Rav T180 Run Flat Tyres

[bothwell_buyer]

Good point Bothy , just occured to me after watching Top gear on Sunday and reading your post, when Mr Benz (or whoever you believe ) invented the first car ,where did they get the tyres from. Must have been a bit slack being a Kwick Fit (other tyre suppliers are available) fitter waiting for the car to be invented. Richie.

Thanks but I can add a wee point. Up here wur quick fitters wereny so quick as it took a wee while longer tae fit the new steel band onto the wooden wheel. Unfortunately like many trades, this practice is disappearing and one has to use steel or alloy wheels. Think of the weight benefit is someone could invent strong balsa!

[anchorman]

Bothy

Did you know that trains have tyres and that balsa is a hardwood?

Something to win friends and influence people!!!

[bothwell_buyer]

Bothy

Did you know that trains have tyres and that balsa is a hardwood?

Something to win friends and influence people!!!

Whitever trains ye send up tae scotland have steel rims. I ken the trains in some pairts of Southern UK have rubber tyres.

Up here balsa is a softwood so ahm visiting ma local DIY tae sort him oot! An A've written tae Railtrack or whoever owns them noo tae complain aboot the noise o the trains whit run 100 yards frae ma hoose. Rubber tyres wid solve the problem. Dis Jimmy Branson ken that his trains are meant tae have tyres??

[anchorman]

Jimmy Branson! He thinks the driver of the Pendolino that came off the rails at Greyrigg tried to steer the thing to safety!!! (must have forgot those rail thingy's). In fact the driver was thrown up into the inside of the windscreen which broke his neck so after he had been thrown around for a while he laid motionless until he was recovered by the emergency services. In fact the driver was put into a very difficult position by that statement because the media wanted his story but he didn't want to humiliate his boss Jimmy who is better at music than trains.

Duncs will tell you - hit "emegency", hold on as tight as possible and hope that nothing comes through the front of the cab like that poor so and so at Great Heck where the LR derailed a high speed passenger train into the path of a loaded freight train. Both drivers are no more.

[duncerduncs]

Duncs will tell you - hit "emegency", hold on as tight as possible and hope that nothing comes through the front of the cab like that poor so and so at Great Heck where the LR derailed a high speed passenger train into the path of a loaded freight train. Both drivers are no more.

Anchorman,

I have a little advantage, I can run into the engine room... (hopefully something I'll never need to do)

Just out of interest, how did we get from run flats to train crashes?

[bothwell_buyer]

Jimmy Branson! He thinks the driver of the Pendolino that came off the rails at Greyrigg tried to steer the thing to safety!!! (must have forgot those rail thingy's). In fact the driver was thrown up into the inside of the windscreen which broke his neck so after he had been thrown around for a while he laid motionless until he was recovered by the emergency services. In fact the driver was put into a very difficult position by that statement because the media wanted his story but he didn't want to humiliate his boss Jimmy who is better at music than trains.

Duncs will tell you - hit "emegency", hold on as tight as possible and hope that nothing comes through the front of the cab like that poor so and so at Great Heck where the LR derailed a high speed passenger train into the path of a loaded freight train. Both drivers are no more.

Ah have it wi great orthority, frae ma pal whit worked wi BR for 47 years that trains dinna have run flats - and his faither afore him wis a real engine driver whit worked oan coal and didnae leave a footprint o ony sort!

See ye cannae believe all that the papers say - puir soul that the man broke his neck...no a lot of folk ken that. Ah didnae furget the rail thingys - mind they werny there cos some ******s had furgit tae nail em tae the sleepers. Dinny git sae mony train crashes up here cos maist o them get cancelled or brake doon. Tragedy aboot the folk on the east coast wi the LR. :( :(

An ah see a new advert fur run flat tyres frae Goodyear - will they dae the RAV owners whit dinna want a spare??

I'm going tae carry twa spare cos ma tyres are directional an aw.

[anchorman]

Just out of interest, how did we get from run flats to train crashes?

Well, err, bothy started it.

[bothwell_buyer]

Just out of interest, how did we get from run flats to train crashes?

Well, err, bothy started it.

Wisnae me. Ah ken nothing aboot trains an dinna believe in run flats but jist added ma opinions as ye have tae challenge the 'norm' itherwise folk jist accept it....

Ony wan want tae buy ma Triang train set frae the 1960's ??? (Joke honest Mr Mud-orator)

[bothwell_buyer]

Did i say that the charity I spend time with re-uses old tyres as fitness equipment - tyres get recyclyed through an expensive process which basically grinds them up into the constituent pairts. We use the tyres tae help people gain leg strength; improve stomach muscle; and increase stamina. if any of you would like a copy of the diagrams that were produced by our physio, then let me ken (know).

[bomber06]

I have had my T180 just over a month now and really enjoying it.

