Quick Question

[shahidafridi]

sorry guyz you must be really sick of me by now!

one final question

does anyone know if the crank sensor for a celica 94 GT is in the distributor?

if that makes sense

thank you guys

[Bibbs]

the dizzy is nothing really .. it's a rotor arm, and then a cap with 4 contacts and a king lead connector ..

[sotal]

sorry guyz you must be really sick of me by now!

one final question

does anyone know if the crank sensor for a celica 94 GT is in the distributor?

if that makes sense

thank you guys

According to what the others said based on your test it is the magnetic pickup sensor that has gone, this I presume is in the distributer and is a sensor which senses the RPM. Maybe this picks the signal up from the crank and that's why they called it a crank sensor??

It looks like you've got three choices, go hand over loads of cash to a mechanic who will fix it, go to a scrappy and get a distributer and repalce it, or take it apart and give it a good clean and then reassemble it

[shahidafridi]

guess il try opening it up and discovering whats inside it!

sorry guyz you must be really sick of me by now!

one final question

does anyone know if the crank sensor for a celica 94 GT is in the distributor?

if that makes sense

thank you guys

According to what the others said based on your test it is the magnetic pickup sensor that has gone, this I presume is in the distributer and is a sensor which senses the RPM. Maybe this picks the signal up from the crank and that's why they called it a crank sensor??

It looks like you've got three choices, go hand over loads of cash to a mechanic who will fix it, go to a scrappy and get a distributer and repalce it, or take it apart and give it a good clean and then reassemble it

[GT4 BOOSTER]

here's what you will find .Check the multi plug going into the dizzy also , make sure its not loose or broken.

[shahidafridi]

thanks gt4 booster;

didnt actually get round to looking at it yday;

tis really anoying as some people have told me that the 'crank sensor' is in the distributor whilst others have said its a totally different thing

[mikeb]

the dizzy is nothing really .. it's a rotor arm, and then a cap with 4 contacts and a king lead connector ..

No, the dizzy also has the angular position sensor inside it (i.e. the crank position sensor). It connects with a 4 pin connector, and provides signals G1, G2, and NE to the ECU. There is NO toothed wheel or position sensor on the crank on these cars, it's all done from the dizzy.

Looking at the EPC pictures, it appears that you can only buy the housing complete with the sensors.

[shahidafridi]

mike B i could kiss you!

so if im getting fault code 12 whch points to the crank sensor, and your saying that this is in the dizzy, i should basically get a new distributor?

the dizzy is nothing really .. it's a rotor arm, and then a cap with 4 contacts and a king lead connector ..

No, the dizzy also has the angular position sensor inside it (i.e. the crank position sensor). It connects with a 4 pin connector, and provides signals G1, G2, and NE to the ECU. There is NO toothed wheel or position sensor on the crank on these cars, it's all done from the dizzy.

Looking at the EPC pictures, it appears that you can only buy the housing complete with the sensors.

sorry didnt get that!

appreciate it mate really do

[mikeb]

The air gap should be between .008" and .016"

These might help:

[shahidafridi]

cheers mike

i guess i should replace the dizzy then as im not really that technically minded

any ideas what the model number is so i can order one?

im at work with the micra today!

thank u

[mikeb]

Well, if Booster has pulled up the correct EPC page, it looks like 19235 to me (thats not the full part number though). But I can see it being an expensive part, so you should really check yours out before you Shell out for a new one. It's very easy to check the resistances if you have a multimeter (or get a friend to do it). I am surprised that the components are not available separately. I'd be inclined to get a second hand replacement from TCB.

[shahidafridi]

cheers iv been quoted 60 quid so far..obviously second hand

do you reckon that sounds a bit dodge? ie too cheap?

plus im assuming if i asked for the 3sge celica gt 94 distributor i cant be too far out?

cheers

Well, if Booster has pulled up the correct EPC page, it looks like 19235 to me (thats not the full part number though). But I can see it being an expensive part, so you should really check yours out before you shell out for a new one. It's very easy to check the resistances if you have a multimeter (or get a friend to do it). I am surprised that the components are not available separately. I'd be inclined to get a second hand replacement from TCB.

[GT4 BOOSTER]

best to spend 60 to find out its not the dizzy at fault, than spend 200 .IMHO

[daktari]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he said.

[shahidafridi]

lol cheers guyz

i think im gonna take a gamble and buy the dizzy

if its that then im sorted (and if the crank is in here!!even toyota dont know whether it is or not!!)

if not il have to pay for another diagnostics and then some more for watever the problem is

but mikeb's kinda got me convinced plus the diagnostic carried out previously stated fault code 12 and points to crank sensor

sooooooooooooooo!

