T180 Peformance Figures

[Sussex_Paul]

Don't be under any mis-apprehensions, the T180 is a nippy motor, whatever application it's in!!

The Rav T180, isn't the world's fastest from 0-60, but the in-gear accelleration (as you said above) is where it's at.

I've had a few chuckles on A road's that go from single to dual carriageway, and there's usually someone in a rep mobile who's been glued to my back-side on the single carriageway and puts his indicators on a good few hundred yards before the start of the dual carriageway to inform me that he intends passing, then drop to 4th and floor it at the start of the dual carriageway and...................goodbye rep-mobile!!!!

Perhaps Mr T needs to make the T180 Badge a bit bigger for those travelling behind to see!! :P

[anchorman]

Don't be under any mis-apprehensions, the T180 is a nippy motor, whatever application it's in!!

The Rav T180, isn't the world's fastest from 0-60, but the in-gear accelleration (as you said above) is where it's at.

I've had a few chuckles on A road's that go from single to dual carriageway, and there's usually someone in a rep mobile who's been glued to my back-side on the single carriageway and puts his indicators on a good few hundred yards before the start of the dual carriageway to inform me that he intends passing, then drop to 4th and floor it at the start of the dual carriageway and...................goodbye rep-mobile!!!!

Perhaps Mr T needs to make the T180 badge a bit bigger for those travelling behind to see!! :P

Na. Thats the beauty. Leave them guessing. Even smaller T180 Badge would be better!

[duncerduncs]

Don't be under any mis-apprehensions, the T180 is a nippy motor, whatever application it's in!!

The Rav T180, isn't the world's fastest from 0-60, but the in-gear accelleration (as you said above) is where it's at.

I've had a few chuckles on A road's that go from single to dual carriageway, and there's usually someone in a rep mobile who's been glued to my back-side on the single carriageway and puts his indicators on a good few hundred yards before the start of the dual carriageway to inform me that he intends passing, then drop to 4th and floor it at the start of the dual carriageway and...................goodbye rep-mobile!!!!

Perhaps Mr T needs to make the T180 badge a bit bigger for those travelling behind to see!! :P

Na. Thats the beauty. Leave them guessing. Even smaller T180 Badge would be better!

After seeing a BMW 330d driver trying to keep up with me yesterday on the A33, I'd say no T180 Badge at all

[Jock Fran]

BMW badges are pretty hard to read unless you're very close. Was probably a 325d. What exhaust arrangement did it have?

The Auris T180 is not bad but it aint that quick. I wasn't impressed when I drove one. It's not as quick as my T Sport if both are driven properly. If I only ever used high gears then yeah it would be a fair bit quicker but if you use the gearbox properly it's not.

The only time it's comparitively quick is when you're at low revs and floor it.

Engine torque is pretty much a useless number and doesn't tell you anything because it has to overcome gearing before getting to the road. So only if you have the same gearing can you compare torque figures.

And what does "midrange" performance mean anyway? And "in-gear"? It's not like you go anywhere if you're not in gear. All this stuff is just people trying to make themselves feel better for having a diesel IMO!

[Sussex_Paul]

Engine torque is pretty much a useless number and doesn't tell you anything because it has to overcome gearing before getting to the road. So only if you have the same gearing can you compare torque figures.

And what does "midrange" performance mean anyway? And "in-gear"? It's not like you go anywhere if you're not in gear. All this stuff is just people trying to make themselves feel better for having a diesel IMO!

Rather sweeping statement there Jock

These are measurements of whats called "real world performance".

And thats where 295 lb/ft of torque and a turbochager will make whats called "a real difference".

It will also prevent whats called "having to stir the box" all of the time, ie when you want to, whats called "overtake".

Cars with generally higher torque figures, don't need to have such close ratio gears to achieve the same or better perfomance, but if the Auris T180 DID have the same box as your Corolla, you'd be hard pushed to see which way it went.

Now I'm not decrying the performance of the T Sport Corolla (189bhp and 133 lb/ft torque), but I'd not be too smug about your clear cut power advantage over anything with a T180 engine in it, except of course for playing 0-60mph traffic light drag races against a big old heavy Rav4 SUV at the traffic lights - if that floats your boat. (133lb/ft of torque against 295 lb/ft would not see you making too much headway when you floored it at say 70 mph in top gear, which is where torque comes into play)

And as for "making myself feel better about having a diesel", well I'm perfectly happy thank you very much with my T180 - as the family car - I have something altogether different, more powerful and enjoyable as a second car, and I doubt you'd see which way it went, whether you used all your gears or not. :P

[duncerduncs]

BMW badges are pretty hard to read unless you're very close. Was probably a 325d. What exhaust arrangement did it have?

The fact that I overtook it, gave me a good chance to look at the Badge! B)

[Jock Fran]

Believe me I know all about torque and power.

