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Hi - looking to buy a manual - unfortunately my local dealer only has a MMT demonstrator which I have driven but to be honest was too focused on driving the gears than assessing the car.

So does the manul pull the same as the MMT - what other differences are there?


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Hi,

I avoided the MMT because of this issue and I assumed that the regular manual will be easier to repair is anything should go wrong.

Unlike traditional automatic gearboxes, the Aygo has an electrially operated conventional dry plate clutch (instead of a torque converter). This means there is almost no difference in performance, because most of the losses happen in the torque converter. The downside is that you must lift the accellerator slightly to help it change gear. The have been reports of it sometimes being in the wrong gear.

The virtues of the manual are that is has a nice mechanical feel and the total control of choosing your own driving style, without relying on a computer to guess it. Also, most importantly, the clutch pedal is very light to operate (it's like stepping on a pillow), so you're unlikely to get a sore leg in traffic.

But, no matter what I write, I suggest you try both before you finally decide

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Hi - looking to buy a manual - unfortunately my local dealer only has a MMT demonstrator which I have driven but to be honest was too focused on driving the gears than assessing the car.

So does the manul pull the same as the MMT - what other differences are there?

I own an MMT Aygo which has developed a problem and have a manual courtesy car during the period mine is at Toyota being 'investigated'.

From my experience, they are as different as chalk and cheese. The semi-auto is nowhere near as quick, even strangely the top end on the manual version I have is a good 10mph faster.

The semi-auto has a nasty lag of about 1.5 seconds from stationary, so if you are waiting to pull out into a gap in traffic, you have to time it differently than the manual version. The manual has the power there instantly when you want/need it, whilst the auto box takes that annoying time period to engage.

There is also the actual transition between gears, most noted between first and second - this manifests itself with a slight dip/loss in power where you are supposed to raise your foot off the gas slightly to compensate. If you don't, the car forces everyone in the car to be pitched forward, a bit like you've braked during rapid acceleration. I have had a lot of automatic cars and this is the worst example of smooth changing I have ever known. Add to this, the manual version seems a LOT quicker from a standing start, I am not a boy racer, but it is a great deal more responsive.

I deliberately bought the semi-auto as I need it for my job which involves a great deal of town driving and for that it is excellent. Since driving the manual version I appreciate that it is not in any way laborious to drive - BUT it does make me drive a lot heavier on the gas and I use more fuel as a result.

Given the choice though, I would opt for the manual version - also I would go for the 5 door instead of the 3, the seats have no memory when you move them to let people in the back and you have to readjust them every time = triple nuisance.

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