Oil Filter Wrench

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[Bee]

yep haynes are proper pish..... there ok if you dont know your ear hole from your a*** hole though :)

...List clearly the instances in the manual you consider incorrect....

Ha ha.... fool :) here you go then :) i've even stopped of at Halfords to make you look daft :)

*Routine maintainance + servicing

*chapter 1

*page 5

*Under bonnet view of a 1.3 litre (2nz-fe) engine model.

picture at the top of the page clearly shows a picture of the top of the 2nz-fe...the picture at the bottom of the page clearly shows a picture of the underside of the engine, same again nice little arrows showing you which bit is the engine etc. but the only problem is........ its not the right engine.......... nice one haynes.....

Excellent. You have given the chapter and verse, and with photos too!

The 1st photo stated a 2NZ-FE engine shows its top, and the 2nd photo stated merely "Front underbody view" shows the underside, that of 1SZ-FE (because the exhaust emerges from the front of the engine - for those unsure of what we are talking about). This alleged inconsistency as spotted led to jubilation.

But the point scored can be dismissed at once.

A fruiterer is showing a series of photos of the apples he sells. He includes a photo of a moldy Apple for comparison and he states that this he definitely does not sell. Now someone picks out two photos, one of a good Apple juxtaposed with one of the bad, and accuses him of selling rotten fruits. Is this not a gross misrepresentation?

The Haynes Manual was prepared after a stripdown and rebuild of the 1SZ-FE engine(1)(2). So, the book is essentially an 1SZ-FE manual. It follows that any discussion on the 2NZ-FE or the 2SZ-FE engine is a temporary diversion, for which sensibly the reader is clearly given notice. This protocol applies to both text and photos. In this series of 4 photos, earpl has picked the 2nd and the 3rd for his argument:

(Front) "Underbonnet" 1SZ-FE,

(Front) "Underbonnet" 2NZ-FE,

(Front) "Underbody" 1SZ-FE,

(Rear) "Underbody" 1SZ-FE or 2NZ-FE as they are the same.

This last should be more of 1SZ-FE than 2NZ-FE because, and this is important, the manual is essentially a book on 1SZ-FE. Since the book is all about 1SZ-FE, it is superfluous to put "1SZ-FE" in the legends. This is indeed the case in the manual. Hence the 4 photos are in effect:

"Top front"

"2NZ-FE here for comparison"

"Bottom front"

"Bottom rear"

Now picking "2NZ-FE here for comparison" and "Bottom front", cutting their links with the photos preceding and following, amounts to withholding vital information. This leads to the belief that "Bottom front" refers to 2NZ-FE. But of course the photo being unspecified as of which is that of 1SZ-FE. A casual observer would say the manual has made a mistake. You know better. Is it not the case that to pick these two photos on their own is in fact a grotesque misrepresentation?

Maybe, earpl doesn't know the book. After all, he had to go to Halfords to read the manual. And that was the first time he opened it. Intriguingly he said it was all bull**** and the whole manual was a £20 storybook before he even opened the book!

We are talking about inaccurate information and wrong procedure, not proofreader's errors. Mistakes (there is none as far as I know) in the choice of photos by the editor, capitalization, and punctuation don't count. Was that the only 'mistake' (that is, according to him) earpl could come up with when the wrong *messages* in this "storybook" (his word) should be aplenty?

It appears to me that earpl is grasping a last straw. This turns out to be not a saving straw at all; there is no straw to be had. In truth earpl has opened a whole can of pwnage.

(1) page 2A.1 Engine code

(2) page 2A.6 Engine codes: last paragraph

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Bee

[jaxx]

i completely fail to understand what that post has just achieved!

oh and while im here

[navygm]

...they're making a new manual...the technicians answer the questions with the biggest load of bull**** they can come up with. he goes back to haynes with a full notepad and thats how you end up paying £20 for a storybook :)

Unlikely.

Speaking of Yaris, the Haynes team responsible almost certainly is the *only* group to have a stripdown and rebuild of a Toyota Yaris outside Japan. They almost certainly have access to the publicly unavailable, frequently updated technical manuals. And, being the most successful premier car manual publisher for the non-professional in the world, they most likely have a direct communication channel to the design and technical team in Japan too, and more than likely have their draft at some stage read by the same team for rooting out any inaccuracy. Why would they then put their reputation on the block by entrusting the offerings from a garage technician, no matter what position he is in, in a Toyota dealership some 8000 miles outside the city of Toyota, Aichi, Japan? It's a ***** and Bull story verily! :)

Granted Haynes manuals are not perfect. If you want more comprehensive details and better, cleaner, and more to the point line drawings, Autodata is the preferred choice, but it'll cost you more. A lot more!

http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_AUTOCD1.html

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Bee.

too expensive and who needs all that detail?? except a pro mechanic maybe...

more worth a haynes :)

1) Oil filter wrenches, somewhat uncommon:

http://www.buycentral.co.uk/qsh/oil+filter...17685&mrk=0

2) Oil filter claw wrench

http://www.bizrate.co.uk/carparts1/oid4282...1__nwylf--.html

3) Oil filter spider (probably the same as the claw wrench)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W26262D0D

4) Oil filter pliers (and other interesting tools, such as the suction tube, suction machine, and...hey, even a proper, secure, whole car stand!); an USA site.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V23D2597D

...do you think that those links that you gave me are the same tool as Haynes shows?...

