1.3 Or D4d T Spirit

[b1ackb1rd]

This is not a decision you can rush at ... arriving in the drivers seat of a D-4D from Planet Petrol means that you drive with more revs and miss the whole point of a diesel.

Try and hire a diesel for a week from Hertz or wherever, the £100 will be worth it when you make the right choice.

My other half does 80 miles per day in our Yaris and returns over 65 mpg on every tank, the figures are more often than not over 70 mpg.

My mother has a 1.3 petrol Yaris and it's horrible, no GRUNT whatsoever.

[Blue84]

My mother has a 1.3 petrol Yaris and it's horrible, no GRUNT whatsoever.

Nah they aren't horrible, they are just different obviously! For a lot of people (me included) we don't neccessarily want a lot of "grunt", we just want a car that's nippy/fast, is economical and copes well with heavy loads when neccessary with both the 1.0 and 1.3 do ;) altho the 1.3 does find it a easier job.

[alanbradley]

If I can interrupt here...

The diesel is great (yeah, yeah, you all know I'd say that...) BUT you really do need to be doing the miles to make it cost-efficient because of both the higher cost of diesel and the higher cost of the car in the first place.

If you're not racking up the mileage then you really would probably be better with the 1.3...

hth in some way or other!

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[Starensis]

I would agree with previous posts on the Diesel V's petrol debate. The saddo that I am, I actually worked out that it would take 3 years to recoup the additional costs a Diesel incurs ( higher OTR cost, Fuel price higher, Service intervals less, Service costs higher etc ). That was based on 10K per annum.

My wife has the 1.3 VVT-I Colour collection, with A/C & rear spoiler. Looks a very nice car + she gets 42 mpg whislt doing mostly urban driving. Would possibly achieve 50+ on a run.

The Colour collection is almost a T-spirit. I think the only add-ons are Manual sunroof ( Manual!!!! ) & electric mirrors ( how often do you adjust them? ). Get the A/C & rear spoiler & you won't be disappointed!

[selfbuild]

Something else you my wish to consider is the terrain around Plymouth. Hills will make a big differance to your mpg regardless of whether you choose petrol or diesel. The D4D will fair better because of the lower torque than the 1.3 petrol, so should still give a reasonable mpg.

It your choice at the end of the day, but I would test drive both and see which one has to work harder especially going up hills.

[alanbradley]

I actually worked out that it would take 3 years to recoup the additional costs a Diesel incurs ( higher OTR cost, Fuel price higher, Service intervals less, Service costs higher etc ). That was based on 10K per annum.

You're right, of course, but I should point out that the service intervals are the same as the petrol Yarii (10k) and the prices I pay to have my D-4D serviced are less than many people seem to pay for their 1.0s...

At 10k p/a it wasn't even worth considering the diesel from an economy point of view. When I bought my first diesel I was covering about 25k p/a so it was/is worth it...

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[Horza]

All very valid points guys, the hill thing is well thought out a far as the torque is concerned, i forget that large parts of the UK are actually quite flat :D

A specialist diesel dealer has 2 x T3 d4d sat on his forecourt for £6995 each, 54 plate only a few miles away.

Of course we then get into the slightly less pragmatic reasons for choosing a specific model, ie alloy wheels, spoilers, electric this and that......"oh! diesels smell don't they?" etc etc. In the end i am going to be no further along until i actually get both of us in a few cars to compare on home territory. Finances hopefully being sorted on Thursday, from then on it's up to a dealer or two to waste some of their time/test drive

Cheers

[toodlechops]

DIESELS SMELL!!!! YOU KNOW IT MIGHT BE ME BUT I AM SURE PEOPLE STILL RELATE TO DIESELS LIKE THEY ARE OLD TRACTORS, MY MATE HAS A SEAT LEON CUPRA TURBO DIESEL AND I CAN HONESTLEY SAY ITS AMAZING 150BHP AND MORE TORQUE THAN A SHERMAN TANK!!!! SO YOU CAN STICK YA PETROL!!!

[Demonic Angel]

Diesels are ok, but our Corolla does sound like a tractor!

Horza - sounds like a plan, waste as much of their time deciding as you like - you'll know what the right choice is for you!

[Horza]

DIESELS SMELL!!!! YOU KNOW IT MIGHT BE ME BUT I AM SURE PEOPLE STILL RELATE TO DIESELS LIKE THEY ARE OLD TRACTORS, MY MATE HAS A SEAT LEON CUPRA TURBO DIESEL AND I CAN HONESTLEY SAY ITS AMAZING 150BHP AND MORE TORQUE THAN A SHERMAN TANK!!!! SO YOU CAN STICK YA PETROL!!!

No need to shout, think we all have our hearing aids turned up sufficiently Now a Cupra would be nice, for me obviously but maybe not the wife. Note the quotation marks on the "smell" comment, having owned a diesel or two in my time i don't have a problem....however every time we are following a Peugeot 106 diesel(which seems to be the most common diesel around here) the first thing that happens is a comment on the smell. So as i have said i need to get us both in a few cars with different engine configurations to show both myself but most importantly my wife(whose car it will be) the benefits of each. Therefore an informed decision can be made.

[alanbradley]

The Pug diesel in the 106 is really quite an old design. The modern toyota designs only have that problem at startup on cold mornings.

I've actually noticed that the only modern diesels I see smoking are the volkswagen/audi/seat/ etc ones under even only moderate acelleration...

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[Horza]

Have no fear, i will be trying out all engine variants.

This is a big purchase for us so it needs to be the right decision, including if necessary persuading the wife that diesel is best. If indeed it is best for our circumstances. Won't know 'til i try them all out, hopefully within a week or so.

Thanks everyone, will let you know i get on.

[Rayburn]

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