Avensis Clutch

[Al Henderson]

Morning All,

I am new to this forum and registered because I was looking to buy a second hand Avensis (if I can find one!). I went to see a 2004 56K D4D T3S estate earlier in the week and was impressed. However, one thing that did strike me was the clutch - it seemed very heavy. I asked about this and the bloke said his cousin had an Avensis and it was the same (he would say that, wouldn't he?!). I did read on Ised Car Expert that this could be a sign that the clutch is on the way out.

I realise that its all very subjective, but could anyone tell me whether or not the clutch is generally heavy on an Avensis or did this one have a problem?

Thanks,

Al.

[plorga]

Morning All,

I am new to this forum and registered because I was looking to buy a second hand Avensis (if I can find one!). I went to see a 2004 56K D4D T3S estate earlier in the week and was impressed. However, one thing that did strike me was the clutch - it seemed very heavy. I asked about this and the bloke said his cousin had an Avensis and it was the same (he would say that, wouldn't he?!). I did read on Ised Car Expert that this could be a sign that the clutch is on the way out.

I realise that its all very subjective, but could anyone tell me whether or not the clutch is generally heavy on an Avensis or did this one have a problem?

Thanks,

Al.

Hi,

I bought my Avensis on 2nd hand and had the same question.

I also find the clutch a bit heavy on the D4D. I also own a reanult and the Toyota's clutch is heavier, although I've never driven another avensis to compare. May be you should do that.

Untill now I've driven 10.000 miles and the clutch is the same. In Portugal do change the clutch you'll pay about £400.

Hope this helps.

[belfast buyer]

i recently bought a 2006 avensis

i had the dealer check my clutch as i thought it a little heavy, but he said it seemed normal.

think it is probably a trait of the car.

[Al Henderson]

Thanks for the advice, folks. Maybe I'll ring the chap back and see if I can do a deal (if he hasn't already sold it!).

Cheers,

Al.

[compressor mad]

its a problem with dual mass flywheels which causes the heavy clutch pedels the avenis d4d

the fix is a new clutch and flywheel sorry

[05D45]

its a problem with dual mass flywheels which causes the heavy clutch pedels the avenis d4d

the fix is a new clutch and flywheel sorry

Hi Folks,

Would this flywheel problem cause a 'judder' at exactly 1400 rpm in every gear? The car is a 2005 2.0 D4D T3-S Avensis imported from the UK into Ireland. I've asked about this elsewhere on the forum, but am not sure if the flywheel issue is still an issue with 2005 cars.

The Toyota dealers that I've had it looked at here in Ireland have changed wheels, aligned wheels, but don't seem to want to know about the flywheel issue. The car only has 35k on the clock, but now I'm beginning to wonder about that as well...

Thanks,

Dave

[cmia]

its a problem with dual mass flywheels which causes the heavy clutch pedels the avenis d4d

the fix is a new clutch and flywheel sorry

No

All toyota diesels have heavy clutchs compared to the rivals in its class.

[cmia]

its a problem with dual mass flywheels which causes the heavy clutch pedels the avenis d4d

the fix is a new clutch and flywheel sorry

Hi Folks,

Would this flywheel problem cause a 'judder' at exactly 1400 rpm in every gear? The car is a 2005 2.0 D4D T3-S Avensis imported from the UK into Ireland. I've asked about this elsewhere on the forum, but am not sure if the flywheel issue is still an issue with 2005 cars.

The Toyota dealers that I've had it looked at here in Ireland have changed wheels, aligned wheels, but don't seem to want to know about the flywheel issue. The car only has 35k on the clock, but now I'm beginning to wonder about that as well...

Thanks,

Dave

do you hear any odd noises from the engine when its cold ?

or under hard acellration ie in 2nd or 4th gear ?

[05D45]

Thanks for the answer - I'll check for noises on the way home tonight - car will be cold.

Cheers

[05D45]

Hi CMIA,

Tried to take special notice of noises, symtoms etc. to see if you (or anyone else) can help me figure this out. As for the noises, here goes:

On a scale from Audi A4 TDI to Transit van, I think my Avenesis is much closer to the transit van. However, this is my first diesel and therefore I'm probably not experienced enough to know if the engine sounds as it should or not. It has that 'rougher than petrol' noise that I associate with all diesels, but there is also a slight 'tackety - tappety" higher-frequency noise above that again. I'm really not sure if there's much difference between hot and cold - to my ears it does sound a bit smoother when warm.

The best way that I can describe my problem (the most noticable to me) is the following:

If I try to stay steady on 1400 revs (approx. 40 mph in 4th I think) the car seems to 'shudder' slightly. This happens to a greater or lesser extent in the rev range 1400 - 1800, but you can set your watch for it coming in at 1400. If I'm going uphill or around a corner and happen to be at 1400 revs, it's noticably worse. If I sit in neutral and keep the revs steady at 1400, I can feel a vibration in the clutch pedal if I rest my foot on it (nothing from the accelerator). As I push the clutch pedal down (heavy-ish clutch, biting point pretty close to the floor), the vibration gets slightly stronger until clutch completely engaged.