They don't look the same. The one in Haynes' has a triangular 'base' and the 'claws' look different, never mind the handle which appears to be joined to the base in a 'universal' joint, a much neater and more professional looking tool (more expensive presumably; but then you only buy it once) than the oil filter wrench/spider in the links I posted.

I'm also interested in this gizmo (no more oil -- carcinogenic reputedly, and hot as well, of indeterminate temperature -- running down the hand and sleeve!), so my search continues.

The other useful contraption in an oil change is a drain valve/plug:

http://www.blueovalsite.com/index.asp?Page...OD&ProdID=2

http://www.difflock.com/drainplug/index.shtml

http://hometown.aol.com/qckchanger/ (much the same as the drain plug above)

If you do find out where that Haynes' claw tool is from, be a good chap, don't keep it to yourself! :)

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Bee

just found these they look almost the same as haynes...

http://www.usag-tools.com/prodotti/famiglia.htm?id=446

http://www.usag-tools.com/prodotti/famiglia.htm?id=446%20A

http://www.usag-tools.com/prodotti/famiglia.htm?id=446%20C

might be interesting if you like

but couldnt contact the local dealer :S

[earpl]

ha ha ha bee your funny lol :P what do you do for a living?

[Bee]

ha ha ha bee your funny lol :P what do you do for a living?

A comedian.

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Bee.

[earpl]

lmao, yeah i bet a lot of people laugh at you.

[Bee]

lmao, yeah i bet a lot of people laugh at you.

You have been caught red handed: out of the blue, expressing your opinion, chewing up the Manual before opening its pages, and in a second breath, ridiculing and insulting those using the book. I won't ask you to show us more examples of the "mistakes" in the Manual, it would be too embarrassing. Do the decent thing, be a good kid, and save everybody's time: stop posting your opinion now.

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Bee

[earpl]

ha ha, anyone who knows anything knows haynes manuals are s***e lol

lol

[Bee]

ha ha, anyone who knows anything knows haynes manuals are s***e lol

lol

You can't read, you can't write. Did you go to school?

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Bee.

[earpl]

WTF?? LMAO

[jaxx]

no he didnt he comes from the dales

[earpl]

i cant read and i can't write........... but i can drive a tractor!!

(oh and read and reply to what bee has typed lol)

and !Removed! coal muncher!!

[Red Yaris 54]

I think this thread has gone off topic and is getting into personal insults.........................Moderators ??

[jaxx]

I think this thread has gone off topic and is getting into personal insults.........................Moderators ??

:lol2:

[earpl]

but steve, he does eat coal....... in a morning, in a bowl with milk......

[jaxx]

but steve, he does eat coal....... in a morning, in a bowl with milk......

after a 28hour shift a t'pit then a solid graft for another 14 at t'mill, trouble at it ya know!

[Red Yaris 54]

[earpl]

ROB FFS!!!!! THEY CLOSED YOUR PIT YEARS AGO!!! GET WITH THE TIMES!!!!!

if you want to upset him steve, mention Margaret Thatcher and most of mansfield go on a riot, the rest just wait in line for their giro.

[jaxx]

ROB FFS!!!!! THEY CLOSED YOUR PIT YEARS AGO!!! GET WITH THE TIMES!!!!!

if you want to upset him steve, mention Margaret Thatcher and most of mansfield go on a riot, the rest just wait in line for their giro.

WHAT! why did no one tell me..... seemed a bit quiet

thats it im gonna cash up and by myself a 2x4 and smash this place up

[Red Yaris 54]

ROB FFS!!!!! THEY CLOSED YOUR PIT YEARS AGO!!! GET WITH THE TIMES!!!!!

if you want to upset him steve, mention Margaret Thatcher and most of mansfield go on a riot, the rest just wait in line for their giro.

I know that (I used to have a friend who lived in Pleasley (Sp?) but his house started to collapse because of pit subsidence. I think he ended up getting compensation from the N.C.B. (or Margaret Thatchers government ;) )

[earpl]

nah, just prolly built by paddys.

[Red Yaris 54]

nah, just prolly built by paddys.

Who else are you going to upset Chris? ;)

[jaxx]

bout time pleasly fell into the floor as it is

[earpl]

who have i upset?