4d4 Starting Problem

[mickboy]

Hi guys....Had my Rav for a month its a 02 4D4 done 68,000. Starting it cold no problem, starting at normal running temperature it sounds like the Battery is flat, wait until it cools down and it starts no problem. The Battery has been replaced but makes no difference. Reading past post's it seems likely a starter change is on the way...any further thoughts...Very pleased apart from that...To really cheer up other members its got 5 doors as well.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY :)

[anchorman]

If you are saying that the cranking speed is faster when cold it sounds like the windings are going down in the starter. You must start by drop testing the Battery. Most Battery and spares shops should have one and your local garage certainly should. To check the windings in the starter you connect a volt meter accross the Battery terminals and crank the engine. It should not drop below 9.6V. Do the test hot and cold as a comparison.

Good luck and all the best.

[BigBaz]

My 05 XT5 with only 25k on the clock had a starting problem not long after I bought it, Toyota said it would be easier just to replace the Battery and starter under warranty rather than try and diagnose a fault with either. They did just that and not had a problem since. They did however diagnose a 'Lazy Starter' ?

Sounds like my son !

Happy Xmas

[bothwell_buyer]

Hello Hampshire man.

It's obvious to those "in the know" that you need 5 doors to be able to transport the horses around the various gymkhanii

At this time of year, its such a bgr when the car won't work...properly. If it's as white and as cold this Christmas day down there as it is up here, you won't have any problems hot startig - well not with the RAV anyway!!

I'd go down the track of the starter first, but the young RAV throws me a bit as I'd expect the starter itself to last a whole lot longer. young anchormans suggestion is a very good 'start' if you see what I mean (somebody sent me 128 English dictionaries printed in India!) (well thats where they speak perfect English?). Maybe the starter works harder with the diesel.

In the old days, I'd have felt that the timing was off causing the engine to fight against the starter, but I suppose with the modern diesel and ECU systems, this just shouldn't happen.

You may have a specialist who deals with just starters and alternators - we have up here in our area - a small team of wizards in Bellshill (the 3rd cheapest town in the UK to buy a house and also the place where Warburtons the bread people suffered a murder following a dispute over an extended fag break! These guys diagnose a fault, and can whip it out in seconds (the starter) and have a reconditioned one back in a flash. (Electricity - flash - get it? Oh forget it - I've been watching Ken Dodd).

My goodness -its cold enough up here tae freeze yer haggis! Let us know hoo ye get oan.

[Fujisan]

Welcome to the TOC Mick

Hope you get your starter sorted soon ;)

(And thank you for voting in the "what toyota do you drive", within your first couple of post's )

[anchorman]

Hello Hampshire man.

It's obvious to those "in the know" that you need 5 doors to be able to transport the horses around the various gymkhanii

At this time of year, its such a bgr when the car won't work...properly. If it's as white and as cold this Christmas day down there as it is up here, you won't have any problems hot startig - well not with the RAV anyway!!

I'd go down the track of the starter first, but the young RAV throws me a bit as I'd expect the starter itself to last a whole lot longer. young anchormans suggestion is a very good 'start' if you see what I mean (somebody sent me 128 English dictionaries printed in India!) (well thats where they speak perfect English?). Maybe the starter works harder with the diesel.

In the old days, I'd have felt that the timing was off causing the engine to fight against the starter, but I suppose with the modern diesel and ECU systems, this just shouldn't happen.

You may have a specialist who deals with just starters and alternators - we have up here in our area - a small team of wizards in Bellshill (the 3rd cheapest town in the UK to buy a house and also the place where Warburtons the bread people suffered a murder following a dispute over an extended !Removed! break! These guys diagnose a fault, and can whip it out in seconds (the starter) and have a reconditioned one back in a flash. (Electricity - flash - get it? Oh forget it - I've been watching Ken Dodd).

My goodness -its cold enough up here tae freeze yer haggis! Let us know hoo ye get oan.

I'm convinced you are related to Borat. And just because I'm sure you are dying to know, it has been warm and wet down here. You see the wall was fitted with draught excluders to keep the arctic winter out.

