Reversing Camera (4.3)- Jhrc & Shcm Please Help

[Darkside]

Hi All

Ever since buying my T180 earlier this year it has niggled me other countries get a reversing camera but we do not.

However spending litearally hours (Family not happy!) pouring over the excellent thread a little lower, it seems that a solution may be in sight that is not TOO technical. Being a nervous sort when it comes to taking a screwdriver to my pride & joy, can I ask the experts to clarify a few points of the last thread. (Please excuse me if I am being thick but I have read the topic so many times I've gone word blind). The burning questions:

1. Am I right in thinking this can all be done at the boot end? (ie nothing to do at the dashboard unit as already connected to the plug in the rear door - Toyota just not fitting a camera etc.) if not I think I'll give up now!

2. If (hopefully) the answer to 1 is yes, JHRC's photos show a cable is this to connect the yellow camera plug to the 'S7' on the rear door? if so do you have the Toyota part number please ?

3. Finally, if the above are correct (feels like a Da Vinci Code plot) it appears that generally the cameras on eBay are NTSC but 12V so I assume the yellow plug goes to the Toyota part but to where do you then connect the power cable? someone mentioned reversing lights. If them, are they fairly accessible?

Sorry to set out such a 'noddy guide' request but hopefully you (or someone who has done it) can help

[shcm]

Hello Darkside,

1. Am I right in thinking this can all be done at the boot end? (ie nothing to do at the dashboard unit as already connected to the plug in the rear door - Toyota just not fitting a camera etc.) if not I think I'll give up now!

Yes, I'm 99% certain this is the case. Bear in mind I've not wired up to the camera socket in the door. I want the video input for other things, so I have routed another harness in for that from the head unit. JHRC should be able to confirm the other 1% - i.e. it all routes through to the door OK.

2. If (hopefully) the answer to 1 is yes, JHRC's photos show a cable is this to connect the yellow camera plug to the 'S7' on the rear door? if so do you have the Toyota part number please ?

I don't have the part number for the camera end of the harness. Looks to me like JHRC has made his own plug from standard 0.1 inch pitch pins??

3. Finally, if the above are correct (feels like a Da Vinci Code plot) it appears that generally the cameras on ebay are NTSC but 12V so I assume the yellow plug goes to the Toyota part but to where do you then connect the power cable? someone mentioned reversing lights. If them, are they fairly accessible?

Maybe JHRC can let you know where he pick up his 12V from. You probably want a 12V ignition feed located inside the door (if you are mounting the camera in the door). From what I can see there are at least the following connectors inside the door:

S1 centre stop lamp - 2 pin

S2 Heated rear window - 2 pin

S3 Boot lamp - 2 pin

S4 Noise filter (Heated rear window) - 2 pin

S5 Rear wiper Motor - 3 pin

S6 ( A and B ) License plate lamp

S7 Camera - 6 pin

S8 oscillator for Key Entry - 10 pin

S9 Door Handle - 6 pin

S10 Door Lock - 10 pin

S11 Rear Fog (Centre) - 2 pin

I don't think the reversing lamp feeds will go into the door.

pin3 on S5 looks like it might be a simple 12V ignition feed, maybe try that? (unless somebody can spot something more sensible). Hopefully the wiper motor will not dump a load of electrical noise onto its supply when running, which might (small chance), interfere with the camera.

If you can find a 6V camera even better! If not, maybe see if the 12V camera will actually works down to 6V first - then use the 6V camera supply.

Don't forget you might want a "reversed image" camera.

Sorry to set out such a 'noddy guide' request but hopefully you (or someone who has done it) can help

There's never any "noddy" questions only "noddy" answers!

Best I can do at the moment - I'm quite busy.

Cheers

[Darkside]

Hello Darkside,

1. Am I right in thinking this can all be done at the boot end? (ie nothing to do at the dashboard unit as already connected to the plug in the rear door - Toyota just not fitting a camera etc.) if not I think I'll give up now!

Yes, I'm 99% certain this is the case. Bear in mind I've not wired up to the camera socket in the door. I want the video input for other things, so I have routed another harness in for that from the head unit. JHRC should be able to confirm the other 1% - i.e. it all routes through to the door OK.

2. If (hopefully) the answer to 1 is yes, JHRC's photos show a cable is this to connect the yellow camera plug to the 'S7' on the rear door? if so do you have the Toyota part number please ?

I don't have the part number for the camera end of the harness. Looks to me like JHRC has made his own plug from standard 0.1 inch pitch pins??

3. Finally, if the above are correct (feels like a Da Vinci Code plot) it appears that generally the cameras on ebay are NTSC but 12V so I assume the yellow plug goes to the Toyota part but to where do you then connect the power cable? someone mentioned reversing lights. If them, are they fairly accessible?

