Oil Filter Wrench

[jaxx]

who have i upset?

me

[earpl]

[alanbradley]

Bee, do you work for Haynes?

Otherwise, lmao!

A

[Bee]

Bee, do you work for Haynes?...

No. I'm not qualified enough to be a trained mechanic-turned-technical writer. I'm not even a mechanic. I have been using Haynes manuals since the mid 60's. There was a rival called Autocar, from the south coast, Brighton or Bournemouth, in the early 70's. (Actually quite good; I had their title on fasteners and car tools) They couldn't stand the heat and soon left the kitchen.

Now, in point of fact, I also have my fair share of woes from reading the Haynes Yaris manual, like everybody else. But they are either accounts of procedure which are too abbreviated, and therefore inadequate, and causing a lot of frustration at times, or the photos are just too blurry to be useful. (Curiously why do all their service and maintenance manuals have more or less the same number of pages? Their accountant has a hand in it?!) I did mention these in my previous post. I have not come across incorrect procedure or wrong information though. By the way it is for service and maintenance, not repair. Any criticism about its less than brilliant diagnostics is missing the target.

There is nothing on the market and of ready availability comparable to the Haynes manual. Furthermore, it is open to public scrutiny and is therefore easy to be trusted. When your garage, Toyota's own included, says that the engine has to come out to change the timing chain and charges you heavily for it, but Haynes says that as long as the engine can be dislodged from its mountings for certain manoeuver, it doesn't need to be lifted out -- and it's this, engine staying in situ, that the manual has given an account of -- which one do you believe?

Haynes with all its many imperfections is still the only handbook on Yaris I frequently dip into. It's also useful serving as a common whiteboard in a communication, as both parties will each be looking at the same paragraph or the same photo in the discussion despite being miles apart.

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Bee

[earpl]

[dawesy]

still say buy the manual from toyota, they show you a lot more than haynes and dont misslead you into thinking the job is easy when it would challenge even the best mech's.

and what is with the spanner grading of jobs?? if you beleive them then your a 'tard

[minidoughty]

.................and what is with the spanner grading of jobs?? if you beleive them then your a 'tard

It's how much of a spanner you have to be to actually follow the instructions

I've got one but rarely look at it, the free automotive japanese translation book is the only useful bit. I mainly use the internet guides for working on the car.

[earpl]

example, you look up taking a water pump off a car.

step 1. remove 4 mounting bolts.

step 2. remove pump.

replacing pump.

step 1. put pump in position.

step 2. replace 4 bolts.

oh and skip from section to section telling you how to remove everything that you need to get to the pump cause when we did that, the engine was sat on a bench.

they are just utter crap. the only thing they are remotely good for is tollerances, and i'd still ring the dealer up to check them.....

[Bee]

example, you look up taking a water pump off a car.

step 1. remove 4 mounting bolts.

step 2. remove pump.

replacing pump.

step 1. put pump in position.

step 2. replace 4 bolts.

oh and skip from section to section telling you how to remove everything that you need to get to the pump cause when we did that, the engine was sat on a bench.

they are just utter crap. the only thing they are remotely good for is tollerances, and i'd still ring the dealer up to check them.....

<sigh> Go to Halfords and read the manual again, earpl!

The instructions start from draining the coolant and jacking up the car to removal, inspection (the how-to, and what and where to look for signs of leakage, impending failure, and signs of bearing failure), and refitting, along with tips and precautions. For example,

(1) Pass a screwdriver shaft between two of the pump pulley bolts (they tend to be tight) to hold it still while the remaining third bolt is loosened (there are two other nuts);

(2) Prepare for a deluge of coolant as the pump is pulled free, after the pulley;

(3) On refitting, delay tightening the pulley bolts and nuts (to the specified torque settings, given) until the auxiliary drivebelt (serpentine belt, accessory belt) has been fitted -- actually this may be over self-indulgence in my view as a typical reader of this section would be reasonably mechanically adapt and would know that!

(4), (5), (6).....etc. There are 8 photos alongside.

The necessary removal (and refitting) of this belt is also described, referring to a previous section, which is equally detailed in account with another 8 photos. It doesn't stop there. On models with hydraulic power steering (not the usual electric power steering, or its predecessor, the simple manual steering system), a separate account is provided, with photos.

