New Option Packs!

[adilmon]

Check this out:

http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/T...cle-106685.html

"New option packs for Aygo

27 March 2007

Aygo is already one of the safest cars in its class, but owners can now invest in even greater protection with a new upgrade option pack. For the entry-level Aygo, side and curtain airbags, Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with Traction Control (TRC) and rear head rests are available at a cost to customers of £960 (including VAT).

For Aygo+ and Aygo Black models with side airbags already fitted as standard equipment, the option pack includes curtain airbags and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with Traction Control (TRC). And to help keep things cool when behind the wheel, air conditioning is also included in the pack’s £1,180 price tag (including VAT).

Aygo is already well-equipped in terms of active and passive safety systems, with ABS with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, driver and front passenger airbags, driver’s seatbelt reminder system, childproof rear door locks and front belts with pretensioners fitted as standard to all versions. Aygo+ and Aygo Black further benefit from Isofix rear child seat mounts. "

[sullsims]

The Aygo sport also has the side airbags

[adilmon]

Yes, in the middle of the seat. The curtain airbags come down from the roof

[Plusser]

What I want to know is if they are going to offer a passenger door light switch as an option!

[bradburyss]

Would be nice, does seem to be a strange omission! You can fit one yourself though.

[Lauren]

Does a car with 67bhp really need traction control though?

Ditto stability control.

All seems a bit pointless really.

[PaulWorthing]

I guess if your heavy footed and it is wet/slippery then most cars could do with traction control although I would prefer to spend my pennies on something else for the car and try not to be such a 'boy racer'

[bradburyss]

smarts have them with less bhp. I guess anything that helps control a car in one way or another is a good thing. My last few cars have had traction and stability control and it does help when pulling out from side roads in the wet and stuff. Wouldn't pay extra for it though unless it was reasonably priced.

[Lauren]

I guess if your heavy footed and it is wet/slippery then most cars could do with traction control although I would prefer to spend my pennies on something else for the car and try not to be such a 'boy racer'

Well i guess you could just modulate the pressure of your right foot on the accelerator. Its really not that difficult.

I don't see any need for traction control on my 200bhp BMW 3 series, so can't think why a 67bhp Aygo should need it. Its a real shame because equipping every car with traction control and stability control only serves to dumb down the drivers. Soon even thinking of enthusiastically approaching a corner will result in instant involuntary braking and no doubt a fine for even daring to think about it!

;)

[bradburyss]

Well i guess you could just modulate the pressure of your right foot on the accelerator. Its really not that difficult.

What about when you try to pull out of a side road and hit a slippery patch of tarmac or manhole cover? How are you supposed to modulate your right foot on the accelerator when it happens in a split second? I'm not saying it happens all the time but it's helpful to know the system is there.

Yes cars are becoming so technologically advanced that they can effectively dumb down the drivers but you don't see that many drivers complaining about it do you? Most people just want to drive from A to B with the minimum of fuss. For the others who want more, just buy a car where you can turn the traction control off.

[Lauren]

What about when you try to pull out of a side road and hit a slippery patch of tarmac or manhole cover? How are you supposed to modulate your right foot on the accelerator when it happens in a split second? I'm not saying it happens all the time but it's helpful to know the system is there.

Yes cars are becoming so technologically advanced that they can effectively dumb down the drivers but you don't see that many drivers complaining about it do you? Most people just want to drive from A to B with the minimum of fuss. For the others who want more, just buy a car where you can turn the traction control off.

Well, you just deal with it, if you get wheelspin on a manhole cover it only lasts for a tenth of a second. I don't think it is helpful, nor do i think its necessary. Its pathetic in all honesty on a car with so little power to start with. Maybe people should just learn to drive?

Or do what i'm going to, buy a car that doesn't have daft things like traction control.

[bradburyss]

Well that's all in your opinion Lauren. 1/10th of a second can be all it takes for an accident to happen or not and no matter how good a driver you are people can still make mistakes. I see nothing wrong with a car having more safety features than not.

One question why are you on the forum making negative comments about the Aygo if you don't own one and have no intention of owning one now? You keep on going on about all these other cars you are looking at but so far it's all been talk?!

[Lauren]

Well that's all in your opinion Lauren. 1/10th of a second can be all it takes for an accident to happen or not and no matter how good a driver you are people can still make mistakes. I see nothing wrong with a car having more safety features than not.

One question why are you on the forum making negative comments about the Aygo if you don't own one and have no intention of owning one now? You keep on going on about all these other cars you are looking at but so far it's all been talk?!

Yes, yes, its my opinion. I guess i'm entitled to it.

Secondly, good question.

I must admit i started off with the aygo at the top of my shortlist of cars, now its languishing right at the bottom. Its taking me ages to get my job sorted out, being a social worker means lots and lots of red tape.

[Aygoman]

Airbags - Yay!

Traction and Stability Control? - WTF! pointless, and will ruin all the fun!

[adilmon]

It would be ideal if there was a button to turn TSC & VSC on and off. Personally, i'd like to leave the fun for dry roads & be able to drive confidently in the wet.

I often get wheelspin at junctions because the diesel version has a lot of torque at low revs

Please let us know if any of you find out whether MR T will give us the on/off switch?

[PaulWorthing]

£1,180 - thats an awful lot of money - you could get the TTE kit for that and, as long as your careful on slippery surfaces, you'll have a much better looking little car. . .

. . . it's what I'm going to do!