The only worry I have is this issue with the run flats. When researching the car before buying it second hand from a Honda dealership (it had been traded in for new CRV, can you believe it!), I spoke to my nearest Toyota dealership and they quoted £140 for a new tyre, but they failed to mention that this would not include the metal ring or the 1.5 hrs labour charge.

I have pretty much broke the bank to get my T180 and the thought of paying £250+ for a new tyre doesnt sit nicely. Maybe this is why in the case of the previous owner of my car he opted for a the "Child Refuse Vehicle".

Having read the previous threads on TOC it does not instil me with confidence. I am planning touring France in the Summer in the new RAV and the thought of having a puncture in a foreign country is really putting the :censor: up me.

I was wondering if the situation had improved, or if was still the case that all fellow T180 owners still have to visit Mr T for all tyre issues. I understand that there are Bridgestone certified run flat tyre centres, are these centres able to accomodate us T180'ers.

Apologies that I am going over old ground here, I just hate to think that in 20-30K miles time (if I am lucky) i might have to fork out £1000 plus for a set of tyres. I am new to Toyota ownership and I cannot believe Mr T with its great reliability and customer service reputation has allowed this situation to continue.

Cheers

Bomber

[Parts-King]

The amount of dealers with the equipment has improved greatly, but sadly the prices are not going to go down IMHO unless somebody slashes the tyre (haha) prices and makes it easier to fit

Kingo

[chatman]

I have had my T180 just over a month now and really enjoying it.

The only worry I have is this issue with the run flats. When researching the car before buying it second hand from a Honda dealership (it had been traded in for new CRV, can you believe it!), I spoke to my nearest Toyota dealership and they quoted £140 for a new tyre, but they failed to mention that this would not include the metal ring or the 1.5 hrs labour charge.

Glad your enjoying the RAV and that news above will make the rest on here laugh out loud :lol:

Welcome to the club bomber06 :thumbsup: Personally the best RAV and Toyota orientated place on the tinternet.....

The Run Flats are a slight !Removed! in the armour of the otherwise fantastic T180.....Someone on here has been looking at changing the wheels away from the runflats...but not made the move yet...

I personally hate them..the wife's 206cc has just a tyre repair sealant can..pretty useless miles from anywhere and knackers the inside of the tyre as no garage is prepared to get the gunk out....Last tyre the RAC knackered up sealing the hole, so had to get new tyre anyway....

You've probably started this old thread up again and will bounce around for a while....Over at RAV4WORL they love the sahpe of the rear of the RAV with no spare but bulk at the idea of runflats...and no get home quick solution...

[shcm]

Having read the previous threads on TOC it does not instil me with confidence. I am planning touring France in the Summer in the new RAV and the thought of having a puncture in a foreign country is really putting the :censor: up me.

I can understand your concern, but on the other hand it is only France and not say the Australian outback. Still, not nice, especially if you don't "Parlez Français".

However, remember Club Toyota covers you in EU and I believe the run flat system is also used on the French version of the T180, so the dealers should be familiar with it. There's a map to select French dealers here:

http://www.toyota.fr/dealerfinder/index.aspx

That's probably in the UK handbook as well, but I can't be bothered to go and look. :D

Even so, it's not going to be fun if you were unfortunate to get a puncture and have to wait days for a replacement/fix.

The glib answer would be get a Roof Rack and mount a spare wheel on it!

As has been said many times, I think Toyota slipped up here. Despite the usual "techno/innovation marketing hype", car makers are usually a conservative bunch under the skin, so I'm really surprised Toyota let themselves in for this one. It will be interesting to see if they change anything with model face lifts, though I expect not. Also, as has been said before, I have the nasty feeling run flats are going to get slowly more common.

Sometimes, IMHO, progress isn't (or at least get the infrastructure in place first to deal with it).

Cheers

[sywy]

The problem (well one of them!!) is that no on eis equipped to deal with the Bridgestone runflats, except the dealers. And Kingo's answer above only suggests that that is still the case. Toyota cannot force the independents to but these 2 machines, that costs £1000's each, like they can with the dealers. So, I can't see any of the independents taking this on, unless Bridgestone tries to force them to.

[druand]

You are just endorsing what i said when i started a thread in December 2006. Run flats might be O.K. if you are city user but if you are like me who is miles away from a Toyota dealer and uses car OFF road almost every weekend its not so clever.

Still have 4.2 XTR and 2007 CRV. Run flat was part of decision to try CRV. Just hope situation improves shortly as Rav due for change soon and there is nothing in class to match T180.

P.S. For those of you who slag the looks of C-- take a good look at thread on " challenger to Rav" and look at photo of what would appear to be a new/facelift Rav for 2008. Am i wrong or is it looking like a C-- from the front!!!

[Fujisan]

Also, as has been said before, I have the nasty feeling run flats are going to get slowly more common.

Sometimes, IMHO, progress isn't (or at least get the infrastructure in place first to deal with it).