Maybe JHRC can let you know where he pick up his 12V from. You probably want a 12V ignition feed located inside the door (if you are mounting the camera in the door). From what I can see there are at least the following connectors inside the door:

S1 centre stop lamp - 2 pin

S2 Heated rear window - 2 pin

S3 Boot lamp - 2 pin

S4 Noise filter (Heated rear window) - 2 pin

S5 Rear wiper Motor - 3 pin

S6 ( A and B ) License plate lamp

S7 Camera - 6 pin

S8 oscillator for Key Entry - 10 pin

S9 Door Handle - 6 pin

S10 Door Lock - 10 pin

S11 Rear Fog (Centre) - 2 pin

I don't think the reversing lamp feeds will go into the door.

pin3 on S5 looks like it might be a simple 12V ignition feed, maybe try that? (unless somebody can spot something more sensible). Hopefully the wiper motor will not dump a load of electrical noise onto its supply when running, which might (small chance), interfere with the camera.

If you can find a 6V camera even better! If not, maybe see if the 12V camera will actually works down to 6V first - then use the 6V camera supply.

Don't forget you might want a "reversed image" camera.

Sorry to set out such a 'noddy guide' request but hopefully you (or someone who has done it) can help

There's never any "noddy" questions only "noddy" answers!

Best I can do at the moment - I'm quite busy.

Cheers

Thank you so much for your kind (and quick) response.

Hopefully someone who has fitted a camera can confirm if they have made a cable (clever stuff-no idea how or where parts obtained) and that it does work with details of the power supply.

I am now excited that it looks possible with a bit of help from this excellent forum!

[Darkside]

I suppose this plea for help goes out to Mr Clark (JHRC) or anyone who has successfully fitted a camera that works when you select reverse (rather than by switch) and is that by, presumably connecting power to the reversing lights?

I want to carry this out but do not want to hack off the Toyota connector that I assume will be there when I take off the rear door panel.

Dealer can't help with a "male" connector and it appears that JHRC's picture shows a cable that has been made up. Are the constituent parts easily available? as I have to admit I would not know what I was asking for.

Any reply would be greatly appreciated.

[shcm]

Looking at the pictures, I think JHRC has made the connector by cutting down (they're easy to cut) these pcb pin headers or one of the many variants you can get.

Soldered to the pins I guess, with some "rubbery" stuff around them for protection.

click - farnell

similar from maplin:

Click - Maplin

As a quick suggestion, the reversing lamp feed looks to come off pin 6 (lower far right pin, with connector clip at top) of the rear lamp cluster connector. However, check this by:

1. Disconnecting the connector

2. Put a Voltmeter (make sure it's set to measure volts not amps!) between this pin and chassis

3. Turn on ignition

4. Meter should read approx 0V

5. Select reverse - meter should read 12V-ish.

The nice thing about the reversing lamp feed is the camera gets turned on and off with reverse. The down side is possibly routing the power feed to the camera from the light cluster - unless you can find the feed earlier on down the harness.

hope that goes some way to helping

[Darkside]

Looking at the pictures, I think JHRC has made the connector by cutting down (they're easy to cut) these pcb pin headers or one of the many variants you can get.

Soldered to the pins I guess, with some "rubbery" stuff around them for protection.

click - farnell

similar from maplin:

Click - Maplin

As a quick suggestion, the reversing lamp feed looks to come off pin 6 (lower far right pin, with connector clip at top) of the rear lamp cluster connector. However, check this by:

1. Disconnecting the connector

2. Put a Voltmeter (make sure it's set to measure volts not amps!) between this pin and chassis

3. Turn on ignition

4. Meter should read approx 0V

5. Select reverse - meter should read 12V-ish.

The nice thing about the reversing lamp feed is the camera gets turned on and off with reverse. The down side is possibly routing the power feed to the camera from the light cluster - unless you can find the feed earlier on down the harness.

hope that goes some way to helping

[Darkside]

Can't get used to this posting thing, two attempts seems my norm!!

Shcm-what a star, thank you so much for your help. I've ordered the camera so that will force me to do it now !!

Carl

[sywy]

Anyone got pictures of the camera on the back? Where are you positioning it? I presume it involved drilling?

[JHRC]

Anyone got pictures of the camera on the back? Where are you positioning it? I presume it involved drilling?

Hi all, I apologise for my delay for not giving quicker feedback, but I was only home for 2 days and away for 5 days training course, so I will try to answer some of you questions.

As shcm correctly stated I did cut some circuit board that you can buy from maplins, the pin I got from a burntout interface unit from my work, but I am sure you can buy them from maplin, the video cable came from accessories that come with your home DVD player, solder the pins onto circuit board cut one of the plugs of the video cable and bare back the cable, solder to the circuit board. I then used rubber sleeves to insulate the plug.

