How Secure Is An Auris.

[Armz]

Hey guys.

Don't usually venture out from the T-sport section much, but have a question regarding the new Auris and how secure they are from thieves.

Basically my sister has a hire Ford Focus until her brand new company Auris is delivered.

Well last weekend she parked her hire ford in an underground private carpark at her boyfriends flat. Within a few hours it had been broken into. But a very clean job by her words, as i haven't seen it yet. She says nothing was broken, nothing damaged, they may have placed a metal bar down the side door and jimmied it open. Didn't think it was still possible to do this to newer cars. She had her electric gate keyfob stolen for her underground parking (not her boyfriends electric gates). And that was it, they rooted around the entire car looking for things, but all they took was a keyfob. She doesn't leave anything out in the open, she takes everything with her from the car when she leaves. So it's just a PITA.

My question is, how easy is it to get into a Auris, does the jimmy trick work?

My T-sport has deadbolts, i'm wondering if the Auris has them aswell, as it could end up very expensive and very inconvenient to have your car broken into as if they have keys. I doubt insurance will even want to pay out if there is no damage to the car. I'm glad atleast the garage has CCTV so insurance company can see the proof, but if the scallywag has a hoodie on then there will be no one to catch. No one answerable.

What is everyones else's experience with Auris and security. Does it have deadbolts? How easy is it to gain entry to the car using non conventional methods, i.e not breaking a window or any other damage?

Hopefully any information shared here will help Auris owners better secure their cars or speak to dealers regarding better locks or deadbolts if not already on.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

Armz.

P.s i understand it's a rather delicate subject, so if people don't want to post any security issues in public, feel free to PM me instead. I want to use this information to better protect my sister and her property aswell as maybe my T-sport if there are vulnerabilities shared between models.

[Jinxed]

put simply its likely to be as secure as any car....

If someone wants it then theyre going to have it.

TBH I kinda wonder if people are better having slightly less secure cars as at least then the thieves wont target the people that have keys directly therefore turning a car theft into a muggingor a burgalry etc

[Kev Mc]

It's more secure than a standard Mk4 Golf, put it that way

<taps nose>

[Parts-King]

Some Auris have alarms, I think I'm right in saying they all have central locking with double locks (will check that tomorrow) To be honest with you, very few cars are broken into by this method these days. Cars now are difficult to steal, so it's easier to break into your house and steal the keys! Most theives on the street are opportunist and would put a brick through the window to steal a bag off the seat, they don't normally do that on the off chance that there "might" be something to steal from the car. I havnt seen any Auris yet, at the dealership, that have been broken into

Kingo

[Armz]

Thanks for the replies. It's true, if they want it they will have it, so there is no stopping them popping a window out. What baffles me is how is it possible to jimmy an 07 ford focus with not a single scratch. The car was empty. Why break into an empty car unless it's as easy as turning a key or some other 5second way?.

Is it possible that they gained entry for the hell of it as they had some sort of 'master' key?. I know xmas holidays have started for most schools already so most probably kids with nothing better to do.

Next answer for me to find out is how they gained entry to the secure gated underground garage, unless it wasn't kids and probably a very dodgy neighbour whom has access to the garage.

I just want to make sure that the Auris she gets isn't going to be a target from day one, and if it is then how to find a way to protect from these type of entries.

Parts-King: Many thanks, as always you seem to pop up with the best answers. lol! If you can check the double lock situation i would be greatful. Also any news on the silencer?

Cheers

Armz.

[Aldridge Andy]

To be honest I'm surprised you mentiond a Ford Focus, they are a particularly tricky "nut to crack". There used to be a way in, but it certainly wasn't through the door area, but more down to a little electrical trick.

Ford has certainly prided itself on security since the early 1990's and the "Chubb Locking System" on the then new Granada.

You'll also find that the Focus would of had double locking if the lock button on the keyfob had been pressed twice within five seconds. This procecure is pretty common and applicable to the current Auris.

I hate to say this, but if it was between a Focus and a Auris I know which one I'd but at keeping the theives at bay longest. Sorry Toyota!

[OldSkoO1]

The Auris does has the deadbolt thing you mentioned

I always double lock (press lock twice) my car and have done with all the toyotas i've had, have.

Dead bolting it they would have to smash a window to get in as deadbolt tries to prevents big bar jamming door open and when window is smashed alarm will sound and immobilizer will lock ignition so no wire tricks.

T180 has an alarm and keyless entry so imagine its hard to drive off with. Radio is integrated and lets face it, unless you leave a laptop, wallet or money on show what scally is likely to want to steel a toyota. Its hardly an R32 :)

One of the reasons i bought it over something like a GTI, ST or Type-R.