[kaffe-koko]

I don´t know about the uk but here in sweden Traction and Stability Control is a real good thing. Mostly snow, frost or ice from october to march. Had bmw last winter without traction control. At the first frost i went sideways miles and miles on the motorway in 30km/h in fifth gear. Not very fun. I´ve also driven mercedes e-class quite much. The esp is totally invaluable here if the car is RWD. It´s also quite hard to sell a FWD-car that hasn´t esp nowadays. It´s very expensive though.

[T V O R]

Does a car with 67bhp really need traction control though?

Ditto stability control.

All seems a bit pointless really.

Well, you just deal with it

Hitting an object or losing control at 70mph is going to hurt.

It doesn’t matter what type of car you are in, you are still traveling at 70mph albeit in an Aygo or a super car.

Fact is computers can react quicker than humans. When you realize that you are going sideways at a rapid rate of knots, a car with stability control has already sorted the situation out and kept you on track before you can blink.

People said the same about ABS. Now it’s a legal requirement on all mass produced new cars.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have had regular training in a skid car, IMO ABS Traction Stability Brake Assist and anything to do with safety gets my thumbs up.

Maybe not everyone is as a good a driver as you with lightning quick reflexes.

Fact is, the normal driver (99% of them) don’t know how to react or control a skid, the majority can’t even drive properly. Letting the car do the work makes things a little safer for me when I’m on the road.

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I rest my case...

[peugeot107?]

Check this out:

http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/T...cle-106685.html

"New option packs for Aygo

27 March 2007

Aygo is already one of the safest cars in its class, but owners can now invest in even greater protection with a new upgrade option pack. For the entry-level Aygo, side and curtain airbags, Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with Traction Control (TRC) and rear head rests are available at a cost to customers of £960 (including VAT).

For Aygo+ and Aygo Black models with side airbags already fitted as standard equipment, the option pack includes curtain airbags and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with Traction Control (TRC). And to help keep things cool when behind the wheel, air conditioning is also included in the pack’s £1,180 price tag (including VAT).

Aygo is already well-equipped in terms of active and passive safety systems, with ABS with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, driver and front passenger airbags, driver’s seatbelt reminder system, childproof rear door locks and front belts with pretensioners fitted as standard to all versions. Aygo+ and Aygo Black further benefit from Isofix rear child seat mounts. "

The VSC should be standard, if you going around a bend and there is fresh cow **** on the road you need all the help you can get, pricing seems a bit steep, when you look under the car at the back and see how simple the car is I wonder what the car is really worth? Suppose how much they can get out of us.

[adilmon]

If you look closely at the bottom right of the dash, you can see the icons for VSC and traction control.

Also the easy installation of the rev counter and the lack of curtain airbags as standard, does seem to suggest cost reductions made prior to release.

[Lauren]

Fact is computers can react quicker than humans. When you realize that you are going sideways at a rapid rate of knots, a car with stability control has already sorted the situation out and kept you on track before you can blink.

People said the same about ABS. Now it’s a legal requirement on all mass produced new cars.

I’ve been fortunate enough to have had regular training in a skid car, IMO ABS Traction Stability Brake Assist and anything to do with safety gets my thumbs up.

Maybe not everyone is as a good a driver as you with lightning quick reflexes.

Fact is, the normal driver (99% of them) don’t know how to react or control a skid, the majority can’t even drive properly. Letting the car do the work makes things a little safer for me when I’m on the road.

I guess the trouble i've always had with computers trying to do it for me, is that they tend to have no finesse and end up pitching the car all over the place. I think the trouble is the driving test and thus driving standards in this country are absolutely appalling.

The question is; Is dumbing down drivers with loads of safety aids better than actually teaching people to a higher standard in the first place? I suppose the problem is that the best standard of driving that can be acheived in a holistic sense depends on the standards achieved by the drivers with the lowest natural ability.

I really do wish though that there was some form of compulsory teaching when it came to managing an adverse situation. Drivers just are not trained to deal with it so inevitably they crash.

That the Aygo is offered with this stuff is evidence enough of that.

I have seen those tests before (5th gear wasn't it?), interesting stuff and certainly in that application the benefits are staring you in the face. The thing is though, it rarely snows in the UK enough for the issues Tiff endured to ever arise, so in that respect if you can't pull away from a junction without wheelspin, i can only conclude that the driver must be an idiot as its not a hard thing to do in a car with 67bhp is it?

[T V O R]

I guess the trouble i've always had with computers trying to do it for me, is that they tend to have no finesse and end up pitching the car all over the place. I think the trouble is the driving test and thus driving standards in this country are absolutely appalling.

I agree

The question is; Is dumbing down drivers with loads of safety aids better than actually teaching people to a higher standard in the first place? I suppose the problem is that the best standard of driving that can be acheived in a holistic sense depends on the standards achieved by the drivers with the lowest natural ability.

I agree with that as well

I really do wish though that there was some form of compulsory teaching when it came to managing an adverse situation. Drivers just are not trained to deal with it so inevitably they crash. That the Aygo is offered with this stuff is evidence enough of that.

Sorry to say I agree with you on that as well, now I'm begining to fancy you!

I have seen those tests before (5th gear wasn't it?), interesting stuff and certainly in that application the benefits are staring you in the face. The thing is though, it rarely snows in the UK enough for the issues Tiff endured to ever arise, so in that respect if you can't pull away from a junction without wheelspin, i can only conclude that the driver must be an idiot as its not a hard thing to do in a car with 67bhp is it?

Are you single? :D

[Lauren]

Are you single? :D

LOL!

Fraid not. ;)

[Moffmo]

You dont learn how to drive. You learn how to pass your driving test.

IMO

[T V O R]

You dont learn how to drive. You learn how to pass your driving test.

IMO

I think something is wrong with me.

I agree with you also (but I don’t fancy you) :D

Must be the sunny weather