The lifting of the engine and putting it on the bench for the change is never part of the procedure. To have ended up in this state (agog!) is to have arrived at a defining moment of sheer incompetence on the part of the spanner monkey.

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Bee.

[earpl]

ha ha ha ha! i wish fishing was this easy lol

[Yaris SR Kid]

Bee sounds like a computer its scary

[earpl]

sounds like he's got nothing better to do :P

[Yaris SR Kid]

lol actually thinking about it he sounds like my chemistry teacher!

Do you wear glasses with tape around them bee?

[jaxx]

If you've ever read a Haynes Manual, you probably, like me, wonder why everything they do can never be done in actual fact, this is because we aren't interpreting the phrases correctly. So, read on and learn what these terms mean to us...

Haynes: Rotate anticlockwise.

Translation: Clamp with molegrips (adjustable wrench) then beat repeatedly with lump hammer anticlockwise. You do know which way is anticlockwise, don't you?

Haynes: Should remove easily.

Translation: Will be corroded into place ... clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with a lump hammer.

Haynes: This is a snug fit.

Translation: You will skin your knuckles! ... Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with lump hammer.

Haynes: This is a tight fit.

Translation: Not a hope in hell matey! ... Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with lump hammer.

Haynes: As described in Chapter 7...

Translation: That'll teach you not to read through before you start, now you are looking at scarey photos of the inside of a gearbox.

Haynes: Pry...

Translation: lump hammer a screwdriver into...

Haynes: Undo...

Translation: Go buy a tin of WD40 (catering size).

Haynes: Ease ...

Translation: Apply superhuman strength to ...

Haynes: Retain tiny spring...

Translation: "***** what was that, it nearly had my eye out"!

Haynes: Press and rotate to remove bulb...

Translation: OK - that's the glass bit off, now fetch some good pliers to dig out the bayonet part and remaining glass shards.

Haynes: Lightly...

Translation: Start off lightly and build up till the veins on your forehead are throbbing then re-check the manual because what you are doing now cannot be considered "lightly".

Haynes: Weekly checks...

Translation: If it isn't broken don't fix it!

Haynes: Routine maintenance...

Translation: If it isn't broken... it's about to be!

Haynes: One spanner rating (simple).

Translation: Your Mum could do this... so how did you manage to botch it up?

Haynes: Two spanner rating.

Translation: Now you may think that you can do this because two is a low, tiny, ikkle number... but you also thought that the wiring diagram was a map of the Tokyo underground (in fact that would have been more use to you).

Haynes: Three spanner rating (intermediate).

Translation: Make sure you won't need your car for a couple of days and that your AA cover includes Home Start.

Haynes: Four spanner rating.

Translation: You are seriously considering this aren't you, you pleb!

Haynes: Five spanner rating (expert).

Translation: OK - but don't expect us to ride it afterwards!!!

Translation #2: Don't ever carry your loved ones in it again and don't mention it to your insurance company.

Haynes: If not, you can fabricate your own special tool like this...

Translation: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Haynes: Compress...

Translation: Squeeze with all your might, jump up and down on, swear at, throw at the garage wall, then search for it in the dark corner of the garage whilst muttering "******" repeatedly under your breath.

Haynes: Inspect...

Translation: Squint at really hard and pretend you know what you are looking at, then declare in a loud knowing voice to your wife "Yep, as I thought, it's going to need a new one"!

Haynes: Carefully...

Translation: You are about to cut yourself!

Haynes: Retaining nut...

Translation: Yes, that's it, that big spherical blob of rust.

Haynes: Get an assistant...

Translation: Prepare to humiliate yourself in front of someone you know.

Haynes: Turning the engine will be easier with the spark plugs removed.

Translation: However, starting the engine afterwards will be much harder. Once that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach has subsided, you can start to feel deeply ashamed as you gingerly refit the spark plugs.

Haynes: Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal.

Translation: But you swear in different places.

Haynes: Prise away plastic locating pegs...

Translation: Snap off...

Haynes: Using a suitable drift or pin-punch...

Translation: The biggest nail in your tool box isn't a suitable drift!

Haynes: Everyday toolkit

Translation: Ensure you have an RAC Card & Mobile Phone

Haynes: Apply moderate heat...