[dbroms]

Just to add a question on security, sorry to hijack thread , IF , someone jumped into my car at the lights and told me to get out and i had the key transponder in my pocket, if they drove off would the engine shut down when out of range ?

[beowulf]

Next answer for me to find out is how they gained entry to the secure gated underground garage, unless it wasn't kids and probably a very dodgy neighbour whom has access to the garage.

I just want to make sure that the Auris she gets isn't going to be a target from day one, and if it is then how to find a way to protect from these type of entries.

Curious, my Peugeot 106 got broken into last week and like you, I don't know how they got into the underground garage (has a digital lock and a remote). I had bought a Blankpunkt MP3 CD player to hear audiobooks commuting to work and it didn't last a week (got sloppy).

In my case the door was so damaged it didn't open and had to be fixed.

I'm interested in this topic as I'm thinking about buying an Auris and I sometimes wonder if it's best to just leave cars unlocked (I've had doogs damaged several times.. and that's when they're nto so incompetent that they just break the glass).

Plus, regarding theft of the car itself... I also wonder how safe the immoblizer is...

[Parts-King]

They do have double locking

The brochure also says "Added security- The Auris' security system withstands the insurance industries rigorous five-minute attack test and provides excellent protection, both the alarm system and engine immobiliser are approved by Europe's major insurance companies"

Hope this helps

Kingo

[Armz]

Next answer for me to find out is how they gained entry to the secure gated underground garage, unless it wasn't kids and probably a very dodgy neighbour whom has access to the garage.

I just want to make sure that the Auris she gets isn't going to be a target from day one, and if it is then how to find a way to protect from these type of entries.

Curious, my Peugeot 106 got broken into last week and like you, I don't know how they got into the underground garage (has a digital lock and a remote). I had bought a Blankpunkt MP3 CD player to hear audiobooks commuting to work and it didn't last a week (got sloppy).

In my case the door was so damaged it didn't open and had to be fixed.

I'm interested in this topic as I'm thinking about buying an Auris and I sometimes wonder if it's best to just leave cars unlocked (I've had doogs damaged several times.. and that's when they're nto so incompetent that they just break the glass).

Plus, regarding theft of the car itself... I also wonder how safe the immoblizer is...

My pug 106 was broken into way back in 2002 aswell, more like attempted break-in. I was walking up to my car about 60m away when i saw a guy with his bike on the ground stooping by my passenger door. The scallywag had stuck a screwdriver into the side of the lock barrel into the door skin and was trying to pull the entire lock out i think. By the time i ran up to the car he's jumped onto his bike and made his way down a narrow alleyway. If i'd have turned up any sooner he would have taken whatever little was in the car, nothing on show. All in the boot though. So pug's offer no security at all, the doors are paper thin.

Ford's and Toyotas on the other hand i thought were supposed to be good, not as good as say mercedes, bmw etc but still good.

I remember seeing a program a good number of years ago, i think it may have been 5th Gear when they had around 10 or so of the most popular new cars and had a reformed break-in specialist actually test getting into them all. I think he managed all makes in less than 15 seconds, while most he did in 5seconds or less using the jimmy bar trick. That made manufacturers rethink about the vulnerabilities, but maybe so much time has passed things have got relaxed again?

They tested the steering lock devices aswell, those were very easy to disarm too. The tester didn't hot-wire start any of the cars or drive them away as i don't think it would have been wise to show everything on tv.

Cheers

Armz.

[Ogee]

Just to add a question on security, sorry to hijack thread , IF , someone jumped into my car at the lights and told me to get out and i had the key transponder in my pocket, if they drove off would the engine shut down when out of range ?

No I dont think so. Certainly on the Prius, which has the same system, you could leave the car active and walk off with the key. I did this once (had to lock the car by reaching into the car with key in hand, and press the door lock, then quickly use the auto window close to close the window, key in hand), when I had an animal in the car in 37C heat at a port. Aircon on, the prius started up when the power got low and the aircon kept running. We were in sight of the car in a cafe at the time.

In the event of a car jack its better to hit the off knob as you jump out if you get time, and run like F..k ;) Better still, keep the doors locked in a risky area.

[moonstone mart]

Hey guys.

Don't usually venture out from the T-sport section much, but have a question regarding the new Auris and how secure they are from thieves.

Basically my sister has a hire Ford Focus until her brand new company Auris is delivered.

Well last weekend she parked her hire ford in an underground private carpark at her boyfriends flat. Within a few hours it had been broken into. But a very clean job by her words, as i haven't seen it yet. She says nothing was broken, nothing damaged, they may have placed a metal bar down the side door and jimmied it open. Didn't think it was still possible to do this to newer cars. She had her electric gate keyfob stolen for her underground parking (not her boyfriends electric gates). And that was it, they rooted around the entire car looking for things, but all they took was a keyfob. She doesn't leave anything out in the open, she takes everything with her from the car when she leaves. So it's just a PITA.

