High Mileage Gen 7 Celica

[ToyCelica190]

Hi,

looking for an opinion, would you guys buy a Celica 190 with full toyota service history if so what the max you would pay? It's advertised as a Premium and Dynamic pack and is a 51 plate. For the age obviously the vast majority would be motorway miles i'd say but do you think it would be wise to buy with the mileage? To add, I wouldn't do that many miles per year, i.e less than 10k

going on from that, what is the highest mileage gen 7 celica out there?

[CarinaII]

If it has the 3S series engine in, i'd have absolutly no quibbles at all.

But with haveing the 1.8 VVTLi in, i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

[sotal]

I don't think 100k is high mileage for cars these days. It should obviously reflect in the price of the car, but it's only 25,000 miles a year. I used to do that and trust me 25k can go quickly in one year with a little commuting - I managed to do a full 25k one year without leaving staffordshire.

As long as the price reflects the mileage I'd go for it

[ToyCelica190]

I think its a fair price considering it has the premium and dynamic pack (not entirely sure what that entails though other than leather and a bodykit of sorts) it's also the colour I want.

[mikeb]

It's venturing into the unkown a bit, there's not many gen 7s around yet with that kind of mileage. In theory, modern car engines should be good for 200k miles, but that particular engine model is at the edge of the performance envelope, and it has had 'issues' already.

Personally, I don't feel that Toyota's are put together as well as they used to be 10 years ago. There are signs of corner cutting to save costs. They are well engineered, but there are still signs of designed to very tight margins.

Another way of looking at it is a car that's done 100k miles in under 5 years is going to have done mostly motorway miles, which hardly put's any wear on the car (unlike 100k miles driving in stop start urban conditions).

[ToyCelica190]

It's venturing into the unkown a bit, there's not many gen 7s around yet with that kind of mileage. In theory, modern car engines should be good for 200k miles, but that particular engine model is at the edge of the performance envelope, and it has had 'issues' already.

Personally, I don't feel that Toyota's are put together as well as they used to be 10 years ago. There are signs of corner cutting to save costs. They are well engineered, but there are still signs of designed to very tight margins.

Another way of looking at it is a car that's done 100k miles in under 5 years is going to have done mostly motorway miles, which hardly put's any wear on the car (unlike 100k miles driving in stop start urban conditions).

thats the only thing that really concerned me - the issues with the engine that i've already read about.

I suppose at least it's been regulaly serviced at toyota so they should have fixed and possible problems.

Another thang that springs to mind is that if i'm paying less for the car as it's a high miler atleast I can't lose as much when I do eventually come to sell it (cuz i'm not paying much for a high spec car), plus by that time the milage should have evened out (ish)

anyway, we shall see, the car isn't near me anyway so I havent even seen it.

it's in the middlesex

[ToyCelica190]

looked on some US forums and there are a few cars over there over 100k and no real reported problems other than synchromesh on the gearbox. Highest one I saw was about 160k

guess it all depends on how it sounds/drives/looks

[Asterix187]

i would rather get a slightly older one with less miles. I have a V plate with 27,000 on the clock when i bought it last year. Runs like a dream and has had nothing wrong with it yet, all for £7500ish

[chris202]

Personally i think it would irritate me whenever i looked down down at the mileage - i dont know why because as we all know toyota are among the best in the world for reliability and build quality .

I dont think you'd have any problems as long as its been well maintained and looked after , if its clean and you feel good about it go for it

[GT4 BOOSTER]

a factor to bear in mind is "how many miles will you put on it "

[ToyCelica190]

yea, all valid points guys cheers.

I too would look down and probably be a little annoyed by what the odometer shows!

either way I wont rush inyo anything, I just want a black 190 Celica, not bothered about sport packs or dynamic packs although I would prefer the leather interior.

the car this thread is on about is a little over £6,500

[GT4 BOOSTER]

6.5 k speaks import gt4 to me.

[ToyCelica190]

6.5 k speaks import gt4 to me.

I like bits of them (front and side) but really think the back looks dated as do most interiors i've seen, I often make long trips and i'm sure the fuel economy would do my head in - sorry guys no offence meant, just my personal opinion (like the front and the engine tho), also the insurance would be a hell of a lot more, that was the main attraction of the Celica (gen 7) over the Civic Type R.

My original budget was £8.5 but just wanted to spend as little as possible really as I might be moving in the next few months and i'm going on holiday next month

[rick345]

me personally i would go for it but milage never bothers me before i got my celica st182 (and it as 176,000k and still going strong). i had a 3ltr V6 omega and when i sold that it had just turned 215.000k it had full service history and it's last MOT it failed on N/S wishbone balljoint. and i still see the chap that has it now and he's had no probs as yet. so if a vauxhall can reach those mile's am sure a toyota can do better.

but it's all down to personnal choice

rick

[chris202]

6.5 k speaks import gt4 to me.

190 or GT4 - sorry guys but the gen7 aint half as sexy as the ol'6

[rick345]

na the 5 the better looking ;)

[GT4 BOOSTER]

motorway miles in a gt4 isnt far from what a gen 7 190 would be off boost reguarding fuel consumption

[Special Red]

Basically dont be put of by a car with a high mileage. I'd rather have a three year old car with 75,000 than one with 20,000. I know your gonna say Im a crazy but here me out. Example, The car with 75,000 will have effortlessly cruised on motorways, causing minimal wear and tear (other than tyres etc). The car with 20,000 is obviously used by someone who just travels short distances, basically doing alot more braking/accelerating/turning/kerbing and other things that affect the life span of components more than say, someone who sits at 70mph on the motorway for 5 hours a day.

