Acceleration

[John16v]

To cut a long story short, I'm wanting more acceleration..

Mines the 2.0 gt and don't get me wronge it's isn't that bad, i was just thinking about more, has anyone from here done anything to there 2.0's or know of any good" ways or doing it? do them electric turbos do anything thats worth the money you pay for them?

any idea's

[irish_kev]

To cut a long story short, I'm wanting more acceleration..

Mines the 2.0 gt and don't get me wronge it's isn't that bad, i was just thinking about more, has anyone from here done anything to there 2.0's or know of any good" ways or doing it? do them electric turbos do anything thats worth the money you pay for them?

any idea's

i get the impression (and i'm no expert) that an aftermarket panel filter and decat exhaust might net you an extra 10-15bhp and that anything more than this requires big money, to the point that its better to switch for a GT4. Don't think any of these electronic gizmos on eBay work but maybe some of the more expensive chips are worth a shot. Electric turbo......think there's been a couple of discussions about those and they're :censor:

[adamgt]

what kev said above is spot on.

I was in exactly the same position as you this time last year. I really didnt want to sell my GT but realised that selling it to buy a gt4 was the best option. any performance mods on a gt will not be physically noticable. GT4's are going at bargain prices at the moment and it would be cheaper just to buy one rather than mod the gt.... and there is a BIG difference in performance between the gt and gt4!

[Cexy_Ratt]

i have thought this over and over, i am now looking fgor the right gen5 gt4. ST128 and 202 is so hard work and exspensive getting more power,

i am looking into an ST205 aswell, they aint that bad in price now , escpecailly st185, they go for peanuts and i bet the fuel and insurance prob aint that much differant

[adamgt]

i have thought this over and over, i am now looking fgor the right gen5 gt4. ST128 and 202 is so hard work and exspensive getting more power,

i am looking into an ST205 aswell, they aint that bad in price now , escpecailly st185, they go for peanuts and i bet the fuel and insurance prob aint that much differant

st205 is the way to go

[edamduke]

Like the majority of 202 owners I am already looking to upgrade to the ST205 however, I am a bit nervous due to the increased cost of parts and complexity of drive train.

So, do the extra diffs cause many problems, ie. worn parts, mountings? What is the advice on the SS suspension as the majority are at that age now, how can you tell if it is on it's way out? And my final big concern... how important is the 3000mile oil change and what are the chances of finding one which has had it done for the last 10 years?

[daktari]

Like the majority of 202 owners I am already looking to upgrade to the ST205 however, I am a bit nervous due to the increased cost of parts and complexity of drive train.

So, do the extra diffs cause many problems, ie. worn parts, mountings? What is the advice on the SS suspension as the majority are at that age now, how can you tell if it is on it's way out? And my final big concern... how important is the 3000mile oil change and what are the chances of finding one which has had it done for the last 10 years?

Extra complexity is always going to cause more problems, but to put it into context and to partly answer the second part of your question. Modern materials and lubricants means that problems although not uncommon are the exception rather than the rule.

Provided you get a car with a documented history you will be safe-ish. Additionally if it does break, it`ll not cost the earth to put right.

[John16v]

I've only had the GT for about 2months, so i shouldn't be buying another so soon lol!

But yes I agree GT4 is the way....one day (next year) ;)

[Cexy_Ratt]

i am in talks about a ST205 WRC at the momment, checked all the usally stuff, the water spray bar is there, the water injection thing is present, and the anti lag parts... itsa white with white componmotives ...

apart from the rally extras what the major differances between the enignes on the 185 and 205

[Jones~32]

185 - ~200 bhp

205 - ~250 bhp

Thats the important differences :D :D

[Cexy_Ratt]

Wahst is involved in getting the anti lag and water injection going , i wouldnt mind the anti lag, but have heard it kinda eats turbos and manifolds up for breaky

185 - ~200 bhp

205 - ~250 bhp

Thats the important differences :D :D

[adamgt]

You wont want anti lag as your turbo will be dead within a month. Unlesss you have the time and money to replace your turbo 12 times a year :P

[Special Red]

There not that bad Adam! Only 10 per year!

[Cexy_Ratt]

is it really that bad?... is it worth getting the Water injection activated

[Jones~32]

The water injection is worth having, but IIRC it is similar costing to fit a WI kit to a normal 205 than it is to enable the WRC WI.... Sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong though

[yellowchinaman]

Like the majority of 202 owners I am already looking to upgrade to the ST205 however, I am a bit nervous due to the increased cost of parts and complexity of drive train.

So, do the extra diffs cause many problems, ie. worn parts, mountings? What is the advice on the SS suspension as the majority are at that age now, how can you tell if it is on it's way out? And my final big concern... how important is the 3000mile oil change and what are the chances of finding one which has had it done for the last 10 years?

Spot on. I'm in the exactly the same situation as you right now.