It's not as though it's a chronic shudder (possibly why two seperate dealers in the Dublin area have given the car a clean bill of health), it's more like I'm driving along a slightly rougher road than I am. Although I'm not a mechanic, I am an engineer and have a fair idea about how things hang together and I'm pretty sure in myself that this shudder is coming from somewhere in the drivetrain - letting off the accelerator or accelerating to above 2000 revs renders the vibration almost completely unoticable.

The two Toyota dealer that I've been to have siad that nothing comes up on the diagnostics, so the car is okay. I'm not sure that this kind of thing would appear on any diagnostic equipment, so this is consequently driving me nuts. The Honda dealer that I bought the car from is basically saying "get someone to tell us what is wrong and we'll get it seen to, but to be honest Bud, two Toyota dealers have given it the all-clear, so we're inclined to think it's perfectly okay".

I was trying to get this sorted without incurring any further expense to myself, but at this point if I could get an opinion that I can take to another Toyota dealership so that they had some specifics to check, then I'd be very grateful indeed and hang the expense... We've a baby due in a month and I just want this cleared up and to be sure that the car is safe at least.

Really appreciate the replies & any advice is more than welcome...

Cheers,

Dave

[cmia]

Hi CMIA,

Tried to take special notice of noises, symtoms etc. to see if you (or anyone else) can help me figure this out. As for the noises, here goes:

On a scale from Audi A4 TDI to Transit van, I think my Avenesis is much closer to the transit van. However, this is my first diesel and therefore I'm probably not experienced enough to know if the engine sounds as it should or not. It has that 'rougher than petrol' noise that I associate with all diesels, but there is also a slight 'tackety - tappety" higher-frequency noise above that again. I'm really not sure if there's much difference between hot and cold - to my ears it does sound a bit smoother when warm.

The best way that I can describe my problem (the most noticable to me) is the following:

If I try to stay steady on 1400 revs (approx. 40 mph in 4th I think) the car seems to 'shudder' slightly. This happens to a greater or lesser extent in the rev range 1400 - 1800, but you can set your watch for it coming in at 1400. If I'm going uphill or around a corner and happen to be at 1400 revs, it's noticably worse. If I sit in neutral and keep the revs steady at 1400, I can feel a vibration in the clutch pedal if I rest my foot on it (nothing from the accelerator). As I push the clutch pedal down (heavy-ish clutch, biting point pretty close to the floor), the vibration gets slightly stronger until clutch completely engaged.

It's not as though it's a chronic shudder (possibly why two seperate dealers in the Dublin area have given the car a clean bill of health), it's more like I'm driving along a slightly rougher road than I am. Although I'm not a mechanic, I am an engineer and have a fair idea about how things hang together and I'm pretty sure in myself that this shudder is coming from somewhere in the drivetrain - letting off the accelerator or accelerating to above 2000 revs renders the vibration almost completely unoticable.

The two Toyota dealer that I've been to have siad that nothing comes up on the diagnostics, so the car is okay. I'm not sure that this kind of thing would appear on any diagnostic equipment, so this is consequently driving me nuts. The Honda dealer that I bought the car from is basically saying "get someone to tell us what is wrong and we'll get it seen to, but to be honest Bud, two Toyota dealers have given it the all-clear, so we're inclined to think it's perfectly okay".

I was trying to get this sorted without incurring any further expense to myself, but at this point if I could get an opinion that I can take to another Toyota dealership so that they had some specifics to check, then I'd be very grateful indeed and hang the expense... We've a baby due in a month and I just want this cleared up and to be sure that the car is safe at least.

Really appreciate the replies & any advice is more than welcome...

Cheers,

Dave

what happens fi you rev the car sat in netural .. at 1400 with out touching the clutch pedal?

can you feel the juddering comming from else where ?

or is it only when u touch the cluch pedal ?

look through the service history .. has the clutch ever been changed.. or even better..

take your reg number down to a toyota dealer and ... get a print out fo the service history of the car..

i wonder if the clutch has been replaced before and its clutch slack/drag casuing the problem..

[05D45]

Hi CMIA,

Thanks for the reply - Mrs. is expecting so not keeping as close an eye on this over the past couple of days. Yes, when I rev to 1400 in neutral (not touching the clutch pedal) I can feel a slight judder at that point. It's as though the engine/gearbox is shaking the car body slightly.

It's more noticable when driving (when there's a load I suppose). It's most noticable when going uphill or around a roundabout in the 1400 - 1800 range (it's doing it a bit more around 1600 sometimes now also).

Cheers,

Dave