Now I normally look for low mileage cars but to be honest as long as its serviced regularly I find that thats the most important thing. The mileage is just a number so you would'nt find it irratating me at all. I would like to finish by saying I have never owned a more reliable car than my Celica and with 116,000 miles on it, it feels as good as the day it was made.

Can you tell the mileage?

[sotal]

Basically dont be put of by a car with a high mileage. I'd rather have a three year old car with 75,000 than one with 20,000. I know your gonna say Im a crazy but here me out. Example, The car with 75,000 will have effortlessly cruised on motorways, causing minimal wear and tear (other than tyres etc). The car with 20,000 is obviously used by someone who just travels short distances, basically doing alot more braking/accelerating/turning/kerbing and other things that affect the life span of components more than say, someone who sits at 70mph on the motorway for 5 hours a day.

Now I normally look for low mileage cars but to be honest as long as its serviced regularly I find that thats the most important thing. The mileage is just a number so you would'nt find it irratating me at all. I would like to finish by saying I have never owned a more reliable car than my Celica and with 116,000 miles on it, it feels as good as the day it was made.

Can you tell the mileage?

How do you know the one who did 75k didn't just go on the motorway for 5 hours a day - then when they reach the city/town do exactly the same as the 20k one??? They can't just sit on the motorway all day! You also normally get much worse wear on brakes form motorway driving and there can be problems from heating when you come off the motorway (ie working the car hard at fast speed is OK when there is lots of air going in, but then when you slow down the car stays hot but doesn't get the air cooling it down)

In my opinion at the end of the day a low mileage example is normally better

[Special Red]

I would beg to differ about the brakes as they will be used alot more in urban driving conditions. In regards to over heating,the radiator fan should sort that out and unless your driving like an idiot I think you'll find that revs can be as low as 3000 rpm which coincidently is the recommended amount of revs you require to change gear. It takes alot less strain to keep a moving car moving. so your car will over heat just as much in built up traffic when its getting no air and at least its at optimum running temp and not being driven on most journeys with a cold engine(you've seen the advert)! ;)

Normally motorways are located near to places(bit of a coincidence don't you think) so whilst they will OBVIOUSLY have to drive around town it may be a couple of miles compared to (like myself for example) the 15 miles I have to do on A-roads.

I would go for the lower mileage car if it was less than 3 years old but Service History is the deciding factor anyway I was simply trying to explain to ToyCelica 190 that high mileage cars should not be dismissed so easily!

[sotal]

Agreed - that he shouldn't dismiss high mileage, and agreed that that the fan *should* stop any problems, but the only time I've done a lot of day to day motorway driving I used to eat brake pads. Driving my 5 miles to work each day now and they hardly go down at all. I might press the 50 times a day with short journeys but it's only going from 30-0 wheras on the motorway 1 press of 80-0 or even 80-30 to exit will take a lot more off them.

I realise that some people might drive 1 mile to the motorway then drive 50 miles on the motorway then only a mile to there destination. I was just trying to point out that not everybody does. My nearest motorway is as far as my short journey to work. So currently I do 5 miles to work and back a day = 10 miles per day 5 days a week = 50 miles per week = 2600 miles per year which is low miles. If I worked in Manchester I would do the same 5 miles as before to get to the motorway - then 30 miles on the motorway + whatever is needed to get into manchester - which would be 70+ miles per day which is suddenly about 18200 miles a year.

So looking at my examples the car could have done 2600 miles or 18200 miles per year. A big difference but according to what you were saying the high mileage one would be better as it would have been on the motorway most of the time. I was simply trying to point out that it wouldn't necessarily be true!!!

The other factor to look at is if you use the M6 it's slower driving than the A roads!!!

[Spuffington]

Has anyone tried driving a Gen7 in normal conditions at engine speeds of less than 3,000rpm when accelerating? There's no torque!

Normal operating rpm when accelerating is up to 4k rpm, only higher than that when really making progress.

Re: the brakes - I have to agree that motorway driving potentially inflicts far more wear on brakes than around town. Whilst on and off of them around town, you're only really slowing from 30-0. Think about it - on a typical motorway journey you're cruising at or above the national limit, a car pulls out in front of you, or a sign lights up which everyone slows to read(!) which has a domino effect back through the traffic (as lots of people don't know how to use "acceleration sense" and suddenely what should be a gradual braking becomes a harsh braking scenario, slowing a car from c. 70mph down to 30-40 very quickly.

The heat developed in that very short (but intense) period of braking is significantly more than that produced at lower speeds and is exactly what contibutes to warping of brake discs or glazing of pads & discs. Just because you're not using the brakes often on the motorway, doesn't mean that they don't get 'abuse'!

[Special Red]

I hate when other people make sense!!!! ;)

To be totally honest mate Im bored out my head and was picking an argument to give my brain something to do!!!

I hate the M6 like I hate Scousers! (in a football context)

Come on what else can we argue about...sorry discuss?!?!?

[sotal]

I hate when other people make sense!!!! ;)

To be totally honest mate Im bored out my head and was picking an argument to give my brain something to do!!!

I hate the M6 like I hate Scousers! (in a football context)

Come on what else can we argue about...sorry discuss?!?!?

It's just one of my pet hates when people say motorway cars are better to buy, having said that the last 4 cars I've purchased have had around 100K on them. The Celica is the most reliable car I've ever owned and also the highest mileage at 115,000