothing....

Tried every Parts place on the net and came up with nothing so far.....

they haven't given me any figures as yet. they were going to order the part today and let me know. So I'm waiting to see what happens. Whatever it'll be a damn sight cheaper than Toyota's!

Like you I don't think the pump is faulty itself just this valve. Went up country yesterday, behaved perfect going there, total nightmare coming back, gutless over 65mph. :ffs: Today no probs for about 5miles then same old story.

Apparently you can only get this part from a Denso dealer, I'll keep you posted with the outcome of mine.

Webbo

[chatman]

they haven't given me any figures as yet. they were going to order the part today and let me know. So I'm waiting to see what happens. Whatever it'll be a damn sight cheaper than Toyota's!

Like you I don't think the pump is faulty itself just this valve. Went up country yesterday, behaved perfect going there, total nightmare coming back, gutless over 65mph. :ffs: Today no probs for about 5miles then same old story.

Apparently you can only get this part from a Denso dealer, I'll keep you posted with the outcome of mine.

Webbo

Since I got the car back on Thursday morning..... It seems fine.. Still get the jitters every now and then but not as bad as it was...

Garage wanted to charge me £1400 for new pump and labour, said I would think about it and see what I can get... Put old parts back again... I then Filled the car with BP Ultra Diesel and seems to have made better for a while. Still need to get part done though.

I still dont think it is the Pump more the SP Valve as it's working fine for the moment...

Shutty.. could you or someone else who has experiance of these matters shed any more light on it... I will be finding out how much a new valve is and labour to fit....

Just one question..If the pump was broke would my car work at all...

[chatman]

Since I got the car back on Thursday morning..... It seems fine.. Still get the jitters every now and then but not as bad as it was...

Garage wanted to charge me £1400 for new pump and labour, said I would think about it and see what I can get... Put old parts back again... I then Filled the car with BP Ultra Diesel and seems to have made better for a while. Still need to get part done though.

I still dont think it is the Pump more the SP Valve as it's working fine for the moment...

Shutty.. could you or someone else who has experiance of these matters shed any more light on it... I will be finding out how much a new valve is and labour to fit....

Just one question..If the pump was broke would my car work at all...

Just been speaking to another garage who specialise in 4x4. They suggested it may not be the pump but unsure. Could take pump off and send away for diagnose and maybe fix.But also suggested it may be the Air Mass Meter, and to try this option first. (garage never suggested this)

Change with another same vehicle to see if same symptoms occur.

Also are the Fuel pumps for RAV4 coded to the car, garage was unsure of this point, if the casethis means Mr T is the only person to do this...

£90 for AMM £10 quid to fit is a bit easier to stomach than £1500.... If not the problem, then I need to start saving now... :( :( :(

[Webbo]

Since I got the car back on Thursday morning..... It seems fine.. Still get the jitters every now and then but not as bad as it was...

Garage wanted to charge me £1400 for new pump and labour, said I would think about it and see what I can get... Put old parts back again... I then Filled the car with BP Ultra Diesel and seems to have made better for a while. Still need to get part done though.

I still dont think it is the Pump more the SP Valve as it's working fine for the moment...

Shutty.. could you or someone else who has experiance of these matters shed any more light on it... I will be finding out how much a new valve is and labour to fit....

Just one question..If the pump was broke would my car work at all...

Just been speaking to another garage who specialise in 4x4. They suggested it may not be the pump but unsure. Could take pump off and send away for diagnose and maybe fix.But also suggested it may be the Air Mass Meter, and to try this option first. (garage never suggested this)

Change with another same vehicle to see if same symptoms occur.

Also are the Fuel pumps for RAV4 coded to the car, garage was unsure of this point, if the casethis means Mr T is the only person to do this...

£90 for AMM £10 quid to fit is a bit easier to stomach than £1500.... If not the problem, then I need to start saving now... :( :( :(

Hhmm never thought of that, Believe it or not at the mo mine's running nice and sweetly, which is just typical! It won't last though! Was talking to another garage today and they reckoned it was a fuel related problem with mine. Its going in next week to have this SPV valve fitted anyway, so I'll just wait and see.

[Webbo]

Since I got the car back on Thursday morning..... It seems fine.. Still get the jitters every now and then but not as bad as it was...

Garage wanted to charge me £1400 for new pump and labour, said I would think about it and see what I can get... Put old parts back again... I then Filled the car with BP Ultra Diesel and seems to have made better for a while. Still need to get part done though.

I still dont think it is the Pump more the SP Valve as it's working fine for the moment...

Shutty.. could you or someone else who has experiance of these matters shed any more light on it... I will be finding out how much a new valve is and labour to fit....