My question is, how easy is it to get into a Auris, does the jimmy trick work?

My T-sport has deadbolts, i'm wondering if the Auris has them aswell, as it could end up very expensive and very inconvenient to have your car broken into as if they have keys. I doubt insurance will even want to pay out if there is no damage to the car. I'm glad atleast the garage has CCTV so insurance company can see the proof, but if the scallywag has a hoodie on then there will be no one to catch. No one answerable.

What is everyones else's experience with Auris and security. Does it have deadbolts? How easy is it to gain entry to the car using non conventional methods, i.e not breaking a window or any other damage?

Hopefully any information shared here will help Auris owners better secure their cars or speak to dealers regarding better locks or deadbolts if not already on.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

Armz.

P.s i understand it's a rather delicate subject, so if people don't want to post any security issues in public, feel free to PM me instead. I want to use this information to better protect my sister and her property aswell as maybe my T-sport if there are vulnerabilities shared between models.

Im Pretty sure that all Auris have double locking (deadlocks) but i may be wrong.

Also if there was no damage to the car/door. Is she DEFINATELY sure she locked it in the first place?

Does the CCTV show the person messing about with any equipment?

Mart.

[Parts-King]

Im Pretty sure that all Auris have double locking (deadlocks)

They do.................and I used mine for the first time today!

Kingo

[tdleon]

Morning, Ive just read the owners manual re Deadlocks, It states that Auris's fitted with deadlocks are identified by stickers on the front side wimdows, there not on mine or on any others at my two local dealerships

[Parts-King]

Press the door lock button on the key twice, that deadlocks the doors

KIngo

[G6-R]

Press the door lock button on the key twice, that deadlocks the doors

KIngo

What do you mean with deadlocks ??????where is it good for ??

[Parts-King]

Here is an explaination of deadlocking

Deadlocking is a security device which enables the car to be locked in a way that the door can't be opened from inside or outside the car without disengaging the deadlock first.

If a car thief therefore wants into you car they have to climb in through a window and out the same way as the doors will not open without the correct opening procedure with the proper key or remote.

Kingo

[tdleon]

Hi Been reading some info on the Thatcham web site. Deadlocks disable the internal door releases, so someone smashing the windows cant open the doors. So I tried it, without smashing the glass, turned off the alarm sensors and left one of the rear windows open, press the lock on the key fob once and then trid to oprn the door with the internal release. The lever was disenged and the door would not open. tried the same thing again but pressing lock twice on remote and got the same result, hence I think deadlocks work with one press just like all the other cars Ive had :)

[Parts-King]

I got the information off a pre-launch spec sheet, maybe it was changed to just one press for production models, however, you normally get the option to either lock (1 press) or engage deadlocks (2 presses) Not everybody likes the idea of deadlocks, but maybe the option was removed, I will try and find out further info

Kingo

[auris2008]

I got the information off a pre-launch spec sheet, maybe it was changed to just one press for production models, however, you normally get the option to either lock (1 press) or engage deadlocks (2 presses) Not everybody likes the idea of deadlocks, but maybe the option was removed, I will try and find out further info

Kingo

hi

I try to get the "deadlocks" in my Auris - but it's work :(

I did "1 press" = nothing. later i did "2 press " but still nothing - the driver's door open freely.

Can it be that in some auris's models they disable this mode?

[Parts-King]

Maybe your countries specification does not have this feature? Check with your countries local supplier to find out

Kingo

[JohnCarberry]

Yeah, I'd say it is country dependant. Mine doesn't seem to have it either, among other features the UK and mainland Europe seem to get that aren't in this country.

[Parts-King]

Way back in time.........Oh no I hear you cry :D:

Before Toyota built cars in the UK, Ireland always took lower spec'd cars, I think at the time, cars were much more expensive over there, was it a tax issue? I can't remember now, but anyway, they always had XL models, or I models, basically they had a lot less gadgets and gizmo's and the trim was a lower spec. As you are all aware, a basic car is built, but then individual countries decide what extras they require, IE: Alarms, central locking, ABS, leather trim, Air Con, etc. The UK has always had a very high spec, but in other countries, some parts of the spec available are not important, so they may be able to buy the car at a lower price with a lower spec. I would think this might have something to do with not having double locks as standard

Kingo

[Parts-King]

After faffing about for a week or so, I remembered to check my Auris double lock feature

With the drivers window down, press once to lock, locks the doors, reach in and you can open the door from inside

Press twice, the door locks, reach in and you cant open the door from the inside

Double locking in action :D:

Kingo