[chris202]

lol cheers guyz

i think im gonna take a gamble and buy the dizzy

if its that then im sorted (and if the crank is in here!!even toyota dont know whether it is or not!!)

if not il have to pay for another diagnostics and then some more for watever the problem is

but mikeb's kinda got me convinced plus the diagnostic carried out previously stated fault code 12 and points to crank sensor

sooooooooooooooo!

and lets be honest mikeb aint usually wrong I'd put my money on his suggestion !

[shahidafridi]

cheers chris

its unbelievable though how one single sensor can prevent my car from actually starting at times!!

lol cheers guyz

i think im gonna take a gamble and buy the dizzy

if its that then im sorted (and if the crank is in here!!even toyota dont know whether it is or not!!)

if not il have to pay for another diagnostics and then some more for watever the problem is

but mikeb's kinda got me convinced plus the diagnostic carried out previously stated fault code 12 and points to crank sensor

sooooooooooooooo!

and lets be honest mikeb aint usually wrong I'd put my money on his suggestion !

[mikeb]

its unbelievable though how one single sensor can prevent my car from actually starting at times!!

The crank sensor tells the ECU what position in their cycle the crank and pistons are in. It needs this information to know when to fire the fuel injectors and ignition spark - without it, there is no way your engine will run. There are actually 3 sensors in the dizzy for this purpose - Ge1, Ge2, and Ne. It's all expained here (pages 5 and 13 are particularly useful for you):

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h23.pdf

I still think it's worth sticking a multimeter in the connector and checking the resistances before you buy any replacement parts. It could just be a dodgy connector or wiring, or it might even be a faulty igniter (I think code 12 potentially covers this as well).

[shahidafridi]

cheers mike;

if its a faulty igniter wat then?

its unbelievable though how one single sensor can prevent my car from actually starting at times!!

The crank sensor tells the ECU what position in their cycle the crank and pistons are in. It needs this information to know when to fire the fuel injectors and ignition spark - without it, there is no way your engine will run. There are actually 3 sensors in the dizzy for this purpose - Ge1, Ge2, and Ne. It's all expained here (pages 5 and 13 are particularly useful for you):

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h23.pdf

I still think it's worth sticking a multimeter in the connector and checking the resistances before you buy any replacement parts. It could just be a dodgy connector or wiring, or it might even be a faulty igniter (I think code 12 potentially covers this as well).

[mikeb]

cheers mike;

if its a faulty igniter wat then?

Then replace the igniter unit. It's most likely to be the sensors in the dizzy though, don't worry about the igniter until you have eliminated the dizzy from the equation.

[shahidafridi]

cheers mike

i hope it is the crank sensor, as that is what was specifically stated on the diagnoses sheet..and i can get hold of one for 60 quid, iv also negotiated to buy a second hand one which i can return and get 75% of the price back if i find it doesnt work

igniter unit sounds ever so expensive!

got my mechanic coming round tmrw and having a look

cheers mike;

if its a faulty igniter wat then?

Then replace the igniter unit. It's most likely to be the sensors in the dizzy though, don't worry about the igniter until you have eliminated the dizzy from the equation.

[daktari]

Fingers crossed for you mate. Hopefully it`ll be a relatively cheap fix.

Looking forward to the next 'quick' question.

[shahidafridi]

:P haha

seriously though this forum is the best ima go gold soon if its a cheeap fix!

my way of saying thank u for everyone helping me

i wont use specific names as il leave sum1 out but you know who you guyz r!

Fingers crossed for you mate. Hopefully it`ll be a relatively cheap fix.

Looking forward to the next 'quick' question.

[shahidafridi]

ok so this is ths situation now!!

i paid fifty five quid for a dizzy....another 50quid for fitting and a further diagnostics so alll in all for a dizzy and fitting and two diagnostics i paid about £160

expensive?

gotta pick her back up tomorrow...hopefully shel be fine...they guy said she starts first time now with minimum effort so pray for me guyz!

oh yes and i need some new tyres as apparently a few r bold....they seemed fine to me!! i will check them out tomorrow

and insurance is due......*****!!!! :ffs: :censor:

:P haha

seriously though this forum is the best ima go gold soon if its a cheeap fix!

my way of saying thank u for everyone helping me

i wont use specific names as il leave sum1 out but you know who you guyz r!

Fingers crossed for you mate. Hopefully it`ll be a relatively cheap fix.

Looking forward to the next 'quick' question.

[daktari]

Not too bad if it solves the problem. Shame about the tyres and insurance though. they say things come in threes......... Thank god the missus never had triplets.