Just one question..If the pump was broke would my car work at all...

Just been speaking to another garage who specialise in 4x4. They suggested it may not be the pump but unsure. Could take pump off and send away for diagnose and maybe fix.But also suggested it may be the Air Mass Meter, and to try this option first. (garage never suggested this)

Change with another same vehicle to see if same symptoms occur.

Also are the Fuel pumps for RAV4 coded to the car, garage was unsure of this point, if the casethis means Mr T is the only person to do this...

£90 for AMM £10 quid to fit is a bit easier to stomach than £1500.... If not the problem, then I need to start saving now... :( :( :(

Hhmm never thought of that, Believe it or not at the mo mine's running nice and sweetly, which is just typical! It won't last though! Was talking to another garage today and they reckoned it was a fuel related problem with mine. Its going in next week to have this SPV valve fitted anyway, so I'll just wait and see.

Well the garage have just come back to me and their fuel injection specialists now tell me that there is no SPV valve fitted to my pump???? its a common rail injection pump, and doesn't have this valve fitted! Apparently it now looks like the whole pump has to be sent away for a recon. Mega bucks by the sound of it judging by previous quotes in this forum..

The thing is its an intermittent fault and no-one seems to be able to get to the bottom of it. When the problem occurs the car is totally gutless, trouble is there's no saying when it'll occur. I can drive it sometimes for miles with no prob, then other times just a few miles and its crap. can't see how it can be the pump otherwise it wouldn't go at all. Bit reluctant to spend 1000 quid+. Not sure what to do now. AMM is an option but again don't want to spent 100 quid and find its not that.

[ackers]

I've started to get the same problem on my Previa d4d.

ECU test while it was doing it registered 75% pressure drop in the common rail.

Changed fuel filter etc. but still misbehaves intermittently.

Hard driving seems to bring mine on, sedate driving and it's fine.

Found this on a web search: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=...bycar/index.htm

"On D-4D cutting out can also be caused by a build of of salts on a hot wire in the airflow sensor."

Mentioned on Rav4 and previa description.

Is this the same fault or something unrelated?

[chatman]

I've started to get the same problem on my Previa d4d.

ECU test while it was doing it registered 75% pressure drop in the common rail.

Changed fuel filter etc. but still misbehaves intermittently.

Hard driving seems to bring mine on, sedate driving and it's fine.

Found this on a web search: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=...bycar/index.htm

"On D-4D cutting out can also be caused by a build of of salts on a hot wire in the airflow sensor."

Mentioned on Rav4 and previa description.

Is this the same fault or something unrelated?

Hmm mine still playing up :censor: :censor: have to use wifes car for longer journeys as mine hates hills guttless..

Mine does not cut out just restrained and slowly builds up speed and other times it's like a scalded cat I still dont thinks it's the pump but could be wrong.

Webbo.... Looks like were in the same boat..I will take mine into a different garage and get them to look at it.. but like you I aint paying 1000 quid for something that is not broke....They even said sending pump away may not fix it.....

Any mechanics out there who know more about D4D Diesel engines.....

:ffs: :ffs:

[shutty]

I've started to get the same problem on my Previa d4d.

ECU test while it was doing it registered 75% pressure drop in the common rail.

Changed fuel filter etc. but still misbehaves intermittently.

Hard driving seems to bring mine on, sedate driving and it's fine.

Found this on a web search: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=...bycar/index.htm

"On D-4D cutting out can also be caused by a build of of salts on a hot wire in the airflow sensor."

Mentioned on Rav4 and previa description.

Is this the same fault or something unrelated?

Hmm mine still playing up :censor: :censor: have to use wifes car for longer journeys as mine hates hills guttless..

Mine does not cut out just restrained and slowly builds up speed and other times it's like a scalded cat I still dont thinks it's the pump but could be wrong.

Webbo.... Looks like were in the same boat..I will take mine into a different garage and get them to look at it.. but like you I aint paying 1000 quid for something that is not broke....They even said sending pump away may not fix it.....

Any mechanics out there who know more about D4D Diesel engines.....

:ffs: :ffs:

They are two names to this valve tbh its better known as SCV valve, Supply control valve

Just done another rav today

Pump off, sent away to feather diesels, SCV replaced under warranty, pump back on - sorted

If you contact feather diesels they may give u a price to replace once the pump is removed

[chatman]

I've started to get the same problem on my Previa d4d.

ECU test while it was doing it registered 75% pressure drop in the common rail.

Changed fuel filter etc. but still misbehaves intermittently.

Hard driving seems to bring mine on, sedate driving and it's fine.