How does leaving it in a high gear make it real world performance? I don't know about you but if I need performance, like to overtake, I'll use the gear to get the most acceleration. Just because the engine is producing good torque at cruising revs I won't leave it there. If you're gonna change gear, what difference does it make going from 5th to 2nd (my car) than I don't know 5th to 3rd (T180). The gear that you cruise in at a particular speed will virtually never be the gear that will give you the best acceleration.

It's interesting you say that if a T180 had my gearbox I wouldn't see which way it went. Yes, the torque multiplication would be massive. But it would get to 20mph in 1st gear, then all the way to 30 in 2nd, 45ish in 3rd, maybe 55 in 4th. So it would be pretty useless, and because it wouldn't have any more power, as long as you could change gear quickly, the performance wouldn't actually change until you reached your top speed of about 80mph in 6th. So they have to use higher gears, which negates all (or some of) the extra engine torque.

I'm not interested in 30-50 in 4th or 50-70 in top. I'm interested in 30-50, 50-70 full stop.

[Jock Fran]

BMW badges are pretty hard to read unless you're very close. Was probably a 325d. What exhaust arrangement did it have?

The fact that I overtook it, gave me a good chance to look at the Badge! B)

I meant more the original poster and the 335d.

[anchorman]

All I can say is although I acknowledge the T180 is astounding and the Auris with the same engine must be somewhat better, I believe very strongly that the BMW would embarrass us IF they were driven like for like by a professional driver.

Out on the road its down to courage and who backs down first.

[Fujisan]

what difference does it make going from 5th to 2nd (my car)

Jesus, you must have it bouncing off the rev limiter dropping down from 5th to 2nd!

I think the point people are trying to make about torque and in gear performance is that everytime you change gear (down and then working your way back up the box) you lose a second or so of drive!

That is why racing cars have super fast sequenial gearboxes to minimise that lost time.

Different cars have different driving styles. I'm sure we've all had cars were you've had to rev the nut's off them to make them shift. Diesel engines need a different driving technique.

It's horses for courses. And I'm sure each of us enjoy's our own cars in their own way.

[sywy]

Jesus, you must have it bouncing off the rev limiter dropping down from 5th to 2nd!

I used to have a Mazda RX8. It would do 60mph in 2nd gear, and 95 in 3rd, revving up to the 9.5k limit which was encouraged, as there is a port that opens around 7k, and if you don't use it, it was prone to sticking!! Don't think the T-Sports revs as high, but will do something similar.

[OldSkoO1]

Jock i used to drive the compressor and then before that a T-Sport facelift.

I preferred the T-Sport but ultimately i'm enjoying my T180 much more than either of them. I drive nearly an hour there and an hour back from work everyday and i know my T180 has more usable performance and its effortless performance at that.

THis is why i bought it, i miss the powercam of the T-Sport and i kind of miss the whine of the supercharger but they drank so much fuel and neither could get the power down quite as well as the T180 can in the wet. T180 is superb in the wet, very very comfortable to drive, very quiet drive too esp. if you ever take it on Motorway. Compressor was really something then.

I started to realise whilst the T-Sport variants are fun and i miss the high end screaming at max power it just wasn't for me anymore. I wanted something more relaxing but with the same performance. The CTS wasn't really an ultimate quick car; it was noisy, quite hard riding, handling wasn't that good and drank a lot of fuel without being really that quick.

Yes i agree the CTS when driven properly is similar in performance but its a lot harder day to day and makes you feel like your a racer. T180 is effortless, power from nothing, the torque makes it moderately thrilling and its just enjoyable to drive.

I couldn't ever have a normal auris though, i was in a 1.6 the other day and it just has ZERO power. Our other car is a RAV XTR and that is also a diesel :)

[Jock Fran]

That's definately one thing the T180 has over the T Sport - motorways get a bit noisy at 3.5k-4k revs :(.

But then I don't spend a huge amount of time on the motorway, a lot of it is slowish traffic where I find the noise of a diesel far too intrusive.

Horses for courses like we say!

Oh and no bouncing off the limiter for 5th-2nd gearchanges Fujisan. If I'm following a slowbie on a NSL road doing 40ish I'll plod along in 5th until there's an overtaking chance. Then into 2nd which takes it up to 60mph. :)

I'd like to see some proper performance figures for the T180s. The CTS does 30-70 in 6.9s (Top Gear test vs Civic Type R) but the only 30-70 time I've seen for a T180 is about 9.4s or something. I'm pretty sure it's quicker than that. After driving one I can't see it being quicker than 6.9 though.

[Fujisan]

Oh and no bouncing off the limiter for 5th-2nd gearchanges Fujisan. If I'm following a slowbie on a NSL road doing 40ish I'll plod along in 5th until there's an overtaking chance. Then into 2nd which takes it up to 60mph. :)

Good I had vision's of you bombing along A-roads at 70 and then dropping down for every HGV in your path