[chris202]

I want a Gt4 (mibe soop) but to be honest i'm not worried about any of those problems , its a toyota - it will be good - dont buy a dog and it should be a reliable fast car

[adamgt]

The water injection is worth having, but IIRC it is similar costing to fit a WI kit to a normal 205 than it is to enable the WRC WI.... Sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong though

yeah and its not actually water injection on the WRC, its just a water spray bar which is different.

[dymchurchpaseo]

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[adamgt]

its a toyota - it will be good - dont buy a dog and it should be a reliable fast car

At risk of putting my foot in it here, that seems to be a little naive... Toyota may be one of the best for reliability but an ST205 for the most part is still a ten year old performance car with associated problems. True there are many which require little maintenance but its still a step up from the GT in terms of cost and reduced reliability.

I can abuse the GT all i want and it'll come back begging for more, and use it as a (relatively) cheap daily driver. Its cost me absolutely nothing other than routine servicing. An ST205 would have been a different story i'm sure.

If you don't do things yourself you are looking at spending a fair amount of your income just keeping the thing going. A clutch change is normally an engine out job, so think of the associated labour costs. Superstrut parts costs are concerning and its not easy to lay off the loud pedal. Nothing on these cars is ever easy!

What i'm trying to say is that theres a massive difference in performance, but also maintenance and running costs too. As said many times before, 'if you can't afford to run a good one, you can't afford to run a bad one'. Budget accordingly or it'll bite you!

You say that you abuse your GT with no problems which is probably true as i did the same with m GT and never even spent 1p on a maintenance part.. i never even serviced it!.... but a GT4 can also take this just as well.... but im now hammering a 325bhp car rather than a 165bhp car, and no problems at all. So there is not really any reduced reliability, but i agree there are higher running costs. Petrol/parts/3000 mile oil change/clutch make it more expensive.... but well worth it B)

[adamgt]

Seems to be a few people considering doing the GT to GT4 swap at the moment, and as someone who has done this, here are a the things you need to consider (most of you will know all this already):

-Obvious one, the petrol bill will increase

-insurance will go up (although in my case it went down as i turned 21 when i bought my 4)

-Clutch change for a new stock one cost on average £700 all in

-Full oil change required every 3000 miles

-Superstrut parts cost £600 for both sides + fitting costs. check these have already been done b4 you buy ;)

-Generally when parts break they will be more expensive than GT parts, but they are very reliable cars. In the year i have had mine i have had to replace the passengers side superstrut parts and thats it.

The performance difference is huge and when you go to test drive one you will have a big smile on your face :D

Once you have a GT4 they are so tunable (unlike the GT) and you will find yourself wanting/buying lots of goodies. On a good condition ST205 you can see 300bhp with just a filter, exhaust and boost controller.

Dont think the GT4 is an unreliable car, becasue it is strong and reliable even 10+years on.

If you can afford that extra maintenance money for a GT4 then i 100% recommend you buy one!!! you only live once! They are very cheap to buy at the moment, you get a lot of car for your money!

Adam

[Jones~32]

Well said Adam :D

[edamduke]

Cheers buddy, what I thought but I would never guess a clutch would be £700! that is crazy.

[adamgt]

Cheers buddy, what I thought but I would never guess a clutch would be £700! that is crazy.

yep its not good :( its the labour, the clutch itself isnt that expensive.

[Sketchy]

Cheers buddy, what I thought but I would never guess a clutch would be £700! that is crazy.

yep its not good :( its the labour, the clutch itself isnt that expensive.

3s service center in hook will change a clutch for £200 as will most MR Clutch outlets, it can be done without taking the engine out just don't try doing it yourself. uprated stage 1 clutches are around £300. So £500 quid all in.

Stock toyota clutch is around £240 from fensport so £440 all in.

The water injection is worth having, but IIRC it is similar costing to fit a WI kit to a normal 205 than it is to enable the WRC WI.... Sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong though

yeah and its not actually water injection on the WRC, its just a water spray bar which is different.

Adam WRC has both Intercooler Spray Bar and Water Injection, neither are active.

Also not really sure where the 3000 mile oil change comes from. Service record on UK GT4 is Serivce every 9000miles or 12 months with intermediate oil change every 4500 miles or 6 months.

And with good quality fully synthetic oil like silkolene Pro S IMO no reason to reduce from this.

Also as long as you say well clear of main dealers(Many GT4 owners don't even trust them for parts) and go to independant garages such as Toyauto Center labour cost are alot lower than you'd think after all it might have a few extra parts but it's still just a car.

Toyota made the stock car very reliable even to the point of the fueling being on the very safe side of Rich.

Assuming you not cursed I could easily see one being owned from new to 100K miles with nothing more replaced than Fig 8's and lower arms, Clutch, Cambelt and the odd light blub. Apart from normal Service items obviously and the cambelt should be factored into the 60,000 mile service.

To the point that that is all that was ever replaced on my last four until it died at 99,000 miles after picking a fight with a lamp post at the grand old age of 11, and I had the Service records from new to prove it.