[bothwell_buyer]

Dear englanders sooth o the watyford gap.

As far as we ken up here the hole o Heathrow is in tunrmoil due to fog causing planes to miss the slipways.

Dampness causes havoc wi cars etc as weel.

Ye'll find by removing the draught excluder's, it will enhance the drying ability within the RAV engine compartment which is hardly waterproof.

Cuid it be that the starter is in a position of wetness atraction. or even the alternator. I know nothing about late versions of RAVs although I have a lot of experience of late versions of diesel generators and massive metal halide lights.

Up here in sunny West of scotland, we have little trouble with dampness or rain, despite whit sum may say. Leaves on the road - nae mair.

Still think, that ootside o the starter being bgrd; an electrical fault is a possibility. Its trying to relate the heat with the problem. AsI tried to say before, in the old days we would have looked at pre-combustion. Are you using good quality diesel or sticking to to supermarket stuff? The latter is ok if you keep mixing it with better known oils like Shell etc. There is a difference.

With ma petrol jobby, i only use Shell Optimax, but then i have a close friend who worked in the petrol industry and what she told me was enuf tae sway ma chioce frae cheap stuff tae ithers. Costs me more but then the Toyota RAV engines are generally highre spec, unles ye go fur wan o Jeremy Clarksons famous Toyotas that run on high octane milk.

[bothwell_buyer]

Sorry.

I forgot to mention that we swapped the alternator position to be right at the top of the engine. well out of the way of spray/water/deep puddle splash.

RAV batteries don't last all that long - well 4.1 versions don't. depending on what I'm doing i carry an emergency Battery starter pack.

My goodness. My 500th post!! Beginning to feel esteemed. Aye right! 4.1s are for purists. An nobody purees a soup better than me!

[mickboy]

Hi Guys...Now that the Yule Tide festivities are over I've managed to wade through the knee deep horse manure to get to me 5 door to do a volt drop check across the Battery. Although being in mild sunny south the first start of the day is no problem, the Battery voltage was 12.6v and on start dropped to 10.6v... then went for a spin around the country estate err down to the tip with the christmas rubbish...left the engine running..8 mile round trip..tried a restart no go... checked the voltage drop...on starter engagement 10.6 then dropped to 8.4v with the Battery sounding flat... now looking around for a starter.

To all those north of the Border have have good Hogamythingy tossing the Haggis or what ever you do...

Happy New Year Mick

[bothwell_buyer]

Hi Guys...Now that the Yule Tide festivities are over I've managed to wade through the knee deep horse manure to get to me 5 door to do a volt drop check across the battery. Although being in mild sunny south the first start of the day is no problem, the battery voltage was 12.6v and on start dropped to 10.6v... then went for a spin around the country estate err down to the tip with the christmas rubbish...left the engine running..8 mile round trip..tried a restart no go... checked the voltage drop...on starter engagement 10.6 then dropped to 8.4v with the battery sounding flat... now looking around for a starter.

To all those north of the Border have have good Hogamythingy tossing the Haggis or what ever you do...

Happy New Year Mick

Mick

get the alternator output checked out and the starter current demand measured. Yer Battery has a current rating. 8 miles is not very far to re-charge the Battery

[anchorman]

To follow bothys advice, keep the voltmeter on the Battery and start the engine. With it running at about 1500 rpm the voltmeter should go up to 14 or 15 volts - if it does it is OK.

That reading of 8.4v while cranking definitely points to the starter and you can go ahead and get one with confidence.

Regards

[mickboy]

Hi Guys...... Just to update starting problem, have now changed the starter motor (relatively simple job once the air filter assy is removed) and starting from hot and cold now o.k. Thanks for the advise..... :D

[bothwell_buyer]

Hi Guys...... Just to update starting problem, have now changed the starter motor (relatively simple job once the air filter assy is removed) and starting from hot and cold now o.k. Thanks for the advise..... :D

Well done and great that yer on the move again!!