I used 6 pins but you only need 4, I havn't mentioned what position you solder the wire to, as shcm already covered this.

Connect the plug to S7 socket secure video cable and feed it down to the wiring that comes into rear door, right hand corner, push video plug through flexible rubber into where right hand light cluster is, this has an access cover for changing bulbs.

My 12v supply come presently from the rear accessories socket, but will try to take this from reversing lights, earth is bolted to body.

Now the camera I bought various ones CMOS and CCD sensors, PAL or NTSC from eBay, but ended up using a NTSC camera with a Sharp 1/3 CCD image sensor from eBay (Backupeyes from Baldwin Education) this a UK company with very fast delivery, Prices approx. £40,

Rear view CCD camera, night vision reversing camera, (#330182485033)

This was fitted below the bumper on right hand side of number plate, 2 X 4mm hole were drilled into bumper to secure camera bracket and the camera cable was fed behind bumper to the right and tied to existing cables. On the right hand corner below bumper there is a vent flap which you feed the cable into and come in near light cluster, this is where to connect the video and power cable.

This is for XT5, the t180 could use a different camera and fit into the rear door where it was designed for near your number plate.

On Thursday I was behind a Lexus RX300 and it had a very small and discreat rear veiw camera fitted at the number plate, which would probably be ideal for T180.

If anyone requires any more help I can make some more plugs and send to them without a cable.

Jim.

[chatman]

This is for XT5, the t180 could use a different camera and fit into the rear door where it was designed for near your number plate.

On Thursday I was behind a Lexus RX300 and it had a very small and discreat rear veiw camera fitted at the number plate, which would probably be ideal for T180.

If anyone requires any more help I can make some more plugs and send to them without a cable.

Jim.

Jim...

Been following this thread..May not totally understand all the inner workings but the end result is shear brilliance.... :toast: :toast:

Well done.....

[Fujisan]

It is a very impressive piece of work.

Well done and a great thread

[Darkside]

JHRC, thanks for the posting.

For T180 owners, I bought the following camera:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Number-Plate-N-Visio...oQQcmdZViewItem

Arrived this morning, tested using rear socket and pushing in wires to the S7 using shcm's info - worked!!!

Even though waiting for pin headers etc (thanks again shcm for the info) went on to fit the camera just above the number plate. I'll take a picture and try to post if any T180ers are interested, but you need to unbolt the number plate light housing (that's the bit of the rear door with the Toyota Badge on it) from inside the back door. With a bit of persuasion with a stanley knife you can upen up the rubber grommet enough to squeeze through the power & video leads into the back door with the number plate light wires, which incidentally plug in next to the camera connector.

Just got to run the power through and connect in to reversing light circuit and wire up the 'plug' end when these pin headers turn up - hopefully all will work as planned :)

Though not the day job extemely satisfying to achieve thus far!! thanks to invaluable help from the above named

[shcm]

Jim - some good install pictures you have there and good to see it's working OK. All I would be able to show you of my experiments is a bunch of cables in the below floor storage area - one with a phono plug on.

Should have know a piece of veroboard would have been used in it somewhere.

Just wondering whether eventually, all this (and possibly some of the info in the other thread) should be "Anchorman-ised" i.e. we turn it into a 4.3 maintenance/install item and tag it. What does everybody think?

I'm not knocking your connector solution Jim - it's great , just wondering if we can source something a bit easier for people. When I get the chance, I'll check with the mechy boys at work. We usually leave most of the connector work to them - so they usually have all the right supplier contacts (the connector is mostly mechanical and there is not much elec wise there for them to screw up ).

Having said that, these connectors are usually crimp pins in plastic shells, and while you can do a reasonable job with pliers or general purpose crimper, there is nothing like having the correct size/pressure crimp tool and they can be very expensive.

Darkside - Glad the camera worked for you. Always slightly nervous giving out info in case I screw up slightly and people get narked.

Cheers

[JHRC]

Thank all, but I could not have completed this without shcm expertise.

I did try pin crimps but had to file them down to fit the S7 socket,which made them very weak and easy broken.

One did break in the socket which put me in a cold sweat, but manage to get it out.

My next project is to make door mirrors fold in automatically when the door is closed and out again when Ignition is switched on.

Thanks again

Jim

[anchorman]

Jim

Can you copy and paste it into a new thread so that we can ask a moderator to pin into the maintenance tips?

Moderating team, can you oblige?

Thanks in advance.

[Darkside]

Jim

Can you copy and paste it into a new thread so that we can ask a moderator to pin into the maintenance tips?

Moderating team, can you oblige?

Thanks in advance.