Found this on a web search: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=...bycar/index.htm

"On D-4D cutting out can also be caused by a build of of salts on a hot wire in the airflow sensor."

Mentioned on Rav4 and previa description.

Is this the same fault or something unrelated?

Hmm mine still playing up :censor: :censor: have to use wifes car for longer journeys as mine hates hills guttless..

Mine does not cut out just restrained and slowly builds up speed and other times it's like a scalded cat I still dont thinks it's the pump but could be wrong.

Webbo.... Looks like were in the same boat..I will take mine into a different garage and get them to look at it.. but like you I aint paying 1000 quid for something that is not broke....They even said sending pump away may not fix it.....

Any mechanics out there who know more about D4D Diesel engines.....

:ffs: :ffs:

They are two names to this valve tbh its better known as SCV valve, Supply control valve

Just done another rav today

Pump off, sent away to feather diesels, SCV replaced under warranty, pump back on - sorted

If you contact feather diesels they may give u a price to replace once the pump is removed

Thanks for your help Shutty....

Sent of email to them see what they say.... Going to book mine into 4x4 specialists near me, very helpfull on phone :) and told me about AMM route...Me thinks rebuild is in order for pump so I'm going to have to stump up the cost.... :!Removed!: :!Removed!:

I like my RAV too much...

Came from French car with big ****..... so dont start me on problems...

[Webbo]

I've started to get the same problem on my Previa d4d.

ECU test while it was doing it registered 75% pressure drop in the common rail.

Changed fuel filter etc. but still misbehaves intermittently.

Hard driving seems to bring mine on, sedate driving and it's fine.

Found this on a web search: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=...bycar/index.htm

"On D-4D cutting out can also be caused by a build of of salts on a hot wire in the airflow sensor."

Mentioned on Rav4 and previa description.

Is this the same fault or something unrelated?

Hmm mine still playing up :censor: :censor: have to use wifes car for longer journeys as mine hates hills guttless..

Mine does not cut out just restrained and slowly builds up speed and other times it's like a scalded cat I still dont thinks it's the pump but could be wrong.

Webbo.... Looks like were in the same boat..I will take mine into a different garage and get them to look at it.. but like you I aint paying 1000 quid for something that is not broke....They even said sending pump away may not fix it.....

Any mechanics out there who know more about D4D Diesel engines.....

:ffs: :ffs:

They are two names to this valve tbh its better known as SCV valve, Supply control valve

Just done another rav today

Pump off, sent away to feather diesels, SCV replaced under warranty, pump back on - sorted

If you contact feather diesels they may give u a price to replace once the pump is removed

Thanks for your help Shutty....

Sent of email to them see what they say.... Going to book mine into 4x4 specialists near me, very helpfull on phone :) and told me about AMM route...Me thinks rebuild is in order for pump so I'm going to have to stump up the cost.... :!Removed!: :!Removed!:

I like my RAV too much...

Came from French car with big ****..... so dont start me on problems...

Well Chatman as you say looks like you and I are in the same boat! I'm reluctant to stump up 1000 quid + but if it does the job it's cheaper than another car, cos like you the car is great otherwise. I'm sure its something to do with fuel pressure as well like Ackers mentioned earlier in the forum with his Previa. The only thing is will it cure the problem? Shutty you seem to think so, having done a few, were all those down to fuel pressure faults? or don't you know?

[chatman]

Well Chatman as you say looks like you and I are in the same boat! I'm reluctant to stump up 1000 quid + but if it does the job it's cheaper than another car, cos like you the car is great otherwise. I'm sure its something to do with fuel pressure as well like Ackers mentioned earlier in the forum with his Previa. The only thing is will it cure the problem? Shutty you seem to think so, having done a few, were all those down to fuel pressure faults? or don't you know?

Webbo, received email back from Feathers Diesel.

Sent them an email asking for cost's and here's there reply...

"Typically these Denso Common Rail pumps, similar to those on Mazda's

etc,

are being repaired for £400 - £450. This involves replacing the

defective parts and calibrating on the test bench.

We can arrange for free collection and delivery of your pump and

generally these are repaired within the same day and despatched back to you.

Please get in touch if you require any further information.

Regards

Jeff"

I will try and contact them by phone to ask some more but seems the route we need to take...

Well me being in Essex and you in Wales and Feathers in Yorkshire.. should be fun..

Add this to the £150 ish for removal and refitting the pump...

B) B)

[ackers]

The ECU controls the pump and pump pressure.

I'm managing to live with my problem at the moment as I currently need the car daily and it's okay pottering around town.