Translation: Placing your mouth near it and huffing isn't moderate heat.

Translation #2: Heat up until glowing red, if it still doesn't come undone use a hacksaw.

Haynes: Apply moderate heat...

Translation: Unless you have a blast furnace, don't bother. Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with lump hammer.

Haynes: Index

Translation: List of all the things in the book bar the thing you want to do!

Haynes: Remove oil filter using an oil filter chain wrench or length of bicycle chain.

Translation: Stick a screwdriver through it and beat handle repeatedly with a lump hammer.

Haynes: Replace old gasket with a new one.

Translation: I know I've got a tube of Krazy Glue around here somewhere.

Haynes: Grease well before refitting.

Translation: Spend an hour searching for your tub of grease before chancing upon a bottle of washing-up liquid (dish soap). Wipe some congealed washing up liquid from the dispenser nozzle and use that since it's got a similar texture and will probably get you to Halfords to buy some Castrol grease.

Haynes: See illustration for details

Translation: None of the illustrations notes will match the pictured exploded, numbered parts. The unit illustrated is from a previous or variant model. The actual location of the unit is never given.

[alanbradley]

ha ha ha ha! i wish fishing was this easy lol

Earpl, you are a master baiter.

A

[dawesy]

rob absolute quality. LMFAO

also have you noticed that the cars they work on in the manual are all about 2 days old where nothing is corroded and nothing has become forever boud together with unbelievable amounts of sticktion!!.

like chris said there only good for capasities and torque settings

[Bee]

ha ha ha ha! i wish fishing was this easy

Earpl, you are a master baiter.

No, his recurring apocryphal verbiage is perfectly consistant.

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Bee

[Bee]

rob absolute quality. LMFAO

also have you noticed that the cars they work on in the manual are all about 2 days old where nothing is corroded and nothing has become forever boud together with unbelievable amounts of sticktion!!.

like chris said there only good for capasities and torque settings

So the instructions given in the manual are wrong then?!

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Bee.

[dawesy]

sorry didnt mean to offend you oh great haynes manual worshiper.

its just that the majority of the population know that they are very misleading.

oh and did you eat a dictionary this morning

[Bee]

sorry didnt mean to offend you oh great haynes manual worshiper.

its just that the majority of the population know that they are very misleading.

oh and did you eat a dictionary this morning

Well, you made three points. All three are problematic. :)

I'm certainly not a Haynes worshipper. What made you think that?

I have no quarrel with "misleading" for that means the manual does not match up with your expectations.

The words I used earlier this morning were certainly uncommon but that is because I believe "If you don't use it, you will lose it". That applies to what I put down in my postings. What I've learned about cars sometimes comes up in the forum. That would be time for me to make an attempt to explain as best I can what I know. This is to help fellow forum members/visitors as well as myself, reinforcing what I have learned. So, don't feel strange that my musings may be somewhat contrived, long-winded, and unusual.

When someone has posted a mistake, in the spirit of open forum discussing I would challenge that statement. And when I am ridiculed/slighted, I'm willing and prepared to defend my position. There should be no transgression of travesty of justice. I withhold that.

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Bee.

[earpl]

i see where you coming from i really do....... but............

[Bee]

...the haynes man goes to a renalut garage...asking questions about the clio...the technicians answer the questions with the biggest load of bull****...how you end up paying £20 for a storybook

... there ok if you dont know your ear hole from your a*** hole...

i cant read and i can't write........... but i can drive a tractor!!...

i see where you coming from i really do....... but............<snip>

Changing the subject in place of discussing an on-going issue of contention is a tacit admission of defeat in one's argument. I'll not respond to skewed issues. I'm still waiting for genuine examples from you of wrong instructions/explanations in support of your claim that the Haynes manual is all of the biggest load of balls (of ball games, that is; of basketball, football,...etc.; I am from the city, hence the expression I use is different.)

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Bee.

[earpl]

congratulations on being from the city :) your a good boy, roll on the ice caps melting

im not defeted :) you can never defeat me cause i simply dont give a damn :P

haynes full of balls no........

[jaxx]

i think that performance one tells you how to fit an Ecotec :lol2:

[minidoughty]

When they make one for the yaris, I'm selling my car