Cheers

Sadly I think you're right, we will slowly see more and more cars fitted run-flats as manufactures look for ways to shed weight, free up space, etc.

So, I can't see any of the independents taking this on, unless Bridgestone tries to force them to.

Highly unlikely unless other car manufacturer start fitting the same run-flat system. :(

[Fujisan]

P.S. For those of you who slag the looks of C-- take a good look at thread on " challenger to Rav" and look at photo of what would appear to be a new/facelift Rav for 2008. Am i wrong or is it looking like a C-- from the front!!!

This one? The Toyota Vanguard?

Umm.................don't really see it myself

PS For a second thought about putting up a comparison picture.............but then remembered the lads are always watching ..............

[Parts-King]

There is no new RAV for 2008, or in fact any other car from Toyota, apart from the V8 Landcruiser, you MAY get a facelift model but a facelift usually involves re-shaped lights/trim etc

Kingo

[sywy]

Still have 4.2 XTR and 2007 CRV. Run flat was part of decision to try CRV. Just hope situation improves shortly as Rav due for change soon and there is nothing in class to match T180.

VW Tiguan TDI 170PS Sport? Available some time next year?

[shcm]

VW Tiguan TDI 170PS Sport? Available some time next year?

Yeah, very nice, but give veedub at least 12 months production to get any remaining major bugs out of it. :D.

In fact, the rule of thumb I use for myself, is give any vehicle manufacturer at least 12 to 18 months in production with a new model before buying one. (Kingo will love me for saying that ).

The customer is the ultimate test bed :P and I personally don't have the need or desire to be the first to have the latest and greatest (and buggiest) model :P :D.

[Manxrav]

Still have 4.2 XTR and 2007 CRV. Run flat was part of decision to try CRV. Just hope situation improves shortly as Rav due for change soon and there is nothing in class to match T180.

VW Tiguan TDI 170PS Sport? Available some time next year?

Simon-youve sused our next motor!! trouble is it,s not out till later in 2008.Have already got the brochure sent out from the UK.

Clare

[KEGS]

:censor:

Kegs,

I think the dealers are getting confused. You can replace the tyre only, if it's any help, I've been quoted £145 + VAT for 1 tyre.... (try not to spit your drink onto your computer ) There would, I imagine, be a service charge to fit them as well!

Instead of Children in Need, maybe we could have "Rav 4 T180 owners in need of a new tyre in need" :D

Have had 2 new tyres put on and the price was £693.60 incl. VAT :ffs: Not spitting my drink. I am spitting BLOOD. That was for 2 tyres and rubber rings plus fitting. Tyres are too expensive and tyre repair and replacement geographical cover is laughable. Dealer knows little about them and Toyota certainy have kept us well in the dark. Time for an e-mail to Toyota UK. :censor: :ffs: :censor:

[KEGS]

Wot a shower o winghers. When the RAV came oot in the UK in 1994, the only tyre available at the size was a Dunlop at £200 !!!! Then the steel wheels bent if ye hit a chucky in the road.....

Nae choice. Nae alternative.

Nuthing.

So Mr T is well used tae fleecing customers.

The same happened wi the Previa in the same year. £200 a tyre

An ahm talking 1994 - 13 years ago!!!

Little wunner I changed alloys tae non T an got a better range of tyres....and of course noo ahm running 18" alloys, its getting as difficult to choose a tyre as it is tae pick a pizza frae the supermarket.

Changed days eh?? Specially when the cost has plummeted.

This is one T180 owner that won't be back to the Toyota fold, no matter how well the car drives...

RAVS are no jist fur Christmas Campaign

[sywy]

Have had 2 new tyres put on and the price was £693.60 incl. VAT :ffs: Not spitting my drink. I am spitting BLOOD. That was for 2 tyres and rubber rings plus fitting. Tyres are too expensive and tyre repair and replacement geographical cover is laughable. Dealer knows little about them and Toyota certainy have kept us well in the dark. Time for an e-mail to Toyota UK. :censor: :ffs: :censor:

:o :censor:

I'm guessing you needed 2 new tyres because of wear? Or you were very unlucky to get 2 punctures at the same time!!

Why did you need 2 rings? How were they damaged?

[duncerduncs]

Have had 2 new tyres put on and the price was £693.60 incl. VAT :ffs: Not spitting my drink. I am spitting BLOOD. That was for 2 tyres and rubber rings plus fitting. Tyres are too expensive and tyre repair and replacement geographical cover is laughable. Dealer knows little about them and Toyota certainy have kept us well in the dark. Time for an e-mail to Toyota UK. :censor: :ffs: :censor:

Kegs,

I've just had 2 new tyres and 1 support ring fitted for £513 inc VAT. That worked out at £200 per tyre (inc VAT & fitting) and £113 inc VAT for the support ring. There is some debate as to how the support ring was damaged (still ongoing), but I would say you've been over charged by about £60 (do you have a brake down of the costs?).