I wonder if rushing in and tearing the pump apart is the way to go.

Seems an expensive exercise if it's not broken.

I'm considering eliminating the cheaper MAF sensor option, although I havn't researched the cost.

On some cars, the hotwire although very fragile, can be carefully cleaned with carb cleaner, not sure about the d-4d though, so may need to be replaced or better still, temporarily swopped with one from a sound vehicle.

[Webbo]

Well Chatman as you say looks like you and I are in the same boat! I'm reluctant to stump up 1000 quid + but if it does the job it's cheaper than another car, cos like you the car is great otherwise. I'm sure its something to do with fuel pressure as well like Ackers mentioned earlier in the forum with his Previa. The only thing is will it cure the problem? Shutty you seem to think so, having done a few, were all those down to fuel pressure faults? or don't you know?

Webbo, received email back from Feathers Diesel.

Sent them an email asking for cost's and here's there reply...

"Typically these Denso Common Rail pumps, similar to those on Mazda's

etc,

are being repaired for £400 - £450. This involves replacing the

defective parts and calibrating on the test bench.

We can arrange for free collection and delivery of your pump and

generally these are repaired within the same day and despatched back to you.

Please get in touch if you require any further information.

Regards

Jeff"

I will try and contact them by phone to ask some more but seems the route we need to take...

Well me being in Essex and you in Wales and Feathers in Yorkshire.. should be fun..

Add this to the £150 ish for removal and refitting the pump...

B) B)

Well Chatman thats alot cheaper than I was expecting, £600ish is a damn sight cheaper than £1400 !!

It looks like the only way to go though. I'm going to make a few more enquiries for a Denso specialist in the Cardiff area, and see if I can sort something out. I notice that Ackers mentions about cleaning the wires in the AMM with carb cleaner, I'll try that as well as its easy to get to on the top of the air intake pipe and only two screws to undo. Anything to get it running better!

[ackers]

Finally got around to having my Previa properly checked over while the misfire was happening.

'Toyota Auhorised Centre' diagnosed that the spill valve is on the way out (whatever that is?).

I think they said £119 for the part plus 2 hours labour @ £90 per hour. £300ish+VAT.

No parts in stock, so it's going in next week when the part arrives.

Hopefully be able to drive it out of the city without fearing hills.

We'll see.

[ackers]

Got the car back today. Runs perfectly and final bill at £260 actually cheaper than they quoted.

Invoice states "replaced both suction control valves as per bulletin and cleared fault from ECU". Labour was just over an hour as it was not necessary to remove the pump.

Seems just occasionaly although expensive for most jobs, the Toyota specialist workshop knows best!

[ackers]

Got the car back today. Runs perfectly and final bill at £260 actually cheaper than they quoted.

Invoice states "replaced both suction control valves as per bulletin and cleared fault from ECU". Labour was just over an hour as it was not necessary to remove the pump.

Seems just occasionaly although expensive for most jobs, the Toyota specialist workshop knows best!

[chatman]

Got the car back today. Runs perfectly and final bill at £260 actually cheaper than they quoted.

Invoice states "replaced both suction control valves as per bulletin and cleared fault from ECU". Labour was just over an hour as it was not necessary to remove the pump.

Seems just occasionaly although expensive for most jobs, the Toyota specialist workshop knows best!

Ackers,

Glad your up and running...

Mine goes in again on Monday for 50k service and to rectify this problem... hopefully they will find exactly what is causing this. O and it's not a MR T garage either. Nice independant who talked through everthing they will do.....I will take these messages into them for reference...

[Webbo]

Got the car back today. Runs perfectly and final bill at £260 actually cheaper than they quoted.

Invoice states "replaced both suction control valves as per bulletin and cleared fault from ECU". Labour was just over an hour as it was not necessary to remove the pump.

Seems just occasionaly although expensive for most jobs, the Toyota specialist workshop knows best!

Ackers,

Glad your up and running...

Mine goes in again on Monday for 50k service and to rectify this problem... hopefully they will find exactly what is causing this. O and it's not a MR T garage either. Nice independant who talked through everthing they will do.....I will take these messages into them for reference...

Mine also is going in next week to be sorted once and for all I hope! It'll be nice if its the same fault as Ackers had.. a bit easy to rectify than taking the injection pump off! although I must admit I have that sneaky feeling mine has a fault with the fuel injection pump. Chatman, keep me posted on the outcome of yours.

Webbo.

[ackers]

I had a look at what had been done to my Previa and the new part is screwed into one end of the pump.

Had to remove the cooling fluid bottle and a some other bits to get to it.

RAV 4 may be a different arrangement of course.