Hi

Finished off fitting the camera yesterday and taken a few pictures. No point duplicating JHRCs but some are specific to fitting to T180 not XT5 and also wired in to reversing circuit (which managed to do without removal of side panel :D - all through rear light access panel in boot area).

Before anybody makes up a maintenance thread, I'll look up how to post pictures etc tonight

Cheers

[anchorman]

We should be able to get them attached to Jims very informative thread as an edit. Please go ahead and post.

Cheers

[Darkside]

Here goes then, to any T180 owners mad as hell (like me) that Toyota did not fit a camera from the off.

I've not repeated all as you can see which camera I bought in the topic I kicked off above. The posts by Schm & JHRC show the connections to the camera connector.

Below is where I positioned the camera on the back door:

and close up:

In order to fit where shown you have to remove that trim/numberplate light housing from the rear door. This is done by removing the three nuts on the inside of the rear dood panel. This picture shows two of the the said blighters:

Then you need to drill and fix the camera:

Run the power and video through the back door (existing grommet for number plate light cable) - stanley knife and patience! you can see the access point in the bolt picture above.

Then connect up the camera wire (see JHRC) I ran the power cable along the existing harness through the rear door and through the flexible connector (JHRC again)

Once through into the access panel earth the cable as shown below. The power needs to be tapped in to the reverse light. In the harness in front of you are a number of wires. There are two red wires-one is the reverse light circuit, one permanent live. Use a tester (and a helper to put the car in & out of reverse) to locate the correct one. Connect in with a scotchlok, after I took the picture below I ran the cable into the harness to finish off the job

and that is it, T180 as it should have been from day one!!

Hopefully this can be added to the maintenance thread?

[sywy]

Thanks for the photos JHRC and Darkside. Much prefer the T180 camera position.

Is it too high though? Would love to do this, but am afraid I'd bodge it up!!

[anchorman]

Darkside

Superb installation and pictures. I know you have gone to a lot of trouble so far but Jims thread has already been posted. Giddlepin has told me that it is easier for him if you re-post a new thread and copy and paste your article into it. It needs to have the same title as Jims and then a sub heading of "Alternative camera location for T180/models without rear door mounted spare wheel". You never know Toyota might start dropping the wheel on all models or introducing the full colour sat nav so it futureproofs the article.

Regards

[JHRC]

Hi Carl,

Superb photos and tutorial and better explained than mine. a good choice in camera, I had fitted the same camera then changed it to a CCD version although my bracket is to long, I intend altering it in the future.

I apologise for posting my maintenance thread to early, as your work should have equal if not greater recognition. :thumbsup:

Jim.

[Darkside]

Morning all,

sywy - Simon, go for it! with patience it is not all that bad and the feeling of satisfaction when it works for a little over £20 is fantastic

As for position, the camera itself is angled so it points down- works well -plus get your Toyota handbook out that came with the car. The swines even tell you about the "reversing monitor" that is not fitted :ffs: sorry, I digress, the point is the "real" camera, according to the diagram, is set to the left in the trim panel on the rear door level with the Toyota logo ie higher than mine. It goes on to tell you about keeping it clean. In my humble opinion I think where I have positioned is better as it is under the panel out of the rain so to speak! maybe I should sell the idea back to them

JHRC - Jim, thank you for those kind words thought it was only fair to circulate the additional info as I would not have started this if I did not have your and schm's postings to hand!

Anchorman, I'll try to repost now!

[anchorman]

Jim

Nothing wrong with your post mate, we understand it!!

Darkside

I have asked the moderator to add your new post. I have to re-post the Ipod interface for the same reason.

Cheers

[shcm]

Hello Chaps,

Both JHRC and Darksides 4.3 install threads and pictures are great. Just one point. Do you think we should add the S7 connector pinout information? I may be mistaken, but I don't see it in either. It is buried in the forum somewhere, but it might make a better set of install note if it's all in one place. If I was coming from this fresh, I think I would appreciate it. Forgive me if it is there and I just can't see the wood for trees.

If you like I can cut/paste both threads together and add the connector pin info. What do you think?

Cheers

[JHRC]

Hello Chaps,

Both JHRC and Darksides 4.3 install threads and pictures are great. Just one point. Do you think we should add the S7 connector pinout information? I may be mistaken, but I don't see it in either. It is buried in the forum somewhere, but it might make a better set of install note if it's all in one place. If I was coming from this fresh, I think I would appreciate it. Forgive me if it is there and I just can't see the wood for trees.

If you like I can cut/paste both threads together and add the connector pin info. What do you think?

Cheers

Hi shcm,

You are correct, we both missed give previous information on S7 connector that you supplied us all with at the start of this thread and all the way through to the end, and the S7 connector should be added to the maintenance tips.

I would like you to add this, as you should have recognition for you part from the start to completion